This is why we don't get nice things ;p
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I'm too tired/lazy to read the entire first post, but I got to say that I'm gettin'
kicked at least 50% of the time when I'm playing an Elemination game. Just because
I have a good KDR in-game, because I have a nice headset that is working better
than a wall hac.k, because my reaction time is quick etc...
To players: Plz stop kicking good and legit players, it's annoying... -
I'm too tired/lazy to read the entire first post, but I got to say that I'm gettin'
kicked at least 50% of the time when I'm playing an Elemination game. Just because
I have a good KDR in-game, because I have a nice headset that is working better
than a wall hac.k, because my reaction time is quick etc...
To players: Plz stop kicking good and legit players, it's annoying...
50%? u are so lucky! i get kiked at least 90% of the time when i am playing Ghost Mode! noobs dont know what PINPOINT or BHOP is! --' -
Lead by example, and like in life, maturity comes with experience of the good and bad one's action has on situations to reflect upon. Currently, they see no error in their ways and thats the problem. As a community, we can only lead by example, and obviously ignore or remove them if they can't respect such.
The rest is purely game mechanic additions to help that.
well then, my GG's and NS's are going to get undusted from now on ^^ -
well then, my GG's and NS's are going to get undusted from now on ^^
^..^ Good to hear. I probably use my X2 keys ( []Good Shot ) more than Bomb Spotted or Site Directions. Which usually lightens the mood for alot of players as it lets them know they are contributing and making good kills. Attitude goes a long way when its positive. This I know. -
^..^ Good to hear. I probably use my X2 keys ( []Good Shot ) more than Bomb Spotted or Site Directions. Which usually lightens the mood for alot of players as it lets them know they are contributing and making good kills. Attitude goes a long way when its positive. This I know.
I aways use X2 ([] Good Job) keys when ppl make a good kill or defuse de bomb, and i reply X1 ([] Roger) when they say [] Good job" -
50%? u are so lucky! i get kiked at least 90% of the time when i am playing Ghost Mode! noobs dont know what PINPOINT or BHOP is! --'
Part of the problem may be that with "Pro" in your IGN it probably puts a "kick me" target on your back. I am not saying it fair...but its just what people do. -
Part of the problem may be that with "Pro" in your IGN it probably puts a "kick me" target on your back. I am not saying it fair...but its just what people do.
Its an ego thing really. The word 'Pro' is supposed to be a symbol of skills and expertise. However it is a very relative factor as someone can be 'pro' but get beaten by another 'pro'. Does that make person A less of a pro? The term does get thrown around needlessly and to some it is rather annoying, probably just as much as the country tags people add to their name. Doubtful however that alone is a contributing factor to kicks to the situation. As I'm sure many will tell you, names don't matter if they are warranting you to being kicked. -
You aren't the only one to get treated like rubbish by Polish players. It happens to me too. You frag the same Polish player 3 times in a row- you get kicked. You headshot them 3 times in a row- you get kicked. You disagree with them that the player using a beretta isn't hacking but playing good- you get kicked. A friend of theirs wants to join but the room is full- you get kicked.
They show us foreigners as much respect as Brazilians do to north Americans. That's the way I see it.
Morale Of The Story:
Never empower teh under-dawg
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i have to agree with kelathe. vote kick is not helping the problem, so i will go with what others mentioned, host should be able to kick anyone. and there should be no penalty in terms of honour for leaving. i still had very good honour for nearly 1yr of crossfire and the hacks came so i dropped to average. whats the point? it would be nice if good honour was rewarded in some way rather than being a personal goal. and with the state the games been in only hackers won't leave games and keep good honour...
it also ties in to the ping problem, a few days back someone suggested to restrict the different servers, UK, west coast and original to their relevant IP's, that was then flamed by a mod for blaming a race of ppl and the thread was closed by another mod. IF z8 go to the expense of creating servers all over the world to enable ppl with similar pings to compete, why on earth is it wrong to suggest a ping limit on those servers? if its the case that ppl from the other end of the world can enter rooms and lag everyone and z8 don't want to set up regions then atleast give power to the room host so he can kick any high pingers instantly or obvious hackers, and not fail vote and they then leave the room and rejoin once the match started again, thats ludicrous. -
DrunknFunkn wrote: »i have to agree with kelathe. vote kick is not helping the problem, so i will go with what others mentioned, host should be able to kick anyone. and there should be no penalty in terms of honour for leaving. i still had very good honour for nearly 1yr of crossfire and the hacks came so i dropped to average. whats the point? it would be nice if good honour was rewarded in some way rather than being a personal goal. and with the state the games been in only hackers won't leave games and keep good honour...
