[Intelligent Discussions] Initiative
Hello, some of you may know me, some of you may not. It’s not that it really matters though. In response to the, “lack of activity” from me, I have decided to come back start making these intelligent threads just as many have done before. You may say, I am doing my own series of threads that promote intelligent discussions and hard thinking. I’ve been wanting to do this ever since our very own [MOD] Polleus has done. These threads won’t be a daily implementation, but I will have some threads.
Just to clarify, if you guys think that I am “copying” Polleus, or that I am trying “way too hard to be a mod” (some critique that I have received from many forumers after posting my threads) you guys really should look at the big picture. I am making these threads in order to help the forums become a regular gaming forum, to an intelligent, nurturing, and promoting community or even a family. If you do not share these same ideas, but instead want to think in a negative manner, just don’t read this. Post a “cool story bro” or a “tl;dr” and show your lack of intelligence. Just remember, I called this before anything actually happened.
This is a series of threads. These threads are really not “informative threads”, I prefer to call them “discussion threads”. If you don’t know proper English (which pertains to proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation), there are many websites that can help. I also know, from my past experience and from my research, that some internet browsers such as Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome, have spell-check, grammar-check, and punctuation-check built into them. If not, here are some helpful links:
Just to be clear, I bump the latest one every now and then until it becomes clear that nobody has anything new to contribute.
Well, without furthur ado, here is my thread that I bring to you today!
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Initiative [Intelligent Discussion #4]
Topic: Is initiative a plus or a minus to the community in your opinion? Do you think that it leads to unnecessary competition and the fact that it leads to misunderstandings, miscommunication, and misconception of prejudice.
Obviously, taking the time to do something is amazing. I mean, who doesn’t love somebody who does something good, just because? Evidently, being a person with initiative must actually take a whole lot of self discipline, ability to control oneself, and the independence to do something. I personally think that being a person of initiative is a great honour, but it’s not my opinion that you guys will most likely dwell by. What I think, is that it has it’s upsides and it’s downsides.
Popular internet sites say that initiative, while being something can’t be achieved overnight, is something that one must practice and practice, while perfecting, because obviously, practice makes perfect.
Sometimes, initiative brings along the competitive side in others. One person sees somebody doing something, and, to make themselves feel better by trying to beat the other. Face it, many people are competitive, and just want to be the best. I, myself, have been a victim of this before. We’re all humans, we’re not all perfect. We’ll all have our wings and a halo one day, but for now, we have to be a regular human.
Prejudice is also a human characteristic that has plagued our generation and those before us. We, as humans, have never gotten over the fact that others can be deep, and can’t be just judged from what their outer core says about themselves. When somebody takes initiative, many people step up to the plate and be judging. Obviously, because that person is a girl, she must be terrible a shooter game. Same thing here, obviously, because this person does something to help the community. He or she must be a try hard, and should be confined to their little space.
Just like in the old times, “BURN THE WITCH!”, we’re judging others because of what they do. Though this doesn’t prove initiative wrong on the person with initiative, it is a bad contribution to society and the community as a whole.
But, just as anything, downsides open up new doors. When one person shows initiative, it’s a positive growth for the community. Also, it proves that there is a bit of good left in the world and that people still want to help out. The person may influentially change another, and just as any other good deed, a chain reaction may start.
So, why not be the first? Be initiatively positive. Make the change, be the change, be the one pink shirt in a thousand black shirts.
SirHi
Just to clarify, if you guys think that I am “copying” Polleus, or that I am trying “way too hard to be a mod” (some critique that I have received from many forumers after posting my threads) you guys really should look at the big picture. I am making these threads in order to help the forums become a regular gaming forum, to an intelligent, nurturing, and promoting community or even a family. If you do not share these same ideas, but instead want to think in a negative manner, just don’t read this. Post a “cool story bro” or a “tl;dr” and show your lack of intelligence. Just remember, I called this before anything actually happened.
This is a series of threads. These threads are really not “informative threads”, I prefer to call them “discussion threads”. If you don’t know proper English (which pertains to proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation), there are many websites that can help. I also know, from my past experience and from my research, that some internet browsers such as Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome, have spell-check, grammar-check, and punctuation-check built into them. If not, here are some helpful links:
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Just to be clear, I bump the latest one every now and then until it becomes clear that nobody has anything new to contribute.
