[Intelligent Discussions] Forgiveness
Hello, some of you may know me, some of you may not. It’s not that it really matters though. In response to the, “lack of activity” from me, I have decided to come back start making these intelligent threads just as many have done before. You may say, I am doing my own series of threads that promote intelligent discussions and hard thinking. I’ve been wanting to do this ever since our very own [MOD] Polleus has done. These threads won’t be a daily implementation, but I will have some threads.
Just to clarify, if you guys think that I am “copying” Polleus, or that I am trying “way too hard to be a mod” (some critique that I have received from many forumers after posting my threads) you guys really should look at the big picture. I am making these threads in order to help the forums become a regular gaming forum, to an intelligent, nurturing, and promoting community or even a family. If you do not share these same ideas, but instead want to think in a negative manner, just don’t read this. Post a “cool story bro” or a “tl;dr” and show your lack of intelligence. Just remember, I called this before anything actually happened.
This is a series of threads. These threads are really not “informative threads”, I prefer to call them “discussion threads”. If you don’t know proper English (which pertains to proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation), there are many websites that can help. I also know, from my past experience and from my research, that some internet browsers such as Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome, have spell-check, grammar-check, and punctuation-check built into them. If not, here are some helpful links:
Due to a lot of discrimination a foreigner may experience in our community, mainly due to the fact that this is an English only forum, there are some decent online translators, such as Google Translator
Just to be clear, I bump the latest one every now and then until it becomes clear that nobody has anything new to contribute.
Well, without furthur ado, here is my thread that I bring to you today!
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Forgiveness [Intelligent Discussion #2]
Topic: What do you define forgiveness to be? What do you think the benefits [or drawbacks] from forgiving another is? Do you think that forgiveness plays a big or small part in this community?
“When someone you care about hurts you, you can hold on to anger, resentment and thoughts of revenge — or embrace forgiveness and move forward.”
Well, here is the start of this weekly ‘installment’ of my discussions. After a bit of thinking and brainstorming, I’ve decided that this is a worthy cause and topic to write and get opinions on. I’ve been here for a while, so I guess my insight may be of a little use to the public. Forgiveness has been something in my life, and hopefully yours as well, for as long as I have remembered. Just some background info, again, from SirHi. I’m not a guru, but I guess I’m allowed an opinion.
In my thoughts and perspective, forgiveness is the mending of a past harm and re-creation of a relationship between two people. That is, forgiving another and being acquaintances [or friends] again. I also think that this act of forgiving and being forgiven is initiated with a simple “thank you”. It’s what you do after the “thank you” that really matters. For instance, if you accidentally stole something from a person, presuming it meant a great deal to them, and lost it, a “thank you” would get you less than a penny at an auction. What I think the person should do is try to make up for the lost item, such as replacing it [if the item is tangible] or trying to make up for it sincerely [if the item was a memory, or priceless possession.
Nothing is lost when you try. This, along with many thoughts, beliefs, and sayings, is a core and base of my life. Trying to do something is nothing. What doesn’t kill you, will only make you stronger. Think hard about it, the worse that will probably happen to you is a “No”. I’m not talking about going to extremes such as jumping off of a bridge and expecting to live, but asking somebody to forgive them.
I think that there are many of both, drawbacks and benefits from forgiveness. For one, there is a falling guilty feeling that you feel whenever you are reminded of what happened. Though you are forgiven, the conscience in your mind will and can not let it go if you were actually sincerely sorry about the action. I’ve compiled a little list to name a few:
Pro’s
Con’s
I personally think that forgiveness is a huge part of this community. Though it’s not always shown, it is apparent. For example:
Though he admitted to hacking, he asked to start a new relationship. I think most of the community [excluding trolls and players who just need an ego boost] accepted his apology and life went on.
Another good example is:
I’m just leaving you with a bit of food for thought. Thanks for reading.
SirHi
Just to clarify, if you guys think that I am “copying” Polleus, or that I am trying “way too hard to be a mod” (some critique that I have received from many forumers after posting my threads) you guys really should look at the big picture. I am making these threads in order to help the forums become a regular gaming forum, to an intelligent, nurturing, and promoting community or even a family. If you do not share these same ideas, but instead want to think in a negative manner, just don’t read this. Post a “cool story bro” or a “tl;dr” and show your lack of intelligence. Just remember, I called this before anything actually happened.
