WE can get rid of HACKERS.
I said ( WE ), not CF and his staff alone.But how ? Will YOU fully participate ? Finally will Z8 accept to go through that proposal ?
Here is the Idea:
1 : Z8 Must put a section where we can post Videos subject to a serious report .This means that anyone who want to report a hacker, MUST post the video to that section first. Then we can watch it and vote as a reportable one or not ( this will avoid those Fake reports which I suppose cause a huge problem to those concern about banning people ).
2: Z8 Must give us a software to be able to watch with ALL the options ( FWD. RWD. Pause . Cut ). With this we can watch the video quickly then cut and save only the part where the Hack action is flagrant .It`s only that part that will be sent to the vote section.The video will need above 3/4 positive votes before it reach the ban section.
3: Z8 will receive few reports with 99% of a real hack report .Z8 will have the final decision on the BAN or NOT. But they will need also to give us feedback like in the past on a ban list.
4: Z8 must also give serious infractions penalty to those who use that section abusively with fake reports. This will avoid an overload of that section.
5: Z8 must make a GUIDE for it and explain in full details of how to use that new system even put the software there so that all may get it easily.
With a system like this I think that people will think 10 times before they hack . and also avoid useless fake reports .They will have less work to do and will have PLENTY of time to do a real good work for CF community.
If you think that this is a good idea , then back it up and let us hope that Z8 may one day ( not in 2 years time ) give us that possibility .
I could have elaborate this proposal far more in details but It would have been too long and would get boring to read.
The debate is open .:)
Here is the Idea:
1 : Z8 Must put a section where we can post Videos subject to a serious report .This means that anyone who want to report a hacker, MUST post the video to that section first. Then we can watch it and vote as a reportable one or not ( this will avoid those Fake reports which I suppose cause a huge problem to those concern about banning people ).
2: Z8 Must give us a software to be able to watch with ALL the options ( FWD. RWD. Pause . Cut ). With this we can watch the video quickly then cut and save only the part where the Hack action is flagrant .It`s only that part that will be sent to the vote section.The video will need above 3/4 positive votes before it reach the ban section.
3: Z8 will receive few reports with 99% of a real hack report .Z8 will have the final decision on the BAN or NOT. But they will need also to give us feedback like in the past on a ban list.
4: Z8 must also give serious infractions penalty to those who use that section abusively with fake reports. This will avoid an overload of that section.
5: Z8 must make a GUIDE for it and explain in full details of how to use that new system even put the software there so that all may get it easily.
With a system like this I think that people will think 10 times before they hack . and also avoid useless fake reports .They will have less work to do and will have PLENTY of time to do a real good work for CF community.
If you think that this is a good idea , then back it up and let us hope that Z8 may one day ( not in 2 years time ) give us that possibility .
I could have elaborate this proposal far more in details but It would have been too long and would get boring to read.
The debate is open .:)
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I don't think you realize how many hacker reports are sent per day. It's a rediculous amount I'm sure. That and hackers rarely use high level accounts nowadays. They aren't losing much from an account ban or even an IP ban because they can just change their IP. Making this process a reality would be like starting a download to increase your ping, counter-productive.
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im sorry to say it but we cant get rid of hacker...
there is million and they keep making account back
but we can get much less hacker
If there's a million and we can't ban them, then just IP ban their public IP. Although over in their country (hacking capital of the world) it's very advocated among players of this game. -
GhostsBuster wrote: »I said ( WE ), not CF and his staff alone.But how ? Will YOU fully participate ? Finally will Z8 accept to go through that proposal ?
Here is the Idea:
1 : Z8 Must put a section where we can post Videos subject to a serious report .This means that anyone who want to report a hacker, MUST post the video to that section first. Then we can watch it and vote as a reportable one or not ( this will avoid those Fake reports which I suppose cause a huge problem to those concern about banning people ).
2: Z8 Must give us a software to be able to watch with ALL the options ( FWD. RWD. Pause . Cut ). With this we can watch the video quickly then cut and save only the part where the Hack action is flagrant .It`s only that part that will be sent to the vote section.The video will need above 3/4 positive votes before it reach the ban section.
3: Z8 will receive few reports with 99% of a real hack report .Z8 will have the final decision on the BAN or NOT. But they will need also to give us feedback like in the past on a ban list.
4: Z8 must also give serious infractions penalty to those who use that section abusively with fake reports. This will avoid an overload of that section.
