This community.
to start this off, i just want to say that the shape of this community is getting worse and worse. i'm not talking about the foreigners, or the people that call you a hack, but the more popular part of the community. the more popular people seem to be more competitive than the casual players.
this being said, i've seen so many trolls in my "career" of playing this game. i mean, people get great achievements in pubs and others flame them saying that pubs don't matter. even IF pubs don't matter, its not easy for some of the NON-competitive people to get some of those scores. these people do not play this game often enough to be good enough to play in leagues.
another thing i see often is people getting flamed for using certain guns and characters. just because wogl does not allow it and the competitive people don't like it, IT GIVES THEM NO RIGHT to flame other people for using it. the choice is the user's, not the people who don't want that gun in the game. some of you buy a m4 over an ak, and that choice is yours. some people buy scar light over m4 because the choice is THEIRS.
one thing that saddened me was that i saw a person SWEAR because they had posted a screenshot with a good score and they had a scar light picked up. this person SWORE to not using it in that round and just picking it up because they needed a gun. if people have to insult others for using a certain gun, and that insulting drives the user to a point where they have to SWEAR to not using the gun, i don't think these people who flame should be allowed to play.
for my football team, i can only participate in games if i have good behavior and grades in class. a similar concept can be applied to wogl. if there was a ranking system on the forums for the number of infractions, bans, etc. a person received, it could benefit the competitive community as well as casual players. for example, if a person had over three bans, they wouldn't be allowed to participate in matches for a given time. this sounds stupid, but i'm just throwing things out there. this is a concept which can be applied.
tl;dr version: too much flaming is making people swear to god.
case in point: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=112408
person got trolled for trying to announce on their personal best score.
this being said, i've seen so many trolls in my "career" of playing this game. i mean, people get great achievements in pubs and others flame them saying that pubs don't matter. even IF pubs don't matter, its not easy for some of the NON-competitive people to get some of those scores. these people do not play this game often enough to be good enough to play in leagues.
another thing i see often is people getting flamed for using certain guns and characters. just because wogl does not allow it and the competitive people don't like it, IT GIVES THEM NO RIGHT to flame other people for using it. the choice is the user's, not the people who don't want that gun in the game. some of you buy a m4 over an ak, and that choice is yours. some people buy scar light over m4 because the choice is THEIRS.
one thing that saddened me was that i saw a person SWEAR because they had posted a screenshot with a good score and they had a scar light picked up. this person SWORE to not using it in that round and just picking it up because they needed a gun. if people have to insult others for using a certain gun, and that insulting drives the user to a point where they have to SWEAR to not using the gun, i don't think these people who flame should be allowed to play.
for my football team, i can only participate in games if i have good behavior and grades in class. a similar concept can be applied to wogl. if there was a ranking system on the forums for the number of infractions, bans, etc. a person received, it could benefit the competitive community as well as casual players. for example, if a person had over three bans, they wouldn't be allowed to participate in matches for a given time. this sounds stupid, but i'm just throwing things out there. this is a concept which can be applied.
tl;dr version: too much flaming is making people swear to god.
case in point: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=112408
person got trolled for trying to announce on their personal best score.
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Non of the people you speak of are "competitive" players, they are what I call echo-8 stars.
i don't care who they are. echo 8 seems to be the most competitive channel in this game, so it seems like those people are competitive. otherwise, they wouldn't be playing in that channel random;y, as it stays empty most of the time, and casual players are attracted to the more occupied servers. -
i don't care who they are. echo 8 seems to be the most competitive channel in this game, so it seems like those people are competitive. otherwise, they wouldn't be playing in that channel random;y, as it stays empty most of the time, and casual players are attracted to the more occupied servers.
Echo 8 is a pub server, it's full 80% of the time. -
Echo 8 is a pub server, it's full 80% of the time.
your facts are wrong, or you're just popping out a random number out there. as it seems, this channel is less than half full unless there is an event, or its the weekend when most people can get on. -
you do have a point, although i admit i troll when the person is beging for it. or i make peoples troll me when im bored
(the m12 treadh.)
as of the comunity, its not so bad if you think of it as a big joke. then you can have a lolz, but ye, it sure isn't inviting to new players. -
you do have a point, although i admit i troll when the person is beging for it. or i make peoples troll me when im bored (the m12 treadh.)
as of the comunity, its not so bad if you think of it as a big joke. then you can have a lolz, but ye, it sure isn't inviting to new players.
another point i wanted to make. what if you were a new player to crossfire, you pop onto the forums to say hi, and all your responses consist of, "don't use scar light, m12s, spop, star, etc." that is so not inviting to a new player. maybe they saw the scar light or whatever and thought, when i reach that rank i'll buy it. they eventually buy it and get flamed for using it. that doesn't seem fair, because if the game offers it, the user has every right to buy it and use it. -
that is a thin with the sl and new players. in a rpg, its normal to save up your money and level for a higher level item if you know its comming. for most peoples they see the scar l as a high level weapon and obiously, save up for it. although i must admit it is incredebly frustrating seing an army of peoples with sl and m12 spraying it up.another point i wanted to make. what if you were a new player to crossfire, you pop onto the forums to say hi, and all your responses consist of, "don't use scar light, m12s, spop, star, etc." that is so not inviting to a new player. maybe they saw the scar light or whatever and thought, when i reach that rank i'll buy it. they eventually buy it and get flamed for using it. that doesn't seem fair, because if the game offers it, the user has every right to buy it and use it. -
that is a thin with the sl and new players. in a rpg, its normal to save up your money and level for a higher level item if you know its comming. for most peoples they see the scar l as a high level weapon and obiously, save up for it. although i must admit it is incredebly frustrating seing an army of peoples with sl and m12 spraying it up.
