Kick Voting the definitive discussion
With regard to kick voting and Z8 or the Devs (I.E those that are responsible for or have a say in functions of this game);
Or is this game just a lost cause and those responsible for implementing the monstrosity called kick voting and those that support it in it’s current form think it is acceptable for their customers players to be kicked for no reason?
The hacker argument is always advanced to stymie any discussion about improvements, and yes there needs to be ways of preventing hackers from playing but not at the expense of customer’s/players playing.
There have been many suggestions about kick voting thus far that meet the two requirements above:
Others:
Or alternatively use the search function and search forums for "kick vote", "kick voting" and it'll list the suggestions and thousands of threads about it simply being an annoyance rather than a help.
Maybe some of the above should be implemented or anything else that can improve the situation that z8 or the devs can come up with.
Regarding this thread:
And there is no reason for this thread to be locked as it simply contains questions/suggestions (written in a reasonable manner by a customer of yours), about improving your game for the better, any posts that are deemed inappropriate simple delete them.
It would be nice to have a civil discussion whithout witty comments, and without the thread being locked to see whether this game is likely to improve because the player base will not.
- Do they actually want to improve the vote kicking situation?
- Do they actually intend to improve the vote kicking situation anytime soon or in the future for people that can play average or good?
Or is this game just a lost cause and those responsible for implementing the monstrosity called kick voting and those that support it in it’s current form think it is acceptable for their customers players to be kicked for no reason?
The hacker argument is always advanced to stymie any discussion about improvements, and yes there needs to be ways of preventing hackers from playing but not at the expense of customer’s/players playing.
There have been many suggestions about kick voting thus far that meet the two requirements above:
- Kicked players stop getting penalties Here
- Earn vote kick rights Here
- Kick Accountability Here
- Hidden kick vote reason Here
- Stop noobs from kicking Here
- Two kicks per person being kicked. Here
- Allow the kick vote bar to be seen by the accused Here
- Freeze game for vote kicks Here
- Room Mod Abilities Here
- Make F11's worth less and f12's have more value Here
- Get paid for being kicked Here
- No kicking on last round or last 10kills. Here
- Don't permit Ace wannabes to kick Aces Here
- Pro server no kick vote enabled Here
- Vote limit per hour/day? [URL="http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=48299]Here[/url]
- Remove Vote Kick Function in-game, Add Report function in-game Here
- Remove Vote kick and Penalty on leaving Here
Others:
- Disable in game chat or allow team only chat.
- Make people pay for kicks.
- Allow kick vote to be enable/disabled on room creation.
- Make persistant kickers be known add a honor type bar
Or alternatively use the search function and search forums for "kick vote", "kick voting" and it'll list the suggestions and thousands of threads about it simply being an annoyance rather than a help.
Maybe some of the above should be implemented or anything else that can improve the situation that z8 or the devs can come up with.
Regarding this thread:
And there is no reason for this thread to be locked as it simply contains questions/suggestions (written in a reasonable manner by a customer of yours), about improving your game for the better, any posts that are deemed inappropriate simple delete them.
It would be nice to have a civil discussion whithout witty comments, and without the thread being locked to see whether this game is likely to improve because the player base will not.
Comments
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Admins/Mods/GMs of Z8, Please Let this Happen!
I haven't been kicked for any hacking reasons, but my clan mates have definitely been seeing this happen to themselves. I'm not speaking for them, but I do hate noobs just simply kicking us because we know how to play an FPS better than them.
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Yeah, something needs to be changed. It's not fair to non hackers that keep getting kicked!
I mean if you're a lagger then that's understandable but if you get kicked just because you're better than some whinny newb then that's not fair.
Allow kick vote to be enable/disabled on room creation.
^ Might be a good Idea.
One more thing, the links to suggestions don't work. (fix them please) -
UKDissident wrote: »And there is no reason for this thread to be locked as it simply contains questions/suggestions (written in a reasonable manner by a customer of yours), about improving your game for the better, any posts that are deemed inappropriate simple delete them.