Well, without furthur ado, here is my thread that I bring to you today!
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Initiative [Intelligent Discussion #4]
Topic: Is initiative a plus or a minus to the community in your opinion? Do you think that it leads to unnecessary competition and the fact that it leads to misunderstandings, miscommunication, and misconception of prejudice.
Obviously, taking the time to do something is amazing. I mean, who doesn’t love somebody who does something good, just because? Evidently, being a person with initiative must actually take a whole lot of self discipline, ability to control oneself, and the independence to do something. I personally think that being a person of initiative is a great honour, but it’s not my opinion that you guys will most likely dwell by. What I think, is that it has it’s upsides and it’s downsides.
Popular internet sites say that initiative, while being something can’t be achieved overnight, is something that one must practice and practice, while perfecting, because obviously, practice makes perfect.
Sometimes, initiative brings along the competitive side in others. One person sees somebody doing something, and, to make themselves feel better by trying to beat the other. Face it, many people are competitive, and just want to be the best. I, myself, have been a victim of this before. We’re all humans, we’re not all perfect. We’ll all have our wings and a halo one day, but for now, we have to be a regular human.
Prejudice is also a human characteristic that has plagued our generation and those before us. We, as humans, have never gotten over the fact that others can be deep, and can’t be just judged from what their outer core says about themselves. When somebody takes initiative, many people step up to the plate and be judging. Obviously, because that person is a girl, she must be terrible a shooter game. Same thing here, obviously, because this person does something to help the community. He or she must be a try hard, and should be confined to their little space.
Just like in the old times, “BURN THE WITCH!”, we’re judging others because of what they do. Though this doesn’t prove initiative wrong on the person with initiative, it is a bad contribution to society and the community as a whole.
But, just as anything, downsides open up new doors. When one person shows initiative, it’s a positive growth for the community. Also, it proves that there is a bit of good left in the world and that people still want to help out. The person may influentially change another, and just as any other good deed, a chain reaction may start.
So, why not be the first? Be initiatively positive. Make the change, be the change, be the one pink shirt in a thousand black shirts.
SirHi
Comments
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Initiatives are good. If others see it as a "competition" then they didn't really did it thinking on others but on themselves. They simply want to reach somewhere but not to teach/entertain others, and so they feel unconfortable with similar initiatives from others.
A real entertainer could really careless about competition. Overall everyone wants the same. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Well it's good to care about what people think. It makes you human
But, it's also good to not let the stupid ones get to you.
at times*
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Also, initiative shows a well being for society and it also helps others see the necessity of stepping up to the plate and not just cruising with the crowd all of the time. -
Another excellent read Hi
Taking initiative though is a lot of times hard.
Most people take initiative judging by the way they feel about the issue.
This may be a mistake by their side. In my opinion initiative should be developed through mistakes by taking initiatives.Only this way you can be sure whether you should take it or not
In most cases initiative shows that you are not like sheep who follow the crowd even at death. Most times also initiative shows agood leadership ability. Leaders have the "talent" to take initiative by judging if it could work or not.
Taking Initiative seperates you from others and can be character building.It can also show bravery because you are not sure if it can work or not.
All in all, initiative is a coin with 2 sides. It can make you the best or it can make you look like the worst on everyone elses eyes!
Congratulations Hi once more because you try hard to bring intelligence at that coomunity in which 6/10 threads are QQing about hacks or bugs or even negative threads (z8 does nothing,they care only about money etc) -
Topic: Is initiative a plus or a minus to the community in your opinion? Do you think that it leads to unnecessary competition and the fact that it leads to misunderstandings, miscommunication, and misconception of prejudice.
I've seen others take the initiative but their threads constantly result in mass trolling; TL;DRs and cool stories. Initiative is a plus for any community however it is unfortunate that the audience it was intended for doesn't always appreciate its content.
The reason we don't have as many productive threads or discussion is probably because of the difference in ages.
You, Hi, would be a good example of how one persons initiative to better the community is misinterpreted as someone who is trying too hard to become a moderator. Anyways... not all moderators post such discussion or post intelligent posts every now and then.