5: Z8 must make a GUIDE for it and explain in full details of how to use that new system even put the software there so that all may get it easily.
With a system like this I think that people will think 10 times before they hack . and also avoid useless fake reports .They will have less work to do and will have PLENTY of time to do a real good work for CF community.
If you think that this is a good idea , then back it up and let us hope that Z8 may one day ( not in 2 years time ) give us that possibility .
I could have elaborate this proposal far more in details but It would have been too long and would get boring to read.
The debate is open .:)
1) That would go against the rule of posting hackusations publicly, this does not need to be done, it creates more work than needed, for both the staff and players. This would take more time then needed as well. It already takes long enough for a player to get banned, adding this would take even more time, since the final decision on if someone hacks is a staff's opinion.
2)Z8? Try SmileGate, the developers of the game. Functions like this have been pushed by G4Box, yet we are still waiting for them from SmileGate.
3) The ban list took to much time and effort to keep up and was unnecessary, let me ask you what is more important, banning hackers quicker, or knowing if someone is when you can check via their profile.
4) That is not totally thought out. For one, some people just don't know someone doesn't hack, and they truly believe good players hack. Should we really punish those who are unknowledged about this? No. And telling the difference between a troll doing it, and someone who just doesn't know isn't always that easy. With a new section would come the trolls. It just isn't as simple as you regular forumers see.
5) http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=89077 The system as of now is fine. It was created because people weren't being clear enough and not giving the information needed, with this system we have now, it ensures that the correct information is provided. -
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I remember that one day American sprayed a whole island with DDT I think with the hope they would irradiate Mosquitoes for ever on that island ( it was a test to see whether they could expand later on ) But they discover that DDT leads to Cancer and the mosquitoes were still there . LOLim sorry to say it but we cant get rid of hacker...
there is million and they keep making account back
but we can get much less hacker
But are you still being eaten by mosquitoes like in the jungle ? The answer is NO and you feel at home in your house lol .
I mean by that , we will feel at home on CF with the idea if people are positive to it . and you don`t give me the feeling that your a positive person.:( -
If there's a million and we can't ban them, then just IP ban their public IP. Although over in their country (hacking capital of the world) it's very advocated among players of this game.
they just has to change ip --'masterdragoo wrote: »this is the only game i play that has trouble with hackers and they might do it if we each paid them £500 for the softwear
HAHAHAHAAH are u crazy? maplestory,combatarms,callofduty,warrock,wolfenstein,
there is million game and all of them as hacker -
If I was not aware of the huge flow of reports ( fake and true ) I WOULD HAVE LOSE MY TIME WRITING THIS THREAD.;)I don't think you realize how many hacker reports are sent per day. It's a rediculous amount I'm sure. That and hackers rarely use high level accounts nowadays. They aren't losing much from an account ban or even an IP ban because they can just change their IP. Making this process a reality would be like starting a download to increase your ping, counter-productive. -
they just has to change ip --'
HAHAHAHAAH are u crazy? maplestory,combatarms,callofduty,warrock,wolfenstein,
there is million game and all of them as hacker
When you ban their Public IP address (not using the technical term) ; they have to go to their ISP and get it changed. I doubt after having to constantly contact someone multiple times will they try to get banned again, or the ISP may not comply anymore (Basically tell them their S.O.L).
Maplestory- is childish, combat arms- is fail (temp guns), COD- fail multiplayer (great single player), Warrock- Rex summed this up, Wolfenstein- Never heard of it. nuff said.If you ever get a chance, go on WarRock. Then compare the hacking situation to ours.
Yea... WarRock also has explosives and other things that would ruin a game. meh. -
If you ever get a chance, go on WarRock. Then compare the hacking situation to ours.
I've played Warrock for only 2 days, I didn't see some hackers, but I get kinda suspicious when I get killed very fast, the easiest way to kill is to prone then shoot or just plain rush. -
its still a game u know. u said its the only game who has problem with hacker
maplestory,combatarms,callofduty,warrock,wolfenstein
are still game with hacker...
i dont know a game that doesnt have hackerSengchanhX wrote: »I've played Warrock for only 2 days, I didn't see some hackers, but I get kinda suspicious when I get killed very fast, the easiest way to kill is to prone then shoot or just plain rush.
lol u are lucky because
each game u go there is a flying guy that drop million of grenade reallly fast
the prenium is free when u get a good coder -
That would go against the rule of posting hackusations publicly, this does not need to be done, it creates more work than needed, for both the staff and players. This would take more time then needed as well. It already takes long enough for a player to get banned, adding this would take even more time, since the final decision on if someone hacks is a staff's opinion.1) That would go against the rule of posting hackusations publicly, this does not need to be done, it creates more work than needed, for both the staff and players. This would take more time then needed as well. It already takes long enough for a player to get banned, adding this would take even more time, since the final decision on if someone hacks is a staff's opinion.