It would be nice to have a civil discussion whithout witty comments, and without the thread being locked to see whether this game is likely to improve because the player base will not.
Affirmative. I'll keep it civil and hopefully we can get a real, official response. Yes, it was stated that it won't be removed but I hope it's well known by now that this is a very serious problem with the game that needs to be addressed and fixed somehow. -
PurityNDeath wrote: »Affirmative. I'll keep it civil and hopefully we can get a real, official response. Yes, it was stated that it won't be removed but I hope it's well known by now that this is a very serious problem with the game that needs to be addressed and fixed somehow.
Rodger, and since AVA is taking ages to install I think I might go kill people in MM where you can kill in a FPS without being kicked:D -
UKDissident wrote: »Rodger, and since AVA is taking ages to install I think I might go kill people in MM where you can kill in a FPS without being kicked:D
I'll probably hop on and daily, as much as it might end up annoying me. >_< I installed MAT and Fear. I'll give them a whirl later, tonight is good TV day too. Dexter, Walking Dead and Boardwalk Empire. -
I somewhat Agree and somewhat dissagree to your guy's argument. I complety agree with the Kick accountability and the ability to earn kick rights, but with this also comes with the power for others to abuse these rights. Who is to judge how "accountable" or "earned" your rights are?
But on other points, I understand why the CF moderators have made the decision to keep it this way.
1.Because they are lazy, and prob wont change it anyway
2. Hacers are STILL in the game, and thus people need to kick them
And Hey CF, why cant people kick people in Mutation mode? If it isnt more obvious already, people still block and people still hack in this particular gametype. By allowing that anti kick, your allowing hackers, glitchers, and blockers to stay and keep their stupid gameplan. -
RawrJafrikan wrote: »Who is to judge how "accountable" or "earned" your rights are?
Next to the suggestions are links to the thread which details each suggestion extensively.RawrJafrikan wrote: »2. Hacers are STILL in the game, and thus people need to kick them
What a poor excuse for abuse to continue rife, a balance has to be stuck between allowing most average/good players the right to play and keeping hackers off, all of the suggestions allow this to happen and strike a balence.
Like I said the hacker argument is always advanced to stymie any discussion about improvements.RawrJafrikan wrote: »And Hey CF, why cant people kick people in Mutation mode? If it isnt more obvious already, people still block and people still hack in this particular gametype. By allowing that anti kick, your allowing hackers, glitchers, and blockers to stay and keep their stupid gameplan.
I think maybe you should make a thread I certainly do not want idiotic kick voting in a mode that is a safe haven after getting kicked all the time.
Also there are no hackers at all or so few in this mode that warrant adding kick voting, glitcher spots should be patched and you can block them entering the boxes now and as for blocking simply shoot the mutant it's not that hard.
On top of all that it's a fun mode you don't get kills, you don't get deaths so even if an hacker entered and ended the game in a few minutes simply kick him and continue.
And what would happen when someone kicks you, do you think in a FFA type game people will F12 for you esp when your the top player?
How about when your hiding and they can't find you, they'll think your glitched and kick you.
What about when your camping on the ledge in Excavation annoying all the mutants? Do you think they won't kick you?
Or if you mutant a mardy lil kid? -
PurityNDeath wrote: »Affirmative. I'll keep it civil and hopefully we can get a real, official response. Yes, it was stated that it won't be removed but I hope it's well known by now that this is a very serious problem with the game that needs to be addressed and fixed somehow.
It IS being worked on. The game is always going through improvements and kick voting has been discussed as a serious issue. Unfortunately there is no real solution available at the moment. Its merely down the players' level of maturity. -
i was kicked 4 times today: one time i was only 3-1, the other times i could understand the haccusations. Kicking is annoying, but i think it is essential, and they NEED it in MM. the only problem with MM kicking is since everyone plays for themselves/teams dont matter and there is no win/loss, people will just kick good players cuz they are hard to get and getting them Pi$$es of the noobs.