and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but the way this community acts, they scare new players away from trying to get the scar light. -
your facts are wrong, or you're just popping out a random number out there. as it seems, this channel is less than half full unless there is an event, or its the weekend when most people can get on.i don't care who they are. echo 8 seems to be the most competitive channel in this game, so it seems like those people are competitive. otherwise, they wouldn't be playing in that channel random;y, as it stays empty most of the time, and casual players are attracted to the more occupied servers.
a) There are under 30 people in this game who can be called competitive players. Echo 8 is the channel that "teams" use to scrim. This does not mean they are competitive players.
b) There is a difference between the competitive community and the competitive wannabes. Understand that.
c) It is normally over half full on the times that matter. -
i personaly always recomend the m4 to new players due to it being easy to control but still hard enought so you can learn the basic of controling a gun. i wont tell them not to buy the sl but i will sure as hell recemend them not toand there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but the way this community acts, they scare new players away from trying to get the scar light.
although tbh the sl is a bit flammed over for nothing, its easy to use but its not op, just plain easy. ( it used to be op before the nerf though, and it seem evre1 forgot it got nerfed.) -
a) There are under 30 people in this game who can be called competitive players. Echo 8 is the channel that "teams" use to scrim. This does not mean they are competitive players.
b) There is a difference between the competitive community and the competitive wannabes. Understand that.
c) It is normally over half full on the times that matter.
a. what i meant to sat is that those players are a bit more competitive than your average casual player.
b. the competitive community and competitive "wannabes" are both more competitive than your average casual gamer.
c. what exactly are times that matter? events such as wogl matches, drafts, and such? if so, then my point was that the channel is less than half full when these events are not occurring. -
b) There is a difference between the competitive community and the competitive wannabes. Understand that.
You seem to be forgetting what competitive means. If a team is playing for the competition, they are by definition a competitive team. Any team playing in WOGL is playing for the competition, thus making them a competitive team. Just because they don't have the same mindset as you towards competitive gaming does not mean they are not competitive. Theres no such thing as a 'competitive wannabe' because if they wanted to be competitive, they would compete. It's as simple as that. -
I agree somewhat, but there are flaws, most WOGL players, P, for example, are actually pretty mature. I know because I've played in that league. Players like moch, BloodyFire, KimKyung, doop, and MRN are intelligent somewhat, and very mature. They care about their e-Sports careers.
I agree with the Echo 8 statement, but the players there are either players looking for scrims, or Echo 8 wanna - bes. -
I agree somewhat, but there are flaws, most WOGL players, P, for example, are actually pretty mature. I know because I've played in that league. Players like moch, BloodyFire, KimKyung, doop, and MRN are intelligent somewhat, and very mature. They care about their e-Sports careers.
I agree with the Echo 8 statement, but the players there are either players looking for scrims, or Echo 8 wanna - bes.
sure, those players are mature and intelligent. out of how many 'P' teams? shouldn't there be a bit more? pretty sure that if the most intelligent people consist of five people, that's not good. -
sure, those players are mature and intelligent. out of how many 'P' teams?
I was using examples. I really can't name any players who are immature in WOGL P. I'd say the most obnoxious or somewhat "annoying" players are from my team, which is why we broke up.
I can name one player from each team in WOGL P who I respect / know is mature. -
I was using examples. I really can't name any players who are immature in WOGL P. I'd say the most obnoxious or somewhat "annoying" players are from my team, which is why we broke up.
I can name one player from each team in WOGL P who I respect / know is mature.
yeah, i get your point. but look at the 'O' teams. so many people are disrespectful. like i said in the original post, they shouldn't be allowed to play with those attitudes. -
yeah, i get your point. but look at the 'O' teams. so many people are disrespectful. like i said in the original post, they shouldn't be allowed to play with those attitudes.
Definitely, this is because anybody can join WOGL O. There aren't any restrictions.
If there were, it wouldn't be WOGL "Open", it would be WOGL "Invite". -
Definitely, this is because anybody can join WOGL O. There aren't any restrictions.
If there were, it wouldn't be WOGL "Open", it would be WOGL "Invite".
yes, i realize what you mean. but i suggested implementing something that would change it from wogl "invite" to applying to wogl with the correct requirements. for example, if there was a system that measured every person's behavior, such as how many bans or infractions they got, wogl could use that as a tool to see which teams would be allowed in the league. i think this would also cut back on all of the forfeits going on, because if only responsible people were allowed in the league, they would responsible enough to make it to their match. -
You seem to be forgetting what competitive means. If a team is playing for the competition, they are by definition a competitive team. Any team playing in WOGL is playing for the competition, thus making them a competitive team. Just because they don't have the same mindset as you towards competitive gaming does not mean they are not competitive. Theres no such thing as a 'competitive wannabe' because if they wanted to be competitive, they would compete. It's as simple as that.
I should have defined it better.
My definition of a competitive player is not only one who competes, but one who nourishes competition. -
yes, i realize what you mean. but i suggested implementing something that would change it from wogl "invite" to applying to wogl with the correct requirements. for example, if there was a system that measured every person's behavior, such as how many bans or infractions they got, wogl could use that as a tool to see which teams would be allowed in the league. i think this would also cut back on all of the forfeits going on, because if only responsible people were allowed in the league, they would responsible enough to make it to their match.
If only "responsible?" teams were allowed in there would be no league. -
It's because there are only 6 decent+ teams in this game atm...that's about it.
okay, look. if only responsible teams were allowed into wogl, more teams would try to be more responsible. this is so because most of the teams are competing right now because of the prizes. if they were not allowed anymore, they would try to be more responsible to be able to compete for the prizes. this is how it works in humanity.
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