I've taken the initiative on other forums where the age groups on forums were more 18-25+ and there, although we have our occasional trollings, even the trolls/normals manage to contribute to discussions of happenings and changes within the game and offer thanks for information. Here competition is a norm while some do it (post) for themselves and others do it for the community. TL;DR isn't as common because everyone likes to post walls to prove how much more intelligent they are in comparison to the last poster. I.E everyone is pulling out a thesaurus.
Competition, in my opinion... means you're doing something right (but ofc someone thinks they can do better, no prob)
TL;DR: Forum is similar to /b/ and not many care. Barracks isn't living up to what it should be.
good read, ty. -
FaytlAttraction wrote: »I've seen others take the initiative but their threads constantly result in mass trolling; TL;DRs and cool stories. Initiative is a plus for any community however it is unfortunate that the audience it was intended for doesn't always appreciate its content.
The reason we don't have as many productive threads or discussion is probably because of the difference in ages.
You, Hi, would be a good example of how one persons initiative to better the community is misinterpreted as someone who is trying too hard to become a moderator. Anyways... not all moderators post such discussion or post intelligent posts every now and then.
I've taken the initiative on other forums where the age groups on forums were more 18-25+ and there, although we have our occasional trollings, even the trolls/normals manage to contribute to discussions of happenings and changes within the game and offer thanks for information. Here competition is a norm while some do it (post) for themselves and others do it for the community. TL;DR isn't as common because everyone likes to post walls to prove how much more intelligent they are in comparison to the last poster. I.E everyone is pulling out a thesaurus.
Competition, in my opinion... means you're doing something right (but ofc someone thinks they can do better, no prob)
TL;DR: Forum is similar to /b/ and not many care. Barracks isn't living up to what it should be.
good read, ty.
You actually say that physical age is something completely different to mental age aka maturity. Trolling and misunderstanding is sure when you take initiative -
This communtity, despite what others may say, needs more people who are willing to have more positive initiatives which might be like having classes to make people a better player, maybe ways to positively communicate with people who can't speak english well, etc. So yea, having initiative ,if more of the positive then the negative, would be better for us all.
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May this be considered as ( initiative ) by you ?
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=114069
There an objective targeted in this thread ,Look where it has ended and see if any Mod showed some interest in it .
People here care more about reading and post in threads , such as : Blalala BR threads . OH will Cf run like it should be with my new Pc. ( the pc he show may be better that the one used by the NASA.Hahahaah . Hi guys , look at my arsenal . Is my KDR good ? Etc. Etc.Etc.
Yes man we lack badly those kind of threads and even those funny ones " even if it seems too sexy for the community " A healthy community NEEDS entertainments above all .
Good thread . I am sure that it took you some time to prepare it . Hope you will get some result from it XD -
dRENNERRRR wrote: »Fay...Remember me?
OT: Yes, you're very memorable.
wb?GhostsBuster wrote: »May this be considered as ( initiative ) by you ?
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=114069
There an objective targeted in this thread ,Look where it has ended and see if any Mod showed some interest in it .
People here care more about reading and post in threads , such as : Blalala BR threads . OH will Cf run like it should be with my new Pc. ( the pc he show may be better that the one used by the NASA.Hahahaah . Hi guys , look at my arsenal . Is my KDR good ? Etc. Etc.Etc.
Yes man we lack badly those kind of threads and even those funny ones " even if it seems too sexy for the community " A healthy community NEEDS entertainments above all .
Good thread . I am sure that it took you some time to prepare it . Hope you will get some result from it XD
Which is fine... it's alright to have some of those threads because they can lead to things.
Such as on the topic of your thread and this one's (to prevent thread hijacking) z8 has taken the initiative to bring more people to forums through Saidin's Urban Warfare. I don't see any initiative in the thread.. I see a suggestion. -
The fact of writing a thread is a heroic initiative on this forum ( Doing something without being told to do it is an initiative .) I to the initiative took to make some suggestions and was expecting that there would be some participation from the community and the Mods . But who cared ? You ? Mods Mr. X ? Suggestions normally lead to constructive discussion which may lead to a positive result or to a negative one if it is not supported as it should be .FaytlAttraction wrote: »OT: Yes, you're very memorable.
wb?
Which is fine... it's alright to have some of those threads because they can lead to things.