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[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »It IS being worked on. The game is always going through improvements and kick voting has been discussed as a serious issue.
In terms of real improvement for the better or in terms of so-called improvement like this? (because that is just frankly 1000 times worse)
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UKDissident wrote: »In terms of real improvement for the better or in terms of so-called improvement like this? (because that is just frankly 1000 times worse)
I said yes to that poll a loooooong time ago because I wanted it for box glitchers and blockers. But now that the kicking situation has degraded so much into a problem 10x worse to deal with than hackers, glitchers or blockers I'd like to change my vote. XD -
I read... kicks against glitchers ? Muhahaha. If there are real developpers behind Crossfire, they shouldn't even be a way to glitch ! We don't need a way to kick the glitchers, we need a real physic engine that doesn't allow 2 solid objects clipping into each other. Quite simple, huh ?
Same with hackers as well, although I understand protecting the app from injections, editions, sniffers and so on is way more difficult. -
UKDissident wrote: »
- Earn vote kick rights Here
- Kick Accountability Here
- Hidden kick vote reason Here
- Stop noobs from kicking Here
- Allow the kick vote bar to be seen by the accused Here
- Freeze game for vote kicks Here
- Room Mod Abilities Here
- Make F11's worth less and f12's have more value Here
- Don't permit Ace wannabes to kick Aces Here
- Pro server no kick vote enabled Here
- Remove Vote kick and Penalty on leaving Here
I agree with these suggestions - Earn vote kick rights Here
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WishMunzta wrote: »I agree with these suggestions
This suggestion is good too:DrunkEntrop wrote: »why not a server with no vote kick? Especially a higher level one so that the ha.ckers that are there are banned and it'll take them forever to come back.
I still think the tiered server or channel approach is a good idea. That was the hackers will be weeded out as the tiers go up and up. And no one really gives a sh.it what fu.cking noobs complain about anyways. If you don't take the time to level up the tiers then the ha.ckers can kill you until you quit for all I give a fu.ck.
source: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=101042&page=2Another suggestion: Unranked server with no vote kicking.
Just give us more options. Game ranked? Vote kick? No vote kick? Host moderator?
If a game is unranked and a real hacker (speed/1shotkill/aimbot) joins we can leave without a penalty. The real hackers won’t gain anything much (exp/gp) so they would not really be interested in farming us. The good players can own like there’s no tomorrow and the whiny noobs can rage quit instead of kicking their superiors.
If we have an unranked server, we can just play for the fps element of the game (and not the mmo). Therefore noobs would have nothing to gain by kicking the Ace and so on.MODGiggletron wrote:It IS being worked on.MODGiggletron wrote:Unfortunately there is no real solution available at the moment.
Is it just me but these two quotes contradict each other. We gave you a fu.cking lot of suggestions and how many of them have been implemented? And don't tell me they weren't implemented because they are not practical or bad.
Other Cross Fire versions have kick immunity and seeing the bar when you are going to get kicked. This version which has the worst community has nothing. The least you can ****ing do is introduce what other versions did, but NO, YOU DIDN'T.
Let's make a deal. Either remove x-trap or remove vote kick. That way we will have more hackers which will justify the kicking. At the moment I'm sure that less than 15% of the kicks can be justified. Such a cost is simply not acceptable to most rational players like me. -
We gave you a fu.cking lot of suggestions and how many of them have been implemented? And don't tell me they weren't implemented because they are not practical or bad.
Other Cross Fire versions have kick immunity and seeing the bar when you are going to get kicked. This version which has the worst community has nothing. The least you can fu.cking do is introduce what other versions did, but NO, YOU DIDN'T.
Let's make a deal. Either remove x-trap or remove vote kick. That way we will have more hackers which will justify the kicking. At the moment I'm sure that less than 15% of the kicks can be justified. Such a cost is simply not acceptable to most rational players like me.
