Scar Light , M12s, Kriss Super V, Thompson
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SadJellopy wrote: »Way to completely dodge my response. Besides, the Desert Eagle-Scope is pretty much inferior to the Desert Eagle-Camo, which is a GP crate.
Cry more.
Hell no. I agree with EVERYONE against FriedBrain (Silencer rocks at namin nubs), but not that. Desert Scope = Scope, same clip size as camo, almost as good reload, ect.
And btw, AWM is NOT noob. AWM is one of the hardest-to-use weps, assuming you are not being some nub and camping halfway across the screen with it.
I get immense satifasction from quick scoping M12s noobs close range while they rush me, and getting called a ***XOR FDP. -
Okay, you just listed the qualities of an OP gun, I think we have already done that before. And I ask why M4-C's, M4's, Deagles, AK's, AWM don't fall into OP guns category. OP guns you say excel in most/all attributes, but are not the best in them. AWM is at least 4x stronger than the SL, M12s, etc, 1shot most of body, and has ability to zoom in. M4, many say, is an all-around gun. Deagle, is an all-around gun too, which is at least 2x stronger than rifles. You must be saying the OP guns = all-around guns?
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AWM had disadvantages. Which are slow firing rate and reload, and you need to actually aim with it. Its also heavy.
M4 has low firepower, and the recoil isn't so low or high. Deagle has low ammo and you need about a full clip to kill at long range. M4-C has low firepower as well, slower firing rate, and higher recoil that kicks in faster too.
Unlike the M12s and Scar light which their only disadvantages are the sounds they make...
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You DO need to aim for ANY gun, even SL, M12s, Kriss, Thompson, AWM
M4 is as strong or stronger than SL, M12s. The ROF/recoil is pretty good too.
No, Deagle barely loses damage over range. ~3 ammo to kill, and you even get a bonus of +2/3 with adv. AND Deagle has low ammo? compared to what?
M4-C has silencer, just as light, pinpoint accuracy,good dmg, same recoil as M4.
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FriedBanana wrote: »Okay, you just listed the qualities of an OP gun, I think we have already done that before. And I ask why M4-C's, M4's, Deagles, AK's, AWM don't fall into OP guns category. OP guns you say excel in most/all attributes, but are not the best in them. AWM is at least 4x stronger than the SL, M12s, etc, 1shot most of body, and has ability to zoom in. M4, many say, is an all-around gun. Deagle, is an all-around gun too, which is at least 2x stronger than rifles. You must be saying the OP guns = all-around guns?
OP guns are commonly defined as the guns that have an excessive amount of con's and no pro's. For example, AK47 has the best rifle damage in the game (that is the pro), but it has a somewhat slow firing rate and high recoil which makes you aim and burst at the same time (con) and that's why AK47 is balanced.
Now, M12s has no damage loss over range, extremely fast firing rate (which is not that bad because it's an smg), too much power for a submachine gun, literally no recoil, a clip of 40 bullets (which should be .45 ACP or 9mm having in mind that this is a gun developed in Asia in the 70's and is quite old). And here come con's of the gun:
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None at all.
The scar light is a modern rifle, and should be good but not overpowered. The recoil is way too good for the size of the bullets it uses, it reloads lightning-fast, has a damage slightly lower than the AK47.
Now the con's of the SL:
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The Kriss Super Vector, and the Thompson are rare crate guns. Which means you have to spend a serious amount of GP/ZP to get these weapons, unless you're very lucky. And, nobody is forcing you to buy ZP. If you buy ZP, well you're buying yourself a slight advantage over your enemy. Though, anyone that sets their mind to it, can easily win against a ZP user, no matter what she/he has.
This is my opinion, and I would like you to respect it.
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FriedBanana wrote: »You DO need to aim for ANY gun, even SL, M12s, Kriss, Thompson, AWM
M4 is as strong or stronger than SL, M12s. The ROF/recoil is pretty good too.
No Deagle barely loses damage over range. ~3 ammo to kill, and you even get a bonus of +2/3 with adv. AND Deagle has low ammo? compared to what?