it also ties in to the ping problem, a few days back someone suggested to restrict the different servers, UK, west coast and original to their relevant IP's, that was then flamed by a mod for blaming a race of ppl and the thread was closed by another mod. IF z8 go to the expense of creating servers all over the world to enable ppl with similar pings to compete, why on earth is it wrong to suggest a ping limit on those servers? if its the case that ppl from the other end of the world can enter rooms and lag everyone and z8 don't want to set up regions then atleast give power to the room host so he can kick any high pingers instantly or obvious hackers, and not fail vote and they then leave the room and rejoin once the match started again, thats ludicrous.
Personally I don't see what your really agreeing with me on. The vote kick isn't the problem, its the people who use it. It shouldn't matter if its there or not, and people should realize that unless a true hacker comes in. The host can kick anyone from a room before and after a game. That's all the power they need.
Chances are either honour is going to be used, or going to be removed. There's no saying if it will ever have any uses other than bragging rights.
Also, everyone basically wants ping limit options, however chances are the thread was closed for the flaming against said race for no particular merit necessary. Not because the suggestion was bad. If you knew anything about the company, they can't just slap a server anywhere they want. They have to get special permissions and money, that they haven't gotten in ALOT of places.
Chances are such things are being worked on, however thats not for the topic at hand. Currently, even so, player disrespect is rampant and thats what is causing the kick vote abuse. -
well then your just flaming... thought i'd join in ( the guy was simply tired of high pingers and never said the B word... the mod did and raged a lot more than the original poster.) the before and after is the problem, many laggers and hackers leave instantly after a round just to rejoin later.
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DrunknFunkn wrote: »well then your just flaming... thought i'd join in ( the guy was simply tired of high pingers and never said the B word... the mod did and raged a lot more than the original poster.
Your the first so far to think such. But who am I flaming exactly hm? I'm not targeting any specific race, nationality, type of person or such. I am simply stating that people, probably like yourself, have a need of an attitude adjustment. Instead of flaming, contribute. What do YOU plan to do about this problem? Or, typically ignore it and let it slide? -
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DrunknFunkn wrote: »vote kick does fail as you can only vote kick own team, thats a restriction to prevent abuse obviously, but atleast the room host should have that option. if the room host is a fool ppl leave with no penalty, he plays alone and ppl find good rooms.
How does it fail? The people who don't kick the hackers are the ones that fail. Not the system. And why is it restricted to your own team? Well, for the same reason, so kids that cry don't have the chance to kick opposite good players as well. Different version actually have such an option for special people, but doubtful it will ever come with how much its abused even with this limited one.
The host, as said, can kick before and after a game starts, the rest is up to the players in game to deal with a hacker. You always have a choice to leave anyways. -
i don't actually think your flaming, but its what it comes down too, its the communitys fault.... meh, i think there could be positive changes that would prevent the kind of major hacking happen simply by changing a bit the way the game is set up, ex. remove honour. maybe even only allow 1 account but give it 3 characters and ban all ppl who use multys... you'll get rid of a huge amount of cheaters fast
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Instead of a "Vote: Kick"...it might be fun if we had a "Vote: Strip of weapons, uniform, and chat". Instead of kicking the player, weapons would be removed, chat blocked... so they can just run around the map in their tighty-whities getting shot until they decide to RQ. Oh wait...didn't think through the part of SPOP and STAR wearing tightywhities. hmmmm
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You aren't the only one to get treated like rubbish by Polish players. It happens to me too. You frag the same Polish player 3 times in a row- you get kicked. You headshot them 3 times in a row- you get kicked. You disagree with them that the player using a beretta isn't hacking but playing good- you get kicked. A friend of theirs wants to join but the room is full- you get kicked.
They show us foreigners as much respect as Brazilians do to north Americans. That's the way I see it.
