Kick Voting the definitive discussion

DrunkEntrop wrote: »

Nowai. I don't believe you. Maybe about the glitchers in MM but outside of it they don't matter and there's no vote within it.
Maybe you're a closet kick vote offender? Hrm? Ever think of that?

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Lolli_Roger wrote: »

Play Ghost Mode as much as I do, and I'll guaranty ya, you'll run to plenty of chammers. And I don't kick unless I've caught a hacker red-handed. Thus why my KDR is so low.

I always play GM. I never see Chammers. Either as ghost or soldier. It's not a hard mode if you just do it right. They probably aren't hackers, stop blaming your poor K/D on anything but your poor skills.

UKDissident wrote: »

I play GM a lot and don't see any, only 1 of the 2 hackers I saw was in GM but he was spawn killing.

And DrunkEntrop aka PurityNdeath can mange amazing scores in GM without hacking like 29/0, I think that was the score I saw last time:D

I never see any. I saw a few speeders in GM back when that was the rage but that was just fun to try and kill them, then they'd cry and call me a hacker for still owning them when all they had was a little speed boost. Still not running faster then my bullets, dou.chebags. I saw two of the 1-shot through walls spray down spawn guys before that was cleared up. Helped finish my dailies faster. XD

Since then nothing.

Sidebar: I tried MAT, what a horrible CF rip off. -_-; I was really hoping for an upgraded CF and I got CF's really gimpy cousin. KoS was sort of fun but sort of not also. In both of them the guns seemed accurate but they weren't really. And the vision and movement in both of them seemed off.

UKDissident wrote: »

Yea, the char models to me look "gimpy" too, and the movements as you said are off, they just are not fluid enough. The AI's in K.O.S made me laugh as they camped sometimes -.-, but CF should implement AI's as they wouldn't QQ or kick:D

Naw, that'd lose most of the point of playing an online FPS anyways... In my opinion, at least. I just remember back to bots on CS or DoD and either they were way too bad or way too good. There wasn't any medium ground. Either they're basically cheating or they're herp derp let's run around in circles. I still feel that way about bots, even if they're progged better, it's still "BS cheating computer knows where I am." Vs. "Ugh, these things are too easy to kill."

I just got done playing Fear. A little Quake-ish but it wasn't that bad. Capture the Flag mode was fun for a bit.

Votekick option for master sergeants and above only?

This is a very serious problem. However, all of these options have complications and issues to be worked out. Only a very few of them could avoid being abused. Some important things to consider in all of these options would be:

1.) Be certain that the kick voting would NOT inhibit the ability of players (and we must assume they are all legitimate) to vote off the illegitimate hackers. Even though attempting to limit the accusations available to a given player such as the wannabe ace is noble in intent, we cannot assume that the intent of said player is otherwise without authentication of some sort (such as the concurrence of a moderator).

2.) Realize that however much you attempt to educate the community, there will always be false accusations. It's impossible to avoid. Shy of Z8 games monitoring games, mistakes will always be made in judging the legitimacy of accusations.

3.) Absolutely no option in this list will be met with total support. All of them will be helpful, but none completely perfect in all circumstances.

Mods are best option IMO. I haven't been kicked much due to the fact that you literally have to have more than half the game hate you to vote you out. At the same time I've seen blatant hackers finish the game with ludicrously high scores, and wasted my precious time to report it. Frankly, this option available to the community is wasted. By the time the game is over, there is no incentive to report. Moderators directly and instantly kicking, however, would immediately improve playing conditions.

The only problem that exists with mods is not the power they hold, (for no one who is legitimate can legitimately be afraid of legitimate power) but who holds it. A new, different, and more accurate honor system would need to be put in place to monitor the ability of a player to competently perform under the rank of moderator (honor could be boosted by helping out the community by sending in legitimate hack reports, not reporting false ones, watching one's language, and just about any other task a moderator might have to perform). This way, the most 'honorable' person in the room receives the decision in kicks (requests could still be sent by multiple other players, [so even if the mod doesn't see it, the combined and CONFIDENTIAL testimonies would help him or her decide] just not voted on by the accuser). Even though there might be complaints, theoretically anything an honest person is forced to do would have been done earlier by a dishonest person.

Or they could be handpicked, I don't really care, but they'd have to be mature enough to leave the game aside to serve the greater good of the community of players.

The kick system is a huge fail.In public rooms, in 99,99% of the cases the actual hacker doesn't get kicked, because the noobs in his team want to win the match, like someone cares about that. It doesn't matter that they end up with k/d 5/40, it doesn't matter that they don't have any skills, they just want to win the match.
You can't tell me that you don't feel a bit frustrated whenever an idiot gets inside the pillars in Egypt or in the boxes on Ship and starts spraying randomly on your spawn position. That guy never gets kicked, instead noobs kick the good players all the time.
The kick system is effective as long as it keeps the hackers out of the game, and yet all it does is keeping the hackers and glitchers do their job, and kicking good players just for being good.
I've seen a lot of trolls in here telling people to play on foxtrot with other decent players to avoid being kicked, but it's very hard to find a room without a password on foxtrot, so we search for a free room longer than we play. So this sucks too.
Z8 should understand that with the kick system they are giving too much power to underaged idiots who don't like good skills, and even more, they allow the hackers to continue playing. This sounds like a huge fail, at least to me.

Lolli_Roger wrote: »

If I can still manage to run into 3 hackers/glitchers per day, and I do, then the kick-vote system is still needed.

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believed or not... the real hacker will not get kick.. maybe 1 out of 10..
but the real pro which will get kick all the time..
i get kick everyday, i need to do my mission in pub rooms, so .. in other time i played with Chinese Alpha 7.. i am chinese too..

so the vote kick system for me, i think it's useless these days, most of them time, people just kicking u for being ace... n stupid players in pub will never F11 on real hackers , they want to win the match ,no matter what..

This is outright f*cking unbeleivable! We pay you money to pay your cheap, sh*tty, addictive game and guess what? Do the people who run the game give a sh*t? No! If you keep payin', they couldnt give a rat's ass. Z8 is a bad company, with bad customer support, which so far has done nothing to releive the pains of it's best customers.
Shame on you, Z8. Even SubaGames was better than you.