Ban the Hackers
Here is what you say in your sticky up top:
"In regards to hacking/hackers:
We realize this is a key issue, and we are addressing the problem from a variety of angles.
All reports sent in are appreciated; generally, you will not receive a reply. We have frequently found when we do reply, players take this as a cue to dump excessive numbers of reports into our inboxes all at once, many of which end up being false positives. Please do not take a lack of response as anything other than par for the course.
We are regularly working on patches which combat the hacking problem. However, there is no one large bandage solution, so each patch is aimed at a different flavor of cheating. With a free to play game, ultimately there's little chance of completely eradicating hackers. That being said, our goal is to minimize the amount of impact they have upon the game.
IP banning is not a useful tool. We've utilized it and find that the number of ways to falsify or circumvent IPs makes this sort of banning inefficient, ineffective, and prone to catching innocent victims.
Not all players that are banned show up on our ban list; this can be due to a number of reasons: the way we use our internal tools, too many alternate accounts per hackers, and many more reasons. If someone you reported with decisive evidence is not on there do not worry, they are still banned. Buying ZP does not shield you from action.
We have had a lot of feedback on hackers/hack solutions, so generally these topics will be closed or removed. There's a number of established feedback topics on this already, please read them before adding to the conversation."
B.S. I keep track of who I've reported. I've reported people 3 months ago. With accompanying video. They are still playing as of 3 days ago.
Do something about the Fu***ing hackers.
"In regards to hacking/hackers:
We realize this is a key issue, and we are addressing the problem from a variety of angles.
All reports sent in are appreciated; generally, you will not receive a reply. We have frequently found when we do reply, players take this as a cue to dump excessive numbers of reports into our inboxes all at once, many of which end up being false positives. Please do not take a lack of response as anything other than par for the course.
We are regularly working on patches which combat the hacking problem. However, there is no one large bandage solution, so each patch is aimed at a different flavor of cheating. With a free to play game, ultimately there's little chance of completely eradicating hackers. That being said, our goal is to minimize the amount of impact they have upon the game.
IP banning is not a useful tool. We've utilized it and find that the number of ways to falsify or circumvent IPs makes this sort of banning inefficient, ineffective, and prone to catching innocent victims.
Not all players that are banned show up on our ban list; this can be due to a number of reasons: the way we use our internal tools, too many alternate accounts per hackers, and many more reasons. If someone you reported with decisive evidence is not on there do not worry, they are still banned. Buying ZP does not shield you from action.
We have had a lot of feedback on hackers/hack solutions, so generally these topics will be closed or removed. There's a number of established feedback topics on this already, please read them before adding to the conversation."
B.S. I keep track of who I've reported. I've reported people 3 months ago. With accompanying video. They are still playing as of 3 days ago.
Do something about the Fu***ing hackers.
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Orbital1019 wrote: »B.S. I keep track of who I've reported. I've reported people 3 months ago. With accompanying video. They are still playing as of 3 days ago.
Do something about the Fu***ing hackers.
There aren't many (Any?) hackers that are in game right now. Perhaps the people you reported are not hackers? Or they were hacking but don't anymore.
I have also noticed for 3 months or so they have completely stopped bothering with hack reports. The one thing the mods should be doing full force, non-stop until they're caught up to help the community they totally ignore to shut down threads like this.
They care one thousand times more about propagating the lie that CF is great rather than working towards making it great. -
DrunkEntrop wrote: »They care one thousand times more about propagating the lie that CF is great rather than working towards making it great.
There are not as many or as frequent hackers in most free online FPS games...
if there was, everybody would be playing it.
In my opinion. CF is a great game, just because for the most part after they installed the new anti-hack. it has MORE OR LESS cracked down on hacks. -
aimoperative wrote: »There are not as many or as frequent hackers in most free online FPS games...
if there was, everybody would be playing it.
In my opinion. CF is a great game, just because for the most part after they installed the new anti-hack. it has MORE OR LESS cracked down on hacks.
That's true, I like it so far. Still, why did they go to all the trouble of revamping the reporting pages just to ignore everyone? Great use of resources there.