M4-C has silencer, just as light, pinpoint accuracy, same recoil as M4.
Each gun you say that has disadvantages, has superb advantages.
People that use the SL and M12s mostly spray and always get lucky headshots.
M4 is an average gun.
SL has low recoil, high power thats almost the same as the AK, fast firing rate, tight spray pattern, and a really fast reload.
Also I've seen deagle kill with 6 shots at long range. I've tested it with my Deagle-Scope. Its ammo is low and if you dont make your shots count you're pretty fcked.
Also if you test the M4 and M4-C, M4-C has higher recoil...and it kicks in way faster. Also slower firing rate since it has a silencer. The only pro that I see is helpful is the accuracy.
OP guns have way more advantages than disadvantages. You cant say M4 and AWM are OP...its kind of stupid...
No disrespect but if you think weapons like the M4, AWM and Deagle are OP...you might as well uninstall.
M4 has the same # of cons and pros.
AWM has more cons than pros.
Deagle has same # of cons and pros.
Scar Light, Tommy, Kriss, and M12s have way more cons than pros.
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OP guns are commonly defined as the guns that have an excessive amount of con's and no pro's. For example, AK47 has the best rifle damage in the game (that is the pro), but it has a somewhat slow firing rate and high recoil which makes you aim and burst at the same time (con) and that's why AK47 is balanced.
Now, M12s has no damage loss over range, extremely fast firing rate (which is not that bad because it's an smg), too much power for a submachine gun, literally no recoil, a clip of 40 bullets (which should be .45 ACP or 9mm having in mind that this is a gun developed in Asia in the 70's and is quite old). And here come con's of the gun:
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None at all.
The scar light is a modern rifle, and should be good but not overpowered. The recoil is way too good for the size of the bullets it uses, it reloads lightning-fast, has a damage slightly lower than the AK47.
Now the con's of the SL:
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The Kriss Super Vector, and the Thompson are rare crate guns. Which means you have to spend a serious amount of GP/ZP to get these weapons, unless you're very lucky. And, nobody is forcing you to buy ZP. If you buy ZP, well you're buying yourself a slight advantage over your enemy. Though, anyone that sets their mind to it, can easily win against a ZP user, no matter what she/he has.
This is my opinion, and I would like you to respect it.
Id say +1, but thats not good enough for this post... *Claps* So true. Hit the nail on the head, again. And again. And again. Until it begged for mercy. Then you hit it again for luck. -
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L0LSmilyFace wrote: »
People that use the SL and M12s mostly spray and always get lucky headshots.
M4 is an average gun.
SL has low recoil, high power thats almost the same as the AK, fast firing rate, tight spray pattern, and a really fast reload.
Also I've seen deagle kill with 6 shots at long range. I've tested it with my Deagle-Scope. Its ammo is low and if you dont make your shots count you're pretty fcked.
Also if you test the M4 and M4-C, M4-C has higher recoil...and it kicks in way faster. Also slower firing rate since it has a silencer. The only pro that I see is helpful is the accuracy.
OP guns have way more advantages than disadvantages. You cant say M4 and AWM are OP...its kind of stupid...
No disrespect but if you think weapons like the M4, AWM and Deagle are OP...you might as well uninstall.
M4 has the same # of cons and pros.
AWM has more cons than pros.
Deagle has same # of cons and pros.
Scar Light, Tommy, Kriss, and M12s have way more cons than pros.
ALSO imo i think the awm is not even OP i mean sure its usually a 1 hit kill but hey...
ITS A SNIPER its suppose to 1 hit kill and even THEN when you shoot you will probably get 80 dammage >.> so imo its not a noob weapon (and i know YOU didnt call it noob im just supporting you) -
CallMeSoul wrote: »dude QQ just becuz your too poor to get zp doesnt mean you have to troll and btw you brs fail
I do surveys and get loads of zp cuz I really want AK-Scope, so that's not why I troll. I do it because there are just some people in this game that NEED to be trolled, as in most of the posters in this thread.