2)Z8? Try SmileGate, the developers of the game. Functions like this have been pushed by G4Box, yet we are still waiting for them from SmileGate.
3) The ban list took to much time and effort to keep up and was unnecessary, let me ask you what is more important, banning hackers quicker, or knowing if someone is when you can check via their profile.
4) That is not totally thought out. For one, some people just don't know someone doesn't hack, and they truly believe good players hack. Should we really punish those who are unknowledged about this? No. And telling the difference between a troll doing it, and someone who just doesn't know isn't always that easy. With a new section would come the trolls. It just isn't as simple as you regular forumers see.
5) http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=89077 The system as of now is fine. It was created because people weren't being clear enough and not giving the information needed, with this system we have now, it ensures that the correct information is provided.
No you are wrong about that . This rule protect the hackers . So long hackers names are kept secret they find themselves at ease .
It will never take more time for the staff to ban them , cause we would have done all the big work of treating the video ( WE means all those who would like to play this role ) . This will also make all the legit players gain back their noble title of being a skilled player and not seen as a hacker .
Trolling has and will always be same as hackers . But I see really less trolls now on the forum . They less because of the new way of treating them on the forum .
5) http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=89077 The system as of now is fine. It was created because people weren't being clear enough and not giving the information needed, with this system we have now, it ensures that the correct information is provided.
No this system is not perfect . IT does not say to someone in the guide how to watch a replay and " watching the replay as the way it is now make people avoid watching it to see if it worth a report". then they just send many useless reports that make you guys there getting mad with the overflow.
ALL information I see there is how to send a report . That`s all.
In my proposal I am talking about A REAL GUIDE. -
Laziness is all I fear .But I am sure CF community are not 100% made of .its a good idea, but lazyness might get over it. not many peoples feel like watching replays over and over, let alone i doubt there is more people that will watch one atleast once per day then their will be reports. its a good thing to try though. -
just had a clan war with ROM-USA sad thing is they are ranked 87 and yet all 3 of them hacked one was a silver bar and a LT of the clan Lemeu07, sad to see the state of this game right now as a so called top team hacks
EDIT: did report let see if they get banned il check in a few weeks -
This was not the place for your post .It has nothing to do with what I am talking aboutjust had a clan war with ROM-USA sad thing is they are ranked 87 and yet all 3 of them hacked one was a silver bar and a LT of the clan Lemeu07, sad to see the state of this game right now as a so called top team hacks
EDIT: did report let see if they get banned il check in a few weeks -
GhostsBuster wrote: »That would go against the rule of posting hackusations publicly, this does not need to be done, it creates more work than needed, for both the staff and players. This would take more time then needed as well. It already takes long enough for a player to get banned, adding this would take even more time, since the final decision on if someone hacks is a staff's opinion.
No you are wrong about that . This rule protect the hackers . So long hackers names are kept secret they find themselves at ease .
It will never take more time for the staff to ban them , cause we would have done all the big work of treating the video ( WE means all those who would like to play this role ) . This will also make all the legit players gain back their noble title of being a skilled player and not seen as a hacker .
Trolling has and will always be same as hackers . But I see really less trolls now on the forum . They less because of the new way of treating them on the forum .
5) http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=89077 The system as of now is fine. It was created because people weren't being clear enough and not giving the information needed, with this system we have now, it ensures that the correct information is provided.
No this system is not perfect . IT does not say to someone in the guide how to watch a replay and " watching the replay as the way it is now make people avoid watching it to see if it worth a report". then they just send many useless reports that make you guys there getting mad with the overflow.
ALL information I see there is how to send a report . That`s all.
In my proposal I am talking about A REAL GUIDE.
Really, protecting the hackers? If they hack, they know they risk being caught, others knowing their name makes no difference, if one person sees them hacking, they can get banned right then. The reason we have this rule is because it is unnecessary for all people to post their hackusations, it adds spam to the boards, trollers, people defending themselves, it bring unwanted fights.
