To Z8 Corp/ Smilegate
Hi there,
So I've seen the mass of threads complaining about hacks, and annoyed NAs wanting their own server, and i felt inclined to make a small suggestion:
before i begin i want to make this clear, any flamers or trolls are honestly not welcome, if you start being abusive or racist or particularly derogatory about any ethnic group its unacceptable.
also tl:dr is not a reply, if you could avoid this, much love.
i would also post in suggestions, but threads in suggestions get very few hits...
As i understand it, any suggestions made to NACF from its community go to z8 first. z8 then choose worthy suggestions or suggestions that they can see implemented and forward those to smilegate.
smilegate being a korean based software development company. Smilegate also cater to the various other versions of Crossfire, which have very differing issues to our own. there are still plenty of scriptkiddies (they are not hackers, these kids go and buy the hack script/injector, calling them hackers is complimenting them...) in these other versions.
several of the other versions have attempted to solve this issue by restricting their issue of CF to their own country. i am not suggesting we do this. obviously each version of CF is different - how it spread and became popular in its country of origin. so each must continue to be treated differently. however our version of crossfire must be acknowledged as the most ethnically diverse version of CF and so must be treated as such. with respect to every players national identity. that means EVERY country. Now i realise that implementing a server for every region would not be cost effective, and that licensing issues stop you from creating servers in other countries ( otherwise im sure you would have opened other servers in other countries, not for the love but for the money).
what a very many players wish for is for a few servers to be restricted to their country of origin. obviously you cant do that for the ones in india or in brasil. but it makes sense to restrict one or two servers. Financially, you are losing paying customers because you are not supporting the consumer - company relationship, whilst you may also be gaining players from other places, these players may never become the consumers you are attempting to entice.
you also have to look at the competitive community not just the paying community. CF is the biggest F2P FPS. we(the players) have made it so. the main competitive community base is in Western Europe and North America.
A server restriction to this sort of area would make a very many people happy, albeit not what they were asking for, but youre good at giving almost what they want but not quite.
SO: 2 servers is all that are asked for: one UK based server and one NA based server. I go ingame and i see that UK3 is empty, Foxtrot is empty. if you implement it so that those two servers are restricted to North America AND Europe, (so Foxtrot would extend accross the atlantic to europe and vice versa to UK3 ) you would be satisfying a few customers hearts and minds for a short time.
this would certainly satisfy the NAs and Euros, and its been a while hasnt it?
you have been catering to the Southern americans overtly recently, perhaps forgetting over half of your customer base.
so thanks for reading.
So I've seen the mass of threads complaining about hacks, and annoyed NAs wanting their own server, and i felt inclined to make a small suggestion:
before i begin i want to make this clear, any flamers or trolls are honestly not welcome, if you start being abusive or racist or particularly derogatory about any ethnic group its unacceptable.
also tl:dr is not a reply, if you could avoid this, much love.
i would also post in suggestions, but threads in suggestions get very few hits...
As i understand it, any suggestions made to NACF from its community go to z8 first. z8 then choose worthy suggestions or suggestions that they can see implemented and forward those to smilegate.
smilegate being a korean based software development company. Smilegate also cater to the various other versions of Crossfire, which have very differing issues to our own. there are still plenty of scriptkiddies (they are not hackers, these kids go and buy the hack script/injector, calling them hackers is complimenting them...) in these other versions.
several of the other versions have attempted to solve this issue by restricting their issue of CF to their own country. i am not suggesting we do this. obviously each version of CF is different - how it spread and became popular in its country of origin. so each must continue to be treated differently. however our version of crossfire must be acknowledged as the most ethnically diverse version of CF and so must be treated as such. with respect to every players national identity. that means EVERY country. Now i realise that implementing a server for every region would not be cost effective, and that licensing issues stop you from creating servers in other countries ( otherwise im sure you would have opened other servers in other countries, not for the love but for the money).
what a very many players wish for is for a few servers to be restricted to their country of origin. obviously you cant do that for the ones in india or in brasil. but it makes sense to restrict one or two servers. Financially, you are losing paying customers because you are not supporting the consumer - company relationship, whilst you may also be gaining players from other places, these players may never become the consumers you are attempting to entice.
you also have to look at the competitive community not just the paying community. CF is the biggest F2P FPS. we(the players) have made it so. the main competitive community base is in Western Europe and North America.
A server restriction to this sort of area would make a very many people happy, albeit not what they were asking for, but youre good at giving almost what they want but not quite.