This is a series of threads. These threads are really not “informative threads”, I prefer to call them “discussion threads”. If you don’t know proper English (which pertains to proper grammar, spelling, and punctuation), there are many websites that can help. I also know, from my past experience and from my research, that some internet browsers such as Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome, have spell-check, grammar-check, and punctuation-check built into them. If not, here are some helpful links:
- Mozilla Firefox Spell Checker Add On: Click Here
- Google Chrome Spell Checker Tutorial: Click Here
- Internet Explorer Spell Checker ieSpell Add On: Click Here
- Opera GNU Aspell Add On: Click Here
- Safari Spell Checker Enabling Tutorial: Click Here
Due to a lot of discrimination a foreigner may experience in our community, mainly due to the fact that this is an English only forum, there are some decent online translators, such as Google Translator
Just to be clear, I bump the latest one every now and then until it becomes clear that nobody has anything new to contribute.
Well, without furthur ado, here is my thread that I bring to you today!
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Forgiveness [Intelligent Discussion #2]
Topic: What do you define forgiveness to be? What do you think the benefits [or drawbacks] from forgiving another is? Do you think that forgiveness plays a big or small part in this community?
“When someone you care about hurts you, you can hold on to anger, resentment and thoughts of revenge — or embrace forgiveness and move forward.”
Well, here is the start of this weekly ‘installment’ of my discussions. After a bit of thinking and brainstorming, I’ve decided that this is a worthy cause and topic to write and get opinions on. I’ve been here for a while, so I guess my insight may be of a little use to the public. Forgiveness has been something in my life, and hopefully yours as well, for as long as I have remembered. Just some background info, again, from SirHi. I’m not a guru, but I guess I’m allowed an opinion.
In my thoughts and perspective, forgiveness is the mending of a past harm and re-creation of a relationship between two people. That is, forgiving another and being acquaintances [or friends] again. I also think that this act of forgiving and being forgiven is initiated with a simple “thank you”. It’s what you do after the “thank you” that really matters. For instance, if you accidentally stole something from a person, presuming it meant a great deal to them, and lost it, a “thank you” would get you less than a penny at an auction. What I think the person should do is try to make up for the lost item, such as replacing it [if the item is tangible] or trying to make up for it sincerely [if the item was a memory, or priceless possession.
Nothing is lost when you try. This, along with many thoughts, beliefs, and sayings, is a core and base of my life. Trying to do something is nothing. What doesn’t kill you, will only make you stronger. Think hard about it, the worse that will probably happen to you is a “No”. I’m not talking about going to extremes such as jumping off of a bridge and expecting to live, but asking somebody to forgive them.
I think that there are many of both, drawbacks and benefits from forgiveness. For one, there is a falling guilty feeling that you feel whenever you are reminded of what happened. Though you are forgiven, the conscience in your mind will and can not let it go if you were actually sincerely sorry about the action. I’ve compiled a little list to name a few:
Pro’s
- you know that you have done all that you could, if you already have
- you can start a new relationship with the other person
- you live with a good conscience
- your mind will be in a state of peace
Con’s
- scars never go away, you may be reminded of the event from time to time and feel sorry about it
- the casual friendship or relationship of yours may have turned, sort of awkward
- making up for something as bad as hurting their feelings is actually, pretty hard
I personally think that forgiveness is a huge part of this community. Though it’s not always shown, it is apparent. For example:
Though he admitted to hacking, he asked to start a new relationship. I think most of the community [excluding trolls and players who just need an ego boost] accepted his apology and life went on.
Another good example is:
I’m just leaving you with a bit of food for thought. Thanks for reading.
SirHi
Comments
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So you say we've to forgive BR's/TR's? o.O
What'll happen if we can't forgive these people, Hi?
What'll happen if we forgive these people?
About the last 2 texts.
They're mixing the text with their emotions.
They apologize in public, they're fair.
That's enough reason to forgive them -
WishMunzta wrote: »So you say we've to forgive BR's/TR's? o.O
What'll happen if we can't forgive these people, Hi?
What'll happen if we forgive these people?
About the last 2 texts.
They're mixing the text with their emotions.
They apologize in public, they're fair.
That's enough reason to forgive them
You have to remember, they're human beings too. If we forgive them, and actually treat them nice, maybe they'll stop kicking you if you get a 3K. It's a chain reaction. Kind of like this:
1. English speaking players troll BRs for being laggers
2. BRs get mad and trash talk in Portuguese
3. English speaking players laugh at the BRs and degrade them with words like "foreign scum" for example
4. BRs get mad, and download hacks [so they can take out their pain and rage on English speaking players] They also start kicking English speaking players
5. English speaking players go on forums and flame BRs.
6. BRs come on forums and start flaming English speaking players
7. MODs come in and close the thread.
As you can see, nobody profited. If BRs were treated better, like human beings, they would give the same respect back. -
i think ure trying to hard to be a mod
and btw
tl;drjust to clarify, if you guys think that i am “copying” polleus, or that i am trying “way too hard to be a mod” (some critique that i have received from many forumers after posting my threads) you guys really should look at the big picture. I am making these threads in order to help the forums become a regular gaming forum, to an intelligent, nurturing, and promoting community or even a family. If you do not share these same ideas, but instead want to think in a negative manner, just don’t read this. Post a “cool story bro” or a “tl;dr” and show your lack of intelligence. Just remember, i called this before anything actually happened.