Such as on the topic of your thread and this one's (to prevent thread hijacking) z8 has taken the initiative to bring more people to forums through Saidin's Urban Warfare. I don't see any initiative in the thread.. I see a suggestion.
What is initiative for you ? Is it when you decide one day that you will get the kick system out of the game to prevent unfair kick which is 3times greater than the hackers kick ? How will you do it ? will you invent a system then implement it in the game on your own ? Or will you have to come here on the forum then begin by some suggestion then shut your mouth if they don`t care about what you brought to them?
May be I am too noob to understand the meaning of Initiative . I would be soooooooo glad if you could explain to me what does this word means in a more clear way? " you know , the way you need to explain things to Noobs " Can you please do that for me ? Thanks in advance.:) -
An easier way to understand initiative would be: to act/take action in doing something; That something would make a change.
Example: If you wanted to take the initiative in bringing more players to forums one way would be to make a macro: "visit forum.z8games.com".
I suppose that my interpretation of the word may be different than that of others. However suggestion and initiative are two different things - suggestion is simply the idea and initiative is the idea becoming real. -
GhostsBuster wrote: »The fact of writing a thread is a heroic initiative on this forum ( Doing something without being told to do it is an initiative .) I to the initiative took to make some suggestions and was expecting that there would be some participation from the community and the Mods . But who cared ? You ? Mods Mr. X ? Suggestions normally lead to constructive discussion which may lead to a positive result or to a negative one if it is not supported as it should be .
What is initiative for you ? Is it when you decide one day that you will get the kick system out of the game to prevent unfair kick which is 3times greater than the hackers kick ? How will you do it ? will you invent a system then implement it in the game on your own ? Or will you have to come here on the forum then begin by some suggestion then shut your mouth if they don`t care about what you brought to them?
May be I am too noob to understand the meaning of Initiative . I would be soooooooo glad if you could explain to me what does this word means in a more clear way? " you know , the way you need to explain things to Noobs " Can you please do that for me ? Thanks in advance.:)
GhostBuster has a point.
I see no huge point in this thread. Why dont you do something great with your influence and help us make a ping cap server or a in game hacking report. Heck, why dont you ask for a different gun.
Most of us here dont find this thread to be "life changing" or even "enticing" to any of our interest. Please, either help the cause, or get off. -
So you mean that writing something is not an act ?FaytlAttraction wrote: »An easier way to understand initiative would be: to act/take action in doing something; That something would make a change.
Example: If you wanted to take the initiative in bringing more players to forums one way would be to make a macro: "visit forum.z8games.com".
I suppose that my interpretation of the word may be different than that of others. However suggestion and initiative are two different things - suggestion is simply the idea and initiative is the idea becoming real.
"visit forum.z8games.com". Who will care ?what change do you really thing will bring ?
"visit forum.z8games.com will give you some ZP" . This will bring plenty of people to the forum , and this will make the chance." unfortunately I don`t have the ZP to give to them , neither you have got them , But Z8 do .
You can take the initiative to bring something to reality when you have what you need to realize it by your own way .If not you can only suggest . The act of suggesting is an initiative taken to make something possible .
Any way you won`t understand and I am probably losing my time . -
I'm getting this MAD vibe.
You asked a question as to whether or not your thread was "initiative". I gave you my opinion, that I didn't consider YOUR post as "taking initiative". Get over the fact that I disagree and you didn't get the reaction that you wanted.
& I did state:I suppose that my interpretation of the word may be different than that of others.
/replying to you because I don't want to go off-topic anymore than I already have. -
EmmFhoarAwon wrote: »You would be taking the initiative by making a TL;DR version.
Well, the simple response is that you should take the initiative to read a few paragraphs. It'll help you in the future to practice a bit of reading.
I've seen a few good responses, particular a few going for initiative.
I personally think that, because initiative can have ups and downs, it's all in the eyes of the judge. If you think somebody is taking it over the limit, it's your perspective, not the other persons, and everybody deserves their own say in any given situation. -
Actually when you take initiative and the things get over the limit not only the one who had taken the initiative in the beginning but also the others that followed him should take another initiative and stop.Well, the simple response is that you should take the initiative to read a few paragraphs. It'll help you in the future to practice a bit of reading.
I've seen a few good responses, particular a few going for initiative.