SO: 2 servers is all that are asked for: one UK based server and one NA based server. I go ingame and i see that UK3 is empty, Foxtrot is empty. if you implement it so that those two servers are restricted to North America AND Europe, (so Foxtrot would extend accross the atlantic to europe and vice versa to UK3 ) you would be satisfying a few customers hearts and minds for a short time.
this would certainly satisfy the NAs and Euros, and its been a while hasnt it?
you have been catering to the Southern americans overtly recently, perhaps forgetting over half of your customer base.
so thanks for reading.
Comments
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its not a story of an NA server only. its the classic NA server Comes to Europe, meets UK server3 and they share their love across the ocean.
the servers i suggest are restricted both to NA and Western Europe. saves the hassle of extra coding, makes the competitive community happy, makes the NAs and Euros happy.
also im laying the groundwork for my suggestion. a good argument consists of a good base, intelligent comments, and covering the variables. i have attempted to do so here. -
the servers i suggest are restricted both to NA and Western Europe. saves the hassle of extra coding, makes the competitive community happy, makes the NAs and Euros happy.
Yep, euro servers only and NA servers only would be a nice idea. -
What I fail to understand with some of these games, is the licensing. Based of my experience with another gaming company who hit some licensing snags and tried to ban all Euro-IP's from an MMORPG, the zones are broken down as,- NA(Mexico, United States, Canada, Alaska(Hawaii), And, Europe(Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, Netherlands, Denmark, and sometimes the UK) And all the different Asian countries respectively. What I'm not getting is..That leaves Southern America(Brasil and so on) As well as many Euro-Nations(Poland, sometimes Finland ect.) To invade the other versions. So why not expand the EU licenses and Version to cover just that, the EU, all of ya, and, take and make an SA Version? It seems we're inviting these troubles by leaving out countries and welcoming a large player base that doesn't speak the default language, which invites it's own problems.
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something like this maybe:
It will probably give both UK and NA players about 40-70 Ping.
But How the heck are they gonna put a server in the ocean?
Oil Rig ? ^^
I support this Idea with capped servers,
they are highly needed and CF actually loose an big amount
of players (Mostly ZP Buyers) when we can't get an fair match
(No lag/etc)
Your writing this suggestion or more like an demand on an
very good way so they should atleast read it.
But then we know how Z8 is and theirs respond on *capped* servers
so i highly doubt they are gonna do it.Sad. -
Hi there,
So I've seen the mass of threads complaining about hacks, and annoyed NAs wanting their own server, and i felt inclined to make a small suggestion:
before i begin i want to make this clear, any flamers or trolls are honestly not welcome, if you start being abusive or racist or particularly derogatory about any ethnic group its unacceptable.
also tl:dr is not a reply, if you could avoid this, much love.
i would also post in suggestions, but threads in suggestions get very few hits...
As i understand it, any suggestions made to NACF from its community go to z8 first. z8 then choose worthy suggestions or suggestions that they can see implemented and forward those to smilegate.
smilegate being a korean based software development company. Smilegate also cater to the various other versions of Crossfire, which have very differing issues to our own. there are still plenty of scriptkiddies (they are not hackers, these kids go and buy the hack script/injector, calling them hackers is complimenting them...) in these other versions.
several of the other versions have attempted to solve this issue by restricting their issue of CF to their own country. i am not suggesting we do this. obviously each version of CF is different - how it spread and became popular in its country of origin. so each must continue to be treated differently. however our version of crossfire must be acknowledged as the most ethnically diverse version of CF and so must be treated as such. with respect to every players national identity. that means EVERY country. Now i realise that implementing a server for every region would not be cost effective, and that licensing issues stop you from creating servers in other countries ( otherwise im sure you would have opened other servers in other countries, not for the love but for the money).
what a very many players wish for is for a few servers to be restricted to their country of origin. obviously you cant do that for the ones in india or in brasil. but it makes sense to restrict one or two servers. Financially, you are losing paying customers because you are not supporting the consumer - company relationship, whilst you may also be gaining players from other places, these players may never become the consumers you are attempting to entice.
you also have to look at the competitive community not just the paying community. CF is the biggest F2P FPS. we(the players) have made it so. the main competitive community base is in Western Europe and North America.
A server restriction to this sort of area would make a very many people happy, albeit not what they were asking for, but youre good at giving almost what they want but not quite.
SO: 2 servers is all that are asked for: one UK based server and one NA based server. I go ingame and i see that UK3 is empty, Foxtrot is empty. if you implement it so that those two servers are restricted to North America AND Europe, (so Foxtrot would extend accross the atlantic to europe and vice versa to UK3 ) you would be satisfying a few customers hearts and minds for a short time.
this would certainly satisfy the NAs and Euros, and its been a while hasnt it?
you have been catering to the Southern americans overtly recently, perhaps forgetting over half of your customer base.
so thanks for reading.