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What if they begin the trash talking?You have to remember, they're human beings too. If we forgive them, and actually treat them nice, maybe they'll stop kicking you if you get a 3K. It's a chain reaction. Kind of like this:
1. English speaking players troll BRs for being laggers
2. BRs get mad and trash talk in Portuguese
3. English speaking players laugh at the BRs and degrade them with words like "foreign scum" for example
4. BRs get mad, and download hacks [so they can take out their pain and rage on English speaking players] They also start kicking English speaking players
5. English speaking players go on forums and flame BRs.
6. BRs come on forums and start flaming English speaking players
7. MODs come in and close the thread.
As you can see, nobody profited. If BRs were treated better, like human beings, they would give the same respect back.
Example what they say: "you noob cuz you have low ping" -
Does this community possess the capacity to uphold an intelligent discussion without it resulting in a flame war yet?
Well, it worked on the first one with help with MODs cleaning it up. If the community doesn't possess this ability, I'd be more than disappointed.WishMunzta wrote: »What if they begin the trash talking?
Example what they say: "you noob cuz you have low ping"
Press:- Escape
- Block Chat
- User Name
- Yes
Easy as that. -
Lol, first off, we don't provoke these BR's. They provoke us just for being better. When I play, I am silent, I am even usually silent when people scream F11 F11 when I am getting vote kicked unless its the last round of a 13 round SND. We troll BR's on these forums because its a way of getting back at idiots. We don't degrade the BR's, they degrade themselves, they know this game is for people located in the US, but they still want to play, they can't play as well as others, so they download hacks. Its not because we are like stupid BR's go home, its because they are like FDP man idk how to play, i am a lagger, I should get hacks. Remove steps 1,2,3 and thats how it actually starts. With them being mad since their so bad. I don't think you know the process, probably maybe 1/10 NA players actually flame BR's for being bad on public chat, with the exception of when getting vote kicked.You have to remember, they're human beings too. If we forgive them, and actually treat them nice, maybe they'll stop kicking you if you get a 3K. It's a chain reaction. Kind of like this:
1. English speaking players troll BRs for being laggers
2. BRs get mad and trash talk in Portuguese
3. English speaking players laugh at the BRs and degrade them with words like "foreign scum" for example
4. BRs get mad, and download hacks [so they can take out their pain and rage on English speaking players] They also start kicking English speaking players
5. English speaking players go on forums and flame BRs.
6. BRs come on forums and start flaming English speaking players
7. MODs come in and close the thread.
As you can see, nobody profited. If BRs were treated better, like human beings, they would give the same respect back.
Also, you have to note that many Crossfire players are only high schoolers and also that there are a lot of wannabe ghetto gangstudz also, so this board is mainly high schoolers and gangstudz in my opinion. Intelligent discussion in my opinion won't happen, because why forgive the BR's? We gain no benefits, and its recurring, its not a one time thing. Does it make us feel better? "Oh I forgive these BR's for they not know what they do" no it doesn't. We have to face the BR problem and do our best to remove them from existanc
crossfire -
Lol, first off, we don't provoke these BR's. They provoke us just for being better. When I play, I am silent, I am even usually silent when people scream F11 F11 when I am getting vote kicked unless its the last round of a 13 round SND. We troll BR's on these forums because its a way of getting back at idiots. We don't degrade the BR's, they degrade themselves, they know this game is for people located in the US, but they still want to play, they can't play as well as others, so they download hacks. Its not because we are like stupid BR's go home, its because they are like FDP man idk how to play, i am a lagger, I should get hacks. Remove steps 1,2,3 and thats how it actually starts. With them being mad since their so bad. I don't think you know the process, probably maybe 1/10 NA players actually flame BR's for being bad on public chat, with the exception of when getting vote kicked.
You actually aren't the majority of the game. I was talking about the community as a whole. -
You actually aren't the majority of the game. I was talking about the community as a whole.
lol, when I see other NA players get kicked or get killed all they call BR's are laggers, theres nothing wrong with that.
and like I said they provoke first, you hear them typing "GRINGO GRINGO" "FDP" "PORRA" "****" "KIKA" if that isn't provocative, I don't know what is. Most of us are just playing and having fun owning BR's and then they get mad. -
TBH I never provoke a foreigner unless they just p1ss me off to an extent. When some BR gets a good/lucky head shot on me, I type "NS", which they usually respond to with "haha noob i pro fdp." But when they're blatantly hacking, I take a few/a lot of verbal shots at them, that tbh they can't even understand.