And having players decide will just take extra time of the community, no matter what, the report STILL has to go through the same process of a Staff member receiving it and checking it over for all plausibilities. Meaning the players just wasted their time looking over it when a staff member still has to do the same thing.
A guide can be player made, why must G4Box themselves do it? The system is straightforward, and if you can read english, then you can report. -
I was talking about implementing the guide in the Hack report space and no players can do that.Really, protecting the hackers? If they hack, they know they risk being caught, others knowing their name makes no difference, if one person sees them hacking, they can get banned right then. The reason we have this rule is because it is unnecessary for all people to post their hackusations, it adds spam to the boards, trollers, people defending themselves, it bring unwanted fights.
And having players decide will just take extra time of the community, no matter what, the report STILL has to go through the same process of a Staff member receiving it and checking it over for all plausibilities. Meaning the players just wasted their time looking over it when a staff member still has to do the same thing.
A guide can be player made, why must G4Box themselves do it? The system is straightforward, and if you can read english, then you can report.
People must be aware of how to do the report like it should be and be also aware of what they can get as infraction if they make fake reports .
the first time I went there I saw how it is sooooooooooooo easy to use it . But when I think of how hard it is to check the replay and how long if takes me going through it back if I missed some action that can be a real evidence , then I got bored .
YOUR system is not good . This is why you have too many fake reports ." do not take bad , but it`s the truth "
So simple to see it . Easy to report but hard to go through real evidence by any player . lol , So the player send the sh...t to you and your begin to smell bad and you give up too .
MY proposal is intended to point finger to you but IT~S A EFFORT ON MY PART TO SHOW MY WILLING TO GIVE A HAND TO YOU AND IF OTHERS WANT TO FOLLOW IT WOULD BE A GREAT TEAM OR COMMUNITY WORK -
KingstarKB wrote: »Z8 would do something if everyone quit buying ZP for 3~7 months.:p
The problem is, even though there are hackers rich kids keep on buying ZP to try and win something from the "Amazing X-mas Crates".
Seriously this would work,
All Z8 cares about is money,br's are their cash cows -
The issue is that many hackers are not getting banned at all. Without a banned list we do not know if the GM are doing thier jobs. I gave up on reporting hackers because even though I gave all the information, provided replays, Most hackers were still playing 2 weeks later. Great confidence in the ability of the GM to handle it. I think that the Staff should have the final say in a ban, but the gamers should have a better way of adding comments, supporting other players who have made reports, add followup information. I assume that the reporting system is an automated system, tracking the name of the accused hacker, the name(s) of the reporting players. Why not base a public system on 10 reports by 10 different users within 3 days. If tha is the case, post the name of the hacker in a public forum, allow any player to vote one time yes or no, is this a hacker. Based on the number of yes or no, the staff have a very good idea if infact the person is cheating. people that are falsely accused would have few if any yes votes. it basically eliminates huge numbers of reports. As for amount of work, if the reports are stored in a data base, any good sql/web designer could crank out a automatic system in a few hours.
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No point in this " you contradict yourselves both of you "TrolololololLOL wrote: »Seriously this would work,
All Z8 cares about is money,br's are their cash cows
Stating that Rich and BRs ( the cash Cows ) will be enough to support Z8 with the ZPs." so it will not work if all stop buying ZP , as you are in a way stating that the rich + BRs = the majority of cash flow through ZPz to Z8.:o -
Lol I have got a supporter . Thanks XD . Now let us hope that some more like you and me come to back up the ideas.The issue is that many hackers are not getting banned at all. Without a banned list we do not know if the GM are doing thier jobs. I gave up on reporting hackers because even though I gave all the information, provided replays, Most hackers were still playing 2 weeks later. Great confidence in the ability of the GM to handle it. I think that the Staff should have the final say in a ban, but the gamers should have a better way of adding comments, supporting other players who have made reports, add followup information. I assume that the reporting system is an automated system, tracking the name of the accused hacker, the name(s) of the reporting players. Why not base a public system on 10 reports by 10 different users within 3 days. If tha is the case, post the name of the hacker in a public forum, allow any player to vote one time yes or no, is this a hacker. Based on the number of yes or no, the staff have a very good idea if infact the person is cheating. people that are falsely accused would have few if any yes votes. it basically eliminates huge numbers of reports. As for amount of work, if the reports are stored in a data base, any good sql/web designer could crank out a automatic system in a few hours.
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