I actually read the whole thing and I have to say this is a great idea, but really anything right now will help considering the situation of the hacks... -
Pro_VoltagE wrote: »firstly i think ip banning because of where someone lives is very unfair as everyone should be able to play no matter where they live. and z8games really need to sort out the hackers
+/- 10.
Youre right... But i hate haccers.... You need to see that 4 clans in top of clan are Brazilian.... And 1 Romanian.... If you Ip ban those clan dissappear. AND 2 turk clans. And 1 Portuguese (Damn im a nabb portugal is in Europe). -
something like this maybe:
It will probably give both UK and NA players about 40-70 Ping.
But How the heck are they gonna put a server in the ocean?
Ever heard about those floating electrical powerplants? :P
They put them in the sea, and the water keeps them running.
Do That Z8!! (LOL, that must be quite expensive :P)
But @ TS i like your idea alot
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+1, we should make a petition. Just one server restricted to NA only. As for NA and UK in a server in the middle of an ocean, thats not going to happen lol, and only the east coast and UK will get good pings, people in cali would have a terrible time playing.
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IMO you shouldn't ban finns from the UK-only server. I mean, you allow Sweden but not Finland?
Finnish people get 80 ping in UK3, that's understandable that you guys don't want us there. But...
we get 60 ping in UK1. Is that too high? If you could make the location the same as it is on UK1, we could enjoy it too
. And I can assure that 99.9% of the finnish players are legit.
Just please don't cut me out
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Would have been nice to see some capital letters so I could read it quicker. But meh.
Btw, Z8 is just a portal, the Company where Saidin and them work is G4Box. It's always better in these kind of posts to be as specific as possible.
And about "losing players", you see people leave on the forums, but the forums don't even make a scratch in the actual amount of people in the game. And for everyone who leaves, there's always someone new.
Now, while the lag problem is an issue for some people, we haven't blocked countries (which I know isn't what you are discussing) because it would be unfair.
However, you would like servers that restrict to certain criteria. Well, it isn't a 1 step process. Things in the office are always being done to make your gaming experience better, BUT these take time and are kept a secret because it's better to put something out that will only be 5% buggy than 80% buggy.
Things are always being done, whether you know it or not, so be patient, and wait to see what comes.
I'm not saying we're looking into making this kind of server. But they are always comming up with some kind of idea.
And I appreciated you actually used punctuation in your post unlike many of these threads, but I also ask if people when they do these kind of threads to think it out first, do research, and use correct grammar structure. -
+1, we should make a petition. Just one server restricted to NA only. As for NA and UK in a server in the middle of an ocean, thats not going to happen lol, and only the east coast and UK will get good pings, people in cali would have a terrible time playing.
Petitions are not allowed on this forum, and have no effect on this game. -
Would have been nice to see some capital letters so I could read it quicker. But meh.
Btw, Z8 is just a portal, the Company where Saidin and them work is G4Box. It's always better in these kind of posts to be as specific as possible.
And about "losing players", you see people leave on the forums, but the forums don't even make a scratch in the actual amount of people in the game. And for everyone who leaves, there's always someone new.
Now, while the lag problem is an issue for some people, we haven't blocked countries (which I know isn't what you are discussing) because it would be unfair.
However, you would like servers that restrict to certain criteria. Well, it isn't a 1 step process. Things in the office are always being done to make your gaming experience better, BUT these take time and are kept a secret because it's better to put something out that will only be 5% buggy than 80% buggy.
Things are always being done, whether you know it or not, so be patient, and wait to see what comes.
I'm not saying we're looking into making this kind of server. But they are always comming up with some kind of idea.
And I appreciated you actually used punctuation in your post unlike alot of ragers, but I also ask if people when they do these kind of threads to think it out first, do research, and use correct grammar structure.
was kinda hoping for a little less arrogance but what the hey.
oh and for what its worth i actually do english at university and i wrote that about 10 minutes before i caught a train. grammar and capitals were really the least of my concerns.
Z8 games is the face of the portal. if i choose to direct comments at the face, im to hope that those comments will eventually reach the portal itself and further. you follow my logic there?
if so, lets proceed. youll note that im deliberately missing capitals now?