Shwing. You done got F'd in the A, Z8 gaymes. -
nucksfan123 wrote: »do u just pub by urself all the time?
try cwing or echo8, wat i do and i havnt been kicked for a while
Echo 8/Alpha 7 are not a solution for those who play on uk servers. Well at least I managed to find some pub games with Chinese players in UK 1,7 and UK3,7 and they haven't harassed me yet like most players out there do. -
You can't fix what isn't broken. The system works like it should. However, it doesn't get used the way it was intended.
The reason for this is, people cry "wolf" too much. And when a "wolf" finally shows himself, no one will believe the cries anymore.
In laymen terms: People don't really know what hackers are or what hacks do, and can't be bothered to sacrifice a few virtual lives to learn more on both.
My Suggestions: Ak-47 Custom Glock-18 Adv. M110 s.a.s.s. M4A1 Masterkey MAC 10 Suppressed XM110 Spec-ops -
in counter strike was great idea to kick players...
the host has had that power and only he does... his vote kick should be 3x normal vote from normal user. Or... make any simple IQ test for the guy who wants to kick xDYou can't fix what isn't broken. The system works like it should. However, it doesn't get used the way it was intended.
The reason for this is, people cry "wolf" too much. And when a "wolf" finally shows himself, no one will believe the cries anymore.
In laymen terms: People don't really know what hackers are or what hacks do, and can't be bothered to sacrifice a few virtual lives to learn more on both.
Big + for you... that stpid fat kids won't ever learn how to recognise the true "wolf" from normal, well playing man. There always will be "wolf" "wolf" in that case he killed him cuz the killer was better than the prey.
all these kids are about 8-15 years old... and guess what... mostly they are turks... which is annoying. -
nucksfan123 wrote: »do u just pub by urself all the time?
Lmao, even in CW's people cry hack but they can't kick, that is how it should be in other modes, thanks for proving the point that there is a problem in pubs.
Even if I play x or don't play at all there is still a problem with kick voting, that needs to be fixed, this affects thousands of players daily.
Crossfire is a good game but it is ruined by kick vote, people don't even QQ because they think you hack most the time they QQ because there is a kick function which they know can be used to remove a player.
I tried a few other games such as K.O.S, M.A.T etc with the intention of leaving Crossfire but they just aren't as good, if and when I find one I'll gladly leave this game altogether as it is that annoying to play, I don't care about QQ'ers either and all the other sh!t what is most annoying is that these very people have a built in function to remove you from games without reason and without any fear of repercussions for doing so.
How the heck can you come to CF to chill and have fun when all you hear is constant whining about haks/kicks and actual kicks being initiated 3 times a round - That's fun? -
Like I said. Don't blame the tool used, but blame the tool using it.
My Suggestions: Ak-47 Custom Glock-18 Adv. M110 s.a.s.s. M4A1 Masterkey MAC 10 Suppressed XM110 Spec-ops -
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UKDissident wrote: »I tried a few other games such as K.O.S, M.A.T etc with the intention of leaving Crossfire
Damn, I was about to try them... Well, I'm still gonna so nyaaah. Also Fear, I DL'd that, let's see if it's any good...UKDissident wrote: »Until then real solutions are needed.
Then is now. Final solutions are needed. XD -
ZapperPwnds wrote: »Hmm.... i see... i Support this... People dont realize... there isnt as much hacks as they think..
The true problem The QQers... If There was no vote kick.. this game would be 10,000 X better...If I can still manage to run into 3 hackers/glitchers per day, and I do, then the kick-vote system is still needed.
My Suggestions: Ak-47 Custom Glock-18 Adv. M110 s.a.s.s. M4A1 Masterkey MAC 10 Suppressed XM110 Spec-ops -
Lolli_Roger wrote: »If I can still manage to run into 3 hackers/glitchers per day, and I do, then the kick-vote system is still needed.
Nowai. I don't believe you. Maybe about the glitchers in MM but outside of it they don't matter and there's no vote within it.
Maybe you're a closet kick vote offender? Hrm? Ever think of that?
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