GSG-9 uh... take a look

Actually, the GSG is African-German.

This belongs in the Suggestions forum, but I actually think it's a good idea. Personalized characters are actually a very good idea.

SexyPollo wrote: »

Remember if its not on other version it will not come here

We can still cross our fingers and hope the developers will move out from under their rocks and look at some of our reasonable, good suggestion.

I love how, whenever a thread involving the GSG9 comes up, the OP always states "I'm not racist" :rolleyes:

I think a black character should have been used for SASFB (South African Special Forces Brigade). It'd make sense too, since most other continents excluding Africa are represented in this game.


Just make sure it's not these guys:

SirHi wrote: »

Actually, Z8 has a say in what's put in. If it makes sense, such as fixing a drop bug, nerfing a weapon, buffing a weapon, or something about it, it will be implemented.

Z8Games does have a say, they just only do that once in a while because the developers know what's up.

I'd say it's a good idea, and that we could get it.

There been good suggestions about implements in the game and I haven't seen any since last year. And I didn't meant like that, I was talking in the way to make a new Character Customization system for the game will be a big patch and not a small bug fixes. Will it happen? Nope, unless you see it in other version already implemented. It still is a good suggestion. You got my point bro

All they need to do is let you choose skin color when you purchase the character. Would make everybody happy.

Pengjiaming wrote: »

Get a Free AK with the character? and it's a deal!

AK-Knife

CookieMunzta wrote: »

I heard this too.

Guess that's why Saidin was kinda pee'd, a few patches back (S.T.A.R. patch), when he said there'd be something for the competitive community, only for the Devs to change it at the last minute.

Exactly.....

However this should also be common sense, Z8Games is only the publisher, they don't own the game.

oreAero wrote: »

AK-Knife

how many crates did it take him to get that.. sigh.

oreAero wrote: »

All they need to do is let you choose skin color when you purchase the character. Would make everybody happy.

When a company designs and develops a game they create something called a design document.

A feature like this would go through a ton of design iterations and questions before deciding on whether to implement it. For example, if the goal was to get people playing in the game as fast as possible with as little clicks as possible then they might avoid this.

Another reason why something like this might be skipped over is technology.

Color shifting textures is not something that older engines or programs are designed for. When you see a modern game switch the color of your glove from red to white to green you are shifting the color information on the texture, usually stored in a material file. Often times things like shading, material definition etc stay the same. It's a fairly basic concept for modern engines. Cross Fire was designed at the heart for gameplay and compatibility. So at the start of the design, a feature like this may get put to the side.

Not to mention that an older engine's ability to shift the colors might require the need to include multiple texture files for one asset. Which increases the total size of the game client and might further reduce its accessibility. Texture files and sound files tend to be the largest files any game engine handles.

Suffice to say, that having a system where you can change, on the fly, the color of the player skin (which only shows up in the smallest of places on the character model) is unlikely at this point in time of the development of the game. It would require the developers to spend major amounts of coding time to recode how the initial aspect of the game works. Which in turn might throw off the goals or design principles that were laid out at the start of the design process.


This being said, there is nothing wrong with the suggestion. But the focus of the original design was decided that new content would be created rather than changing the face color of the characters that you see.

Hopefully this can give some insights to those who don't know a lot about game design. And how a suggestion like this, while valid, is unlikely going to make it into the game in a reasonable amount of time. No one in the world is going to be able to deliver ground breaking coding changes every patch. The game would end up with a ton more bugs than it seems to have. Not to mention if they spent 3 months making a system that changed your skin color from green to red and delivered a patch with only that, we would be inundated with people who would say "this patch is horrible". As made true by releasing any patch with any amount of content and having people say "this patch is horrible".

As for the discussion of why the GSG-9 character looks the way he looks, there is nothing wrong with picking any natural skin tone for a human being in this world, no matter whether their heritage is from. The Black List side of things has to have a camo-brown color to it. So while the Global Risk side of the GSG-9 Character looks much more authentic, a BL side has to be created that fits in with the game and not necessarily the real world.

_Sp4wn_ wrote: »

Do you have proof to back that statement out?

I will add that proof to back SirHi's statement.

While there are plenty of things that go into a patch that may not have been suggested here, we have transmitted ideas from here and from our players.

If things never get discussed the chances of them being suggested, or ultimately decided upon including or changing etc. are slim to none.

Which is why we like to see suggestions and discussions. Because we do talk about the good ones, and influence things for our version. Without discussion of them they would be less likely to reveal themselves as something the community desires.

CookieMunzta wrote: »

I heard this too.

Guess that's why Saidin was kinda pee'd, a few patches back (S.T.A.R. patch), when he said there'd be something for the competitive community, only for the Devs to change it at the last minute.

Regarding this. While I'm in this thread.

Things change all the time. The problem with that patch was that even us here got overly excited and wanted to give as many details to you guys.

We play the game as much you guys do and want to see this game get better and better all the time.

Sometimes that gets us into trouble because things get said earlier than they should have. Something like a WOGL interview, live and on the spot is exciting and things slip our or are taken in the wrong light. We pulled our foot out of our mouth after that and have taken different approaches to releasing patch information.

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

Regarding this. While I'm in this thread.

Things change all the time. The problem with that patch was that even us here got overly excited and wanted to give as many details to you guys.

We play the game as much you guys do and want to see this game get better and better all the time.

Sometimes that gets us into trouble because things get said earlier than they should have. Something like a WOGL interview, live and on the spot is exciting and things slip our or are taken in the wrong light. We pulled our foot out of our mouth after that and have taken different approaches to releasing patch information.

Ahh I understand. Explains the limited amount of information regarding any upcoming patches.

It's kind of for our own good, I suppose, that we don't get over-excited about things that aren't a certainty.

I'll take this into account in future, instead of asking certain Mods what sort of new content is included, on patch nights (even though they always refuse to tell me what little they may know, anyway) :rolleyes:

Nukkarific wrote: »

How dumb are these kids, there are black people all over Europe.

How dumb are you because nobody said there wasn't.

Meh, i dont really care. Play Sims for total customization

oreAero wrote: »

Ok here's a suggestion.

Instead of adding a feature to choose your skin color when you purchase the character. Release the same character multiple times with different skin colors.

Such as
SWAT-Dark (black)
SWAT-Medium (latino)
SWAT-Light (white)
etc..
Could also be other variations.
Also, there could be options in the purchasable items such as the 7 day, 30 day, 90 day (Dark, Medium, Light) so it wouldn't fill up the mall.

There is already 100's of items in the game mall so as far as I know this won't cause a much larger client size and/or require anything that would be hard to do on an old game engine.

I know this is not hard as the patch preview for the GSG-9 was white and a few days later he was black.

Again, a suggestion like this is not a bad one. But the likelihood of it getting in as opposed to a brand new character is less. Because it's more exciting to deliver "new" content. Than to please a smaller portion of the people who don't like the skin color of their character.

I don't want to sound totally discouraging here. But even with previous conventions saying that future characters will likely be ZP, even some new GP content is going to be a higher priority level than this. Or fixing a bug, or correcting spelling etc.

The character is already in the game. There is no real need to change it's skin tone at this point.