I may not have phrased it properly when i said that G4box was losing custom - allow me to explain - Your current paying customers are a lot less likely to spend money, new customers may come but your current customers are equally important as future customers. I could swear i didn't even mention people from the forums. i made a mention of the rage threads at the beginning of this thread, but nothing further.
Thing is its not a lag issue. You know that, we know that. It's far more than that, competitive play is disrupted, a majority of hackers (you brought up the subject not me) are from outside the suggested area. Yes you see hackers from all over, I'm not denying that, but only a real fool would deny that the majority are from outside Western Europe and North America.
The main suggestion was that we implement these servers for reasons threefold:
1. We calm the community, they recieve something of actual worth, last time anything that good happened was the UK servers.
2. Competitive play in the major spheres is allowed to continue, on a lot more, hah, competitive basis.
3. The major influences of 'Hacks' are no longer in this area.
Fair. Nice word that. I could use the same word in the sentance with 'Customer Relations' or put 'Fair' in front of 'Play' because frankly thats not FAIR now is it? For your information - Support tickets go stale because replies are so long overdue, look at the current situation with hacks.
Fair. Good word.
Things are always happening in the office. Hell it could be fun and games in the office, we dont know that do we. We see so and so has been implemented, game crashes and goes down for a week or so. So that percentage comment is a bit, you know, random.
Also this isn't a rage thread, and to be honest if you think it is then you really don't deserve that MOD permission. Please learn to tell the simple difference between explanation and suggestion, and a rage thread.
Also your spelling leaves something to be desired. That H word springs to mind, and I was tempted to use it, except I'm not really that petty AND I have a good argument. What you were saying, well maybe talk to the office and see what they say.
Oh and I just got back from London. Happy Holiday. -
I don't see how "competitive" play gets disturbed. There's Leagues and Pugs going on, if you want a good play without randoms, and fair ping wise, join one.
Z8Games is a portal, but the fact is, it is only the name of a website basically. Addressing the people I would see, would be much more "professional" approach.
The fact of why I mentioned the forums, is because that is the only true way you can see "statistics." The fact is, you have no idea the number of people leaving, staying, comming etc.
And in my post, I did NOT call this a rage thread. I was comparing you TO the rage threads BECAUSE people don't like to use proper grammar so we can actually understand them. If you want to actually do something, you want to do it top notch.
Edit:
There are MANY suggestions. And some quite similar to this. But it does not help making many threads on the same subject. What people have to understand is that they KNOW what people would like, but it isn't always what they want to do. You don't think I've suggested stuff? They way I see it, is not servers limited off, but ping limited rooms would be best.
People have to be patient, they need to trust that things are going on.
Edit 2:
I don't see how you think I'm showing arrogance. All I simply stated was one:
1) The statistics of money coming in and players leaving/joining can not be determined by someone not in the office.
2) When we see these kind of threads, we want them to go somewhere, and be very well thought out and clear. Not a quick job, some people can get really far in these, such as Polleus: http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=98841 , Kelathe http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=98433 , and even Bruce and his Clan Server suggestions, Which I can not find atm.
3) I'm simply also stating that things always ARE being worked on. When I say this, you must understand as we get threads always stating to do certain things like this. I'm not being arrogant. I'm simply stating what there is to say.
Edit 3:
Btw, I updated my main post so I could be more clear in what I meant by comparing.
Sorry, I know that probably was taken the wrong way because of how I stated that, so that is my fault, and I apologize for you taking it the wrong way. -
1 way to stop the crap
ping caps are the only thing that would keep the non-NA/UK out. this has been implemented in more online games than you can count on your fingers, toes and other appendages.
you wouldnt even need the cap set ridiculously low. a cap of 150 would suffice. a cap of 100 would make even more people happy but then more would get kicked from rooms just for being better.
i am so tired of hearing people say ip bans. i dont know how tech-savvy you are but i can change my ip in less than 2 minutes. you would ban someone for 5 minutes tops.
you may not like my post or my non-capitalization. i do not care. i dont get paid for my typing skills and you do get my point without correct punctuation.
btw, i do get kinda pizzed off when my $75 internet connection, my $1200 pc and my 10+ years experience playing fps games gets walked on by a speeder, a waller, an autoaim, and 1 shot kill. add to the cheating by throwing in some 200+ pingers(that may be cheating) and you have a person ready to go find yet another game to play. i know i am not the only one in this position. many people playing are not new to fps games. i played the original doom -
DeathlessX wrote: »This game is going to hell for sure.
99% of the Brasillians and Turks use hack.
Solution ? Just ban IP from Brasil and Turkey.
And make them a server. So they can have hack vs hack, they should really love it and see how "fun" it is.
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