And again, there are plenty of other problems going on that should be taken care of but aren't. -
DrunkEntrop wrote: »That's true, I like it so far. Still, why did they go to all the trouble of revamping the reporting pages just to ignore everyone? Great use of resources there.
And again, there are plenty of other problems going on that should be taken care of but aren't.
No game is perfect. And even if they did fix everything, some jerk would find something to wreck it with.
Not saying we shouldn't strive for perfection always, but what i am saying is that we can be more considerate to the people who are in charge of this game...
Because if we leave because we are dissatisfied, the lose money. So they are trying. Maybe they are doing the minimal they can, but considering my last post, it's much better than any other free FPS online game. -
aimoperative wrote: »No game is perfect. And even if they did fix everything, some jerk would find something to wreck it with.
Not saying we shouldn't strive for perfection always, but what i am saying is that we can be more considerate to the people who are in charge of this game...
Because if we leave because we are dissatisfied, the lose money. So they are trying. Maybe they are doing the minimal they can, but considering my last post, it's much better than any other free FPS online game.
I suppose you're right.![:\](https://forum.z8games.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Damnit, sorry for being such a jerk mods. >_>
Hopefully none of them ever see that. Hahaha. -
you guys come in here trolling about z8 is bad and crossfire sucks when u dont no anything about what your talking about. 1 the mods do not have baning powers, they only moderate the forums, the only way for them to ban people is to do the same thing you have to do. 2 b1tching about the hackrs does not accomplish anything just keep on sending int he replays when u believe their tobe a hackr because people hackusate to much in this game. i dont think their is one person playing this game who hasnt been called a hackr at some point. 3 this post is not going to be read by the staff who takes care of banning, they dont care they no the problems with the game and their probably doing everything they can to fix it, its their job. so just chillout and stop making these crying threads about the hackrs
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u dont no anything about what your talking about. 1 the mods do not have baning powers, they only moderate the forums
o.O adressed o me ?? make own game server. u gm 100% rules mod 80 - 90% of rules. who talk about forum mods ? vbulletin. make it first then talk about. and who flame is only u. be more distanced.
P.S haha probably u prefer admin?!? tsss -
o.O adressed o me ?? make own game server. u gm 100% rules mod 80 - 90% of rules. who talk about forum mods ? vbulletin. make it first then talk about. and who flame is only u. be more distanced.
This game doesnt use dedicated servers. like he said. learn what youre talking about.
It would be vitually impossible for 9 mods to patrol the game AND forum looking for hackers.
Even hiring 30-40 wouldnt do much good. Too many for the GM's to keep track of and it still isnt enough to patrol the game an forum.
16 servers. 10 channels in each. average.. 20-30 rooms in each channel. No chance. -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »This game doesnt use dedicated servers. like he said. learn what youre talking about.
It would be vitually impossible for 9 mods to patrol the game AND forum looking for hackers.
Even hiring 30-40 wouldnt do much good. Too many for the GM's to keep track of and it still isnt enough to patrol the game an forum.
16 servers. 10 channels in each. average.. 20-30 rooms in each channel. No chance.
When are there ever 20 games going on per all 10 channels per 16 servers? Whenever I play it's like maybe 2 or 3 full channels per server. Sure, I get the point but it's quite a difference anyways. >_>
And it is possible, just recruit more more more helpers. GM's don't have to be in total control of the situation or everyone all the time, they can hand off some of that power and trust in them controlling the situation. At least better than handing it to EVERYONE and letting them run wild, at least this way they could have a little more faith in the people they've giving kick/ban powers. -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »This game doesnt use dedicated servers. like he said. learn what youre talking about.
It would be vitually impossible for 9 mods to patrol the game AND forum looking for hackers.
Even hiring 30-40 wouldnt do much good. Too many for the GM's to keep track of and it still isnt enough to patrol the game an forum.
16 servers. 10 channels in each. average.. 20-30 rooms in each channel. No chance.
here my first mesage i highlight it in bb-red
lol only 3 months ?? wait 3 months more! ... probably they need more moderators to active-ban-processing.
finally who prevent game-mod to be forum-mod ? -
We have frequently found when we do reply, players take this as a cue to dump excessive numbers of reports into our inboxes all at once, many of which end up being false positives.