Some foreigners kick for no reason, scream hack, and are just plain annoying. I would treat them like "humans" if they stopped acting like animals.. -
lol, when I see other NA players get kicked or get killed all they call BR's are laggers, theres nothing wrong with that.
and like I said they provoke first, you hear them typing "GRINGO GRINGO" "FDP" "PORRA" "****" "KIKA" if that isn't provocative, I don't know what is. Most of us are just playing and having fun owning BR's and then they get mad.
Orly?
When you read the whole thread, it's going about forgiving people. Not making people mad. Do we have fun owning BR's? and get them mad?
I think the answer is no. We kill them, because they're ingame. We get a kill point when we kill them. It's the game. -
WishMunzta wrote: »Orly?
When you read the whole thread, it's going about forgiving people. Not making people mad. Do we have fun owning BR's? and get them mad?
I think the answer is no. We kill them, because they're ingame. We get a kill point when we kill them. It's the game.
I actually didn't read the whole thread, I scanned it. In order for most of us NA people to not make people mad, we have to quit CF, if thats what you're suggesting. BR's are just mad that quite a few NA players have generally better rigs then them and have a whole lot better ping then them. We can't change their viewpoint, but we don't hvae to change ours. I have fun owning BR's although it gets a bit repititve and annoying sometimes, I enjoy getting BR's mad if there are enough NA's to stop be from getting kicked. I'm not sure what point you're trying to get at. Don't you have fun owning nubs? and take a bit of relish when there like omg you hack?, its just not fun in this game because they just vote kick you right out. Thats why FFA is great : ).
And you're implying that you don't have fun owning BR's, is that true? When you kill a BR do you go "oh I am sorry, but in this first person shooter war video game, the objective is to kill you, please believe me, by the way I do not hack, I forgive you for getting killed and getting mad and getting me kicked, I really forgive you, kick me all you want, I want it that way" -
I don't like fighting low ranks or people that just began playing CF.I actually didn't read the whole thread, I scanned it. In order for most of us NA people to not make people mad, we have to quit CF, if thats what you're suggesting. BR's are just mad that quite a few NA players have generally better rigs then them and have a whole lot better ping then them. We can't change their viewpoint, but we don't hvae to change ours. I have fun owning BR's although it gets a bit repititve and annoying sometimes, I enjoy getting BR's mad if there are enough NA's to stop be from getting kicked. I'm not sure what point you're trying to get at. Don't you have fun owning nubs? and take a bit of relish when there like omg you hack?, its just not fun in this game because they just vote kick you right out. Thats why FFA is great : ). -
Then how come you don't like to own BR's???
They are not new, most of them are old, with farming accounts and alt accounts mainly for the purpose of trying to get GP guns. They just appear nub because they are simply bad at the game, it was not meant for them, it was meant for people in NA and Europe -
Actually this game's meant for only NA and UK People.Then how come you don't like to own BR's???
They are not new, most of them are old, with farming accounts and alt accounts mainly for the purpose of trying to get GP guns. They just appear nub because they are simply bad at the game, it was not meant for them, it was meant for people in NA and Europe
You can say it's also for Europe.
But then again Turks are still Europeans. -
What a nice read =w=.
Forgiveness to me is getting rid of all of the negative feelings brought on to you by a friend/acquaintances (usually idiotic) mistkate. You believe in mending or recreating the relationship, whereas I in some cases can forgive a person but refuse to reestablish the relationship.
I remember reading and posting in one of those "Sorry, I hacked" confessional threads. I believe my response was a thank you and something else irrelevant. I don't feel the need to forgive hackers; It's not because "they haven't done anything wrong" - oh, they have. It just feels that it isn't my place to forgive them & They are obviously prepared for the mass trolling, luls, jokes and hate they may receive because of their thread.
People/Forumers who come out and apologize recieve a thank you from me for honesty. They were honest about their mistake and are telling others that they hope to change or improve (2nd post) and would like to put it in their past. Which can perhaps inspire others to quit the hacks and go solo. Starting on a clean slate is possible minus the occasional jokes (such as post #1) recieved.
It is upsetting when people hack during torunaments because it's a time when you want to show off what you can achieve alone (with your team) without some 3rd party application. You also make your team/clan look bad and you disqualify a capable team.