I personally think that, because initiative can have ups and downs, it's all in the eyes of the judge. If you think somebody is taking it over the limit, it's your perspective, not the other persons, and everybody deserves their own say in any given situation.
Even following the crowd can be called initiative.But this initiative affects only yourself and not others.You have to choose between two:taking initiative or follow the crowd.Even then ,when following the crowd,you take initiative to do so. So you always take initiative want it or not.Taking initiative is not an option. -
Reading through, this is my problem with your post.
Throughout the entire "post" you seem to run in circles ending up no where. At first you seem to state that with initiative comes good and bad. Here I can agree and see merit, however from here you digress into a state of rose covered glasses and seem to mindlessly believe that initiative is always good.
While of course there are arguments that can and could be made for initiative always being good/right nothing you state points to it at all. Unless that is what your witch burning analogy thing was suppose to be... (quite unsure of what your message was there).
Regardless my response, I see initiative as both good and evil. Or for those less inclined towards semi-religious terms right and wrong (for those that wish to nit pick about the difference it hardly matters for these forums). However I will make one thing clear, with initiative intent AND result matter. I see many posts that have good intention however they are often being posted by individuals too young to understand the fall out that could occur. The problem is the blind leading the blind leads to a nation of lemmings. While I do love lemmings and often enjoyed watching legions fall to their pixel doom there are certain problems with having the blind lead the blind in reality. -
Reading through, this is my problem with your post.
Throughout the entire "post" you seem to run in circles ending up no where. At first you seem to state that with initiative comes good and bad. Here I can agree and see merit, however from here you digress into a state of rose covered glasses and seem to mindlessly believe that initiative is always good.
I was trying to give a bit of insight on both sides. Sorry for not being clear, this Christmas season has been really hectic. I haven't been sleeping a full 7 hours for the past week or so.
Initiative can be good when it is interpreted with a positive action of mind. If both sides of the party, the original person taking the initiative and the people who are actually reading and taking into consideration the initiative that has been shown to, believe that it's a positive thing, then initiative there has been a success, or it can be deemed as a decent attempt at making the community better.
For example, I make a guide, and others say, "Good guide, thanks for making it, it will help out others a lot!" Obviously, the responder(s), and I have done something positive as I'm happy that I contributed and they are happy for having the guide.
But, when I make a guide, and others say, "Terrible guide, stop making them." They're negatively influencing the thread maker either based on a biased idea or because of a lack of something [for instance, intelligence or common sense].
Sometimes, a forumer sees another forumer making a thread, and in turn he wants to make his own thread. Seeing this, the first forumer makes a larger and more extensive thread. Though the board is seeing this as a positive contribution [more active and contributive threads], both players see it as a competition. They aren't doing it because they want to and it's in their interest of mind and time, they're doing it because they want to prove that they are better than another person or people.lClypher wrote:While of course there are arguments that can and could be made for initiative always being good/right nothing you state points to it at all. Unless that is what your witch burning analogy thing was suppose to be... (quite unsure of what your message was there).
My message with the "burn the witch" analogy was supposed to outline the fact that some people misinterpret and just plain can't see the message when somebody shows initiative. Due to the fact that many people are prejudice on this forum [I prefer to not name any names] many people usually see the fact that this person is showing initiative, he must be going for mod or he must be trying to get brownie points with the staff.
Just as Polleus stated:Polleus wrote:OT: Good read as always. People will flame you regardless. Just take the hits and roll with it
They aren't just going to randomly respect you because you showed initiative. There will always be immature players, there's nothing we can do to stop it at all.lClypher wrote:Regardless my response, I see initiative as both good and evil. Or for those less inclined towards semi-religious terms right and wrong (for those that wish to nit pick about the difference it hardly matters for these forums). However I will make one thing clear, with initiative intent AND result matter. I see many posts that have good intention however they are often being posted by individuals too young to understand the fall out that could occur. The problem is the blind leading the blind leads to a nation of lemmings. While I do love lemmings and often enjoyed watching legions fall to their pixel doom there are certain problems with having the blind lead the blind in reality.
I agree, there are much to many young players with big egos that just have turned immature because the size of their heads is larger then the size of their own bodies. Immaturity is something that humankind has been guilty pertaining back to probably the stone ages.
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