And I'm not a BR. Actually, in games with friends we kick the BRs as soon as they join.
Also, way to totally dodge the point. -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Pfft...those are so OP. Omg nerf. NOW.
Isn't the Anaconda/Adv 1 damage per hit at long range? lol
Errrr, whatdfbbq?
You say 3-6 shots kill long range for deagle is a con.
Yet I say that is 10x better than all the other pistols/ even some rifles.
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I do surveys and get loads of zp cuz I really want AK-Scope, so that's not why I troll. I do it because there are just some people in this game that NEED to be trolled, as in most of the posters in this thread.
And I'm not a BR. Actually, in games with friends we kick the BRs as soon as they join.
Also, way to totally dodge the point.
.... You realize its you and Fried Brain against the whole Z8 forums community, right? No one is siding with you two.. Basically your defending noob cannons. -
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FriedBanana wrote: »Errrr, whatdfbbq?
You say 3-6 shots kill long range for deagle is a con.
Yet I say that is 10x better than all the other pistols/ even some rifles.
I did not say these pistols were OP
No. Don't be a idiot.. Rifles are ALL better then deagle at long range. Name one, fully repaired, that is worse. A RIFLE. RIFLE.
3-6 shots long range with the other person moving with a 6 shot clip. So how is this OP? It takes a lot of skill at aiming. -
FriedBanana wrote: »Errrr, whatdfbbq?
You say 3-6 shots kill long range for deagle is a con.
Yet I say that is 10x better than all the other pistols/ even some rifles.
I did not say these pistols were OP
Well since it takes a little bit more than half a clip it KINDA is. Im not saying it sucks also...im just saying its not OP. Its a balanced gun like the M4, AK47 and AWM.
Btw to get things clear...I got nothing against you :P
Just gotta get out of the way. Its your opinion and I respect it.
And my opinion is that M4 AK47 etc aren't OP for obvious reasons.
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FriedBanana wrote: »Okay, Herlo, I'd like your opinion on the M4's/silenced versions, AWM, M700, Deagle/variants
If you have ever shot an M4A1 (no matter the variant), you'll notice 3 things:
1) Low damage, but high firing rate to compensate for this.
2) A nice spray pattern that will go up, slightly sideways, and down again. But
the recoil kicks in after the first 5 shots (3-4 on suppressed versions).
3) It is a little overused, but everyone has different pings/frames per second/movement reaction/experience playing etc...
My opinion on M4's: they are well balanced guns, and can look either good or bad depending on the wielder. Unlike OP guns mentioned before, they will make you experience a wave of excitement, thrill and fun when you kill people with these.
On the AWM & M700 theme (this one is a little more complicated to explain):
As you may know, snipers use high caliber bullets. At least snipers designed for warfare do.
AWM means Arctic Warfare Magnum, yes, the AWM uses .300/.308 rounds. It's a sniper in service since 1997, just 13 years ago. .300 and .308 bullets are very big bullets, and will killd the target most of the times if hit from the waist up (where most vital organs are located). I believe AWM is an awesome sniper, not only because it has big bullets and it's 1-hit kill waist up, but because it takes time and practice to make your 5-bullet clip count and to get used to the slow bolt-action movement.
The M700 is an old sniper (early 70's), and was mainly used for hunting. There is nothing much to say about the M700, rather than aim for the head. In hands of a professional gamer, it is a potential killing machine. It has a 10-bullet clip (2 times as much as the AWM), and because it's 2-hit kill...it's an AWM with less power but more bullets to compensate for that.
About the Desert Eagle and it's many variants...It's an Israel-made handgun (the best guns in the world are either German, Asian or Israeli). It uses magnum rounds and is 2-hit kill close and middle range. Now, long range is another story, because the bullets have a flat nose they loose a little power over distance because it's less aerodynamic. Other DE's are just repainted versions, with a little more ammo and a faster reload. And, the DE really needed more ammo.
If you have any more questions about another gun, feel free to ask me.
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