That's one of the main reasons it takes so long to ban the real hackers. Reviewing all those replays must be very time consuming. -
DrunkEntrop wrote: »When are there ever 20 games going on per all 10 channels per 16 servers? Whenever I play it's like maybe 2 or 3 full channels per server. Sure, I get the point but it's quite a difference anyways. >_>
And it is possible, just recruit more more more helpers. GM's don't have to be in total control of the situation or everyone all the time, they can hand off some of that power and trust in them controlling the situation. At least better than handing it to EVERYONE and letting them run wild, at least this way they could have a little more faith in the people they've giving kick/ban powers.
In a fell server with full channel, it can be as high as 40. I have no idea where youre going to only see 20 in high traffic channels.
Yes they do. They can be giving people the ability to kick and ban players just like that.... look at the kick vote system? I know the GM's could give it to "trusted" players.. but those trusted player become Moderators and nothing less.
The GM's WILL have to keep track of people being able to kick/ban at all times.here my first mesage i highlight it in bb-red
lol only 3 months ?? wait 3 months more! ... probably they need more moderators to active-ban-processing.
finally who prevent game-mod to be forum-mod ?
No.. you dont understand. Any report BEFORE the new system was implemented has been lost. resubmit the hack report and it will be looked at quickly.
Also I dont understand your second question?That's one of the main reasons it takes so long to ban the real hackers. Reviewing all those replays must be very time consuming.
It does... And I say that from experience -
well i don't really care about new system ... i said just that his waiting about 3 months is laughty
... cuz i waited for a half year. i don't know when will players been banned, wich i reported today. i just know that 6 months is normally. i don't flame about. i just happy to know that works are in process
ty for listening *..* gn8 -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »In a fell server with full channel, it can be as high as 40. I have no idea where youre going to only see 20 in high traffic channels.
Yes they do. They can be giving people the ability to kick and ban players just like that.... look at the kick vote system? I know the GM's could give it to "trusted" players.. but those trusted player become Moderators and nothing less.
The GM's WILL have to keep track of people being able to kick/ban at all times.
I was just using your number. Change it for 30, change it to 40 for all I care. It still ups both the total possible and the total actual.
That's fine, call them whatever you want, it doesn't matter. An in-game player that's unkickable with the ability to ban players is a "GM" to me. Doesn't matter what anyone else wants to call it.
Well, they could and should and would probably have to keep track of who has the ability to because they may need to take it away from them. But like... 90% of the time they probably don't have to worry about people, they just have to patrol those few people abusing their admin power rather than everyone in the game which they can't and don't atm.
I'd rather have it so 1000 people are held accountable for their kicks rather than 30,000 people that aren't. -
well i don't really care about new system ... i said just that his waiting about 3 months is laughty ... cuz i waited for a half year. i don't know when will players been banned, wich i reported today. i just know that 6 months is normally. i don't flame about. i just happy to know that works are in process
ty for listening *..* gn8
No.. He shouldnt have waited for 3 months. he should have resubmitted ages ago. That is an error in his actions... not the systemDrunkEntrop wrote: »I was just using your number. Change it for 30, change it to 40 for all I care. It still ups both the total possible and the total actual.
That's fine, call them whatever you want, it doesn't matter. An in-game player that's unkickable with the ability to ban players is a "GM" to me. Doesn't matter what anyone else wants to call it.
Well, they could and should and would probably have to keep track of who has the ability to because they may need to take it away from them. But like... 90% of the time they probably don't have to worry about people, they just have to patrol those few people abusing their admin power rather than everyone in the game which they can't and don't atm.
I'd rather have it so 1000 people are held accountable for their kicks rather than 30,000 people that aren't.
I said on average 20-30.. and as high as 40. I didnt change anything. -.-'
I agree, the kick vote system needs to be overhauled. But what you said isnt a practical solution.
In my opinion.... its either pay for the privilege to kick (some sort of VIP system) or go for one of the 2 extremes. Remove it... or keep it. Either way, noone will be happy. -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »I said on average 20-30.. and as high as 40. I didnt change anything. -.-'
I agree, the kick vote system needs to be overhauled. But what you said isnt a practical solution.