People who decide to pursue Moderator titles who decide to ask for the community for forgiveness, Imo don't deserve a "second" chance. They can be forgiven for using hacks but said person cannot be forgiven for hypocricy.
+ Having lurked these forums... forgiveness depends on who exactly it is that is coming out of the closet. That's pretty obvious though: well liked = okay, we forgive you / disliked-troll = good ridance.
As for Brazilians I've played plenty of games with Brazilians and I don't hate them, instead I've adopted their use of jajaja and hushuhsauha.
I hope this was at least 1% of what you were looking for. -
Hi, the thing is, some Brs will follow the chain reaction of "Forgiveness" but some will not change, and might even fall down the ladder of shame even more. If some horrible evil BR thinks that he/she has earned our friendship, then he will hack/scream/rage/lag/smoke weed even more, thinking that we now think its ok. I do agree that some Brs will change, hell, i even have some decent Brs on my bl too. But, the thing is, they have "evolutionized" into the Br we see today
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Even if you befriend a Brazilian and they're a hacker in disguise they still know what they're doing is wrong even if they've made a friend during their short CF journey.
Why is it that hacks are always associated with Brazilians, they might be the majority but they're not the only ones hacking. -
Impressive Literary Work (that means "gJ")
Studies have shown that not forgiving may be linked to chronic wasting disease such as cancer.
In cultures where forgivenes is not a value, revenge killings often become a way of life.
USA culture has been based mainly on Judeo-Christian biblical values.... the ten commandments are basically the usa laws - no stealing no murder, one man one woman = marriage. As a part of this, forgiveness has also been incorporated into the value system - we see it in the courts, etc.
In some cultures there is no such thing as forgiveness. If one looks at the quality of life in cultures based on biblical values such as forgiveness, and cultures that dont even have the word "forgive" in their language, it is evident that the quality of life in biblically based countries far exceeds cultutres that are not based on values such as forgiveness. -
not all brs hak and not all Na's are fat donut eatersEven if you befriend a Brazilian and they're a hacker in disguise they still know what they're doing is wrong even if they've made a friend during their short CF journey.
Why is it that hacks are always associated with Brazilians, they might be the majority but they're not the only ones hacking.
I know some brs who have never hacked - wait i am one. and I know a beautiful br who is very forgiving - more forgiving loving and kind than any usa woman I have ever known (a lot). She is so kind and forgiving that I married her.
BTW there is a word for unforgivness in marriage - its called "divorce". divorce is horrible so lets all practice forgiveness, and have really good marriages. -
Hi, the thing is, some Brs will follow the chain reaction of "Forgiveness" but some will not change, and might even fall down the ladder of shame even more. If some horrible evil BR thinks that he/she has earned our friendship, then he will hack/scream/rage/lag/smoke weed even more, thinking that we now think its ok. I do agree that some Brs will change, hell, i even have some decent Brs on my bl too. But, the thing is, they have "evolutionized" into the Br we see today
Don't drop to their level. If you get kicked, tough luck. -
@ Yseus Had to brbgoogle cause you seemed like a bot but oh ya, religion.
Anyways, religion is another issue entirely I don't believe it matters in terms of hackers or forgiveness, laws, divorce. I don't want to jump into the subject of religion, so please don't quote me and go off-topic. -
ForgivenessI'm too forgiving, I can't stay angry at anybody
There can never be to much forgiveness, yes you don't want to be ignorant and just brush everything aside without resolving it. But without forgiveness no one could truly become friends, a true friends sticks through thick and thin which requires forgiveness to be real.I think that there are many of both, drawbacks and benefits from forgiveness. For one, there is a falling guilty feeling that you feel whenever you are reminded of what happened. Though you are forgiven, the conscience in your mind will and can not let it go if you were actually sincerely sorry about the action. I’ve compiled a little list to name a few:
Pro’s- you know that you have done all that you could, if you already have
- you can start a new relationship with the other person
- you live with a good conscience
- your mind will be in a state of peace
Con’s- scars never go away, you may be reminded of the event from time to time and feel sorry about it
- the casual friendship or relationship of yours may have turned, sort of awkward
- making up for something as bad as hurting their feelings is actually, pretty hard
I must strongly disagree that there would be any con's to being forgiven. When you're forgiven it's over, shouldn't be brought up again, and shouldn't affect the way you move forward. If you've truly repented and the person has forgiven you then that should be the end of the matter, period. -
@ Yseus Had to brbgoogle cause you seemed like a bot but oh ya, religion.
Anyways, religion is another issue entirely I don't believe it matters in terms of hackers or forgiveness, laws, divorce. I don't want to jump into the subject of religion, so please don't quote me and go off-topic.
You can get married with out believing in god
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