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[MOD]Giggletron wrote: »Very good points. However... removing the kick vote will not solve all the problems. What happens if there IS a hacker? With no kick-vote... what do you do?
Removing the kick vote woud cause more problems than benefits... It is simply the community abusing it for the points Kelathe pointed out.
Children... raging that someone is doing better or being ignorant enough to think a legit player is hacking. Mature players are a hell of alot more intelligent and can easily tell between a hacker and a good player.
And if it isnt for the reasons above, then its for next to no reason at all.
An example of this is when me and Rory were playing in a GM with some polish players. We were both kicked without even noticing... noone was screaming F11.
It really is purely a lack of respect for other players. They see it as a name... a character on the screen... no a person wanting to play a few games before work, or school/college/university or to play for fun. Why should they care if youre out of the game?
In the end it is pure immaturity. Generally I find that the people that DONT kick when theres a good player in the room are people who speak English as their first language (or speak it well) and are generally above the age or 15-16
Why don't you put in the terms of use, no kicking if they know they don't hack or something 0_o
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tomtom12121 wrote: »Why don't you put in the terms of use, no kicking if they know they don't hack or something 0_o
Hard for another solution.
The problem is, so far there's nothing showing proof who votes and who doesn't and the person being kicked wouldn't know who started it either. So they would have to develop something along that.
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So kicks on legitimate players can be passed even easier? The vote kick cannot be modified to be fair because it is the bad community that is causing the issues.ThePassword wrote: »This is why vote kick should be 9 to make a kick,
And who abides by or even reads the ToS?tomtom12121 wrote: »Why don't you put in the terms of use, no kicking if they know they don't hack or something 0_o
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It's well known for a long time that good players always get kicked on public.
Most cF players are kidz and getting impressed by good scores and frags.
There's a pretty easy way to get along with this problem.
1. Quit cF (like I did)
2. Just play WOGL/ESL, Pugs or with people you know.
To the Kick-Vote solutions:
I don't think that the kidz that kick you will care about honor etc
They will go on kicking everyone who seems to be better than they are.
And removing the Kick-Vote is just a favor for hacker, glitcher... so either useless.
Conclusion:
-> Keep the Kick-Vote ingame and everyone who is getting annoyed by getting kicked chose one of the mentioned solutions. -
So kicks on legitimate players can be passed even easier? The vote kick cannot be modified to be fair because it is the bad community that is causing the issues.
And who abides by or even reads the ToS?
I do my best to abide by the ToS as much as possible.It's well known for a long time that good players always get kicked on public.
Most cF players are kidz and getting impressed by good scores and frags.
There's a pretty easy way to get along with this problem.
1. Quit cF (like I did)
2. Just play WOGL/ESL, Pugs or with people you know.
To the Kick-Vote solutions:
I don't think that the kidz that kick you will care about honor etc
They will go on kicking everyone who seems to be better than they are.
And removing the Kick-Vote is just a favor for hacker, glitcher... so either useless.
Conclusion:
-> Keep the Kick-Vote ingame and everyone who is getting annoyed by getting kicked chose one of the mentioned solutions.
Personally quitting CF isn't something I plan to do anytime soon. Though as mentioned before, different ways to deal with hackers should be implemented in terms of player interaction, or even just allowing them free leaves.You're complaining about psuedo-moralities in an online video game, with target age in mind being angsty teenagers. Yes, because little kids logging on to pop heads should be expected to have matured.
Sounds logical enough.
Psudeo-moralities? You saying people don't have such mentalities ever? It doesn't matter what enviornment a person is in, or what age group they are, especially if they are supposed to be within the target age group, maturity is indeed expected. I wouldn't expect McDonald's employees to act like childish snobs because they serve happy meals and toys. God knows how many teens are employed in such areas.
Not saying its only teenagers too, bet there's a good number of them who are older. But hey, guess what? Not everyone is like that, how is CF China, probably consisting of about 20x or more in terms of teenage players and overall population can be alot more mature, hm? That is also how I can expect such here as well, because its possible there, and alot more spread out as well. You can ask just about anyone, in terms of player community, it generally is low grade compared to other games, even compared to other versions. Care to explain?
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