In my opinion.... its either pay for the privilege to kick (some sort of VIP system) or go for one of the 2 extremes. Remove it... or keep it. Either way, noone will be happy.
I didn't say you did, I said you can.
-Shrug- Paying for the privilege to kick just means more crybaby nubs will feel obligated to get their moneys worth and kick more people if they pay for it. People that understand there's no need to kick people aren't going to pay for it.
Paying to become unkickable is a better system. Sure, it can be abused too but they should be banned if they're hacking, not kicked anyways.
It should be: Remove it or keep it, either way some people will be happy and some won't.
Right now it's unfair though and the people being treated unfairly aren't happy. Remove it and you'll have the people that are being treated fairly but getting owned unhappy and that's how it should be, because it sucks to be them and it sucks to suck but they have to suck it up and learn not to suck. -
DrunkEntrop wrote: »I didn't say you did, I said you can.
-Shrug- Paying for the privilege to kick just means more crybaby nubs will feel obligated to get their moneys worth and kick more people if they pay for it. People that understand there's no need to kick people aren't going to pay for it.
Paying to become unkickable is a better system. Sure, it can be abused too but they should be banned if they're hacking, not kicked anyways. Remove it or keep it, either way some people will be happy and some won't. Right now it's unfair though and the people being treated unfairly aren't happy. Remove it and you'll have the people that are being treated fairly but getting owned unhappy and that's how it should be, because it sucks to be them and it sucks to suck but they have to suck it up and learn not to suck.
No. Paying to have it so you cannot be kicked is completely stupid. It WILL be abused way more than it will help. Every hacker will do surveys to afford this (they wouldnt even need to buy zp) and there ya go... unkickable, unbeatable players. Totally impractical. -
combining ANY element of paying and kickvote together is not a good idea...
so many things have been done against hackers (multiple xtrap updates, hacker recognization aka physical memory reading and the improved webform)
please be content as it is now it was never better
im quite content with the situation now
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ppl will either leave CF cause its not complete free to play with all functions for everyone any more or ppl will stop kicking hackers cause they dont care anyway[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Why not? Justifying responses is good practice.
why should i pay to get rid of a guy that makes my team win? that would be the point i and most other players would completely stop kicking hackers in their team...
now many guys kick teammateh4ckers just ffs but pay just to have the other team satisfied and personally NOT gaining an advantage?... never
i buy things in CF to get some personal advantage like armor or shovel
thats the only reason i spend ZP ^^
hope thats justyifing enough
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ppl will either leave CF cause its not complete free to play with all functions for everyone any more or ppl will stop kicking hackers cause they dont care anyway
why should i pay to get rid of a guy that makes my team win? that would be the point i and most other players would completely stop kicking hackers in their team...
now many guys kick teammateh4ckers just ffs but pay just to have the other team satisfied and personally NOT gaining an advantage?... never
i buy things in CF to get some personal advantage like armor or shovel
thats the only reason i spend ZP ^^
hope thats justyifing enough
Then by that logic, people will leave because ZP weapons arent free. Think of kick voting as a buyable "perk" to to the game.why should i pay to get rid of a guy that makes my team win?
Thats backwards thinking. You remove cheaters from the game... thats the only way the community will move forward against these hackers. -
The only actually viable way to more or less get rid of hackers and cut down on noobs, is if Z8games hires more Mods and pays them...I guessing the MOD system is based on an Adim. trust.
If we really want to get rid of these noobs and hackers, Z8 will just have to hire and pay people...
I understand difficult it might be to pay those people, but otherwise, this issue is just going to be one of those annoying pop ups. -
[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »No. Paying to have it so you cannot be kicked is completely stupid. It WILL be abused way more than it will help. Every hacker will do surveys to afford this (they wouldnt even need to buy zp) and there ya go... unkickable, unbeatable players. Totally impractical.
That's why there should be safeguards:
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=107522
Registered a year before you could get it (and only if the account you want it on has had no strikes against it for hacking/glitching during that year etc), and if you do get strikes it gets revoked and you can never get it.
Then not every noob can get it, as it is extremely hard:p
just cause im pro.. 
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