I have a thought on why Z8 is not doing so well.
Alright, so I have this idea. That I've been seeing on a lot of different games forums.
Everyone agrees if the things you buy in a free for all game give you an advantage over the rest of the players. It is unfair and a lot of people would quit or a mass majority wouldn't play because of this reason. I don't think zp she have ANY affect on the game play of this game. I am not saying some guns are better. I personally just believe that it shouldn't affect the game play AT ALL.
For example. If I was in a RTS FTP game. And I was able to buy things that gave me bonuses at the beginning wouldn't that be highly unfair to all the other players playing?
I have seen a majority of people on this forum I am more currently active on say that if their currency of payable items affected game play they would quit. And a mass majority would. I would like to hear some feedback in opposition to my long wall of text.
tl;dr Give me your opinion if zp should affect game play at all.
Everyone agrees if the things you buy in a free for all game give you an advantage over the rest of the players. It is unfair and a lot of people would quit or a mass majority wouldn't play because of this reason. I don't think zp she have ANY affect on the game play of this game. I am not saying some guns are better. I personally just believe that it shouldn't affect the game play AT ALL.
For example. If I was in a RTS FTP game. And I was able to buy things that gave me bonuses at the beginning wouldn't that be highly unfair to all the other players playing?
I have seen a majority of people on this forum I am more currently active on say that if their currency of payable items affected game play they would quit. And a mass majority would. I would like to hear some feedback in opposition to my long wall of text.
tl;dr Give me your opinion if zp should affect game play at all.
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Question: Does ZP affect play at all?
It changes your appearance, lets you use different nades (arguably slight difference, but not much) and allows you to get a few different guns. Also you can level faster... but who cares about level on an FPS which is about skill.. this isn't WoW you're playing here.
BUT fundamentally, surely it is just the skill of the player, not the ZP they spend that makes them good.
I have the M4C, AKSilv, M4Silv, Winchester, Winchester Scope, DC... arguably all of these are ZP weapons... yet I still use a QBZ as my main weapon, too great effect. -
Question: Does ZP affect play at all?
It changes your appearance, lets you use different nades (arguably slight difference, but not much) and allows you to get a few different guns. Also you can level faster... but who cares about level on an FPS which is about skill.. this isn't WoW you're playing here.
BUT fundamentally, surely it is just the skill of the player, not the ZP they spend that makes them good.
I have the M4C, AKSilv, M4Silv, Winchester, Winchester Scope, DC... arguably all of these are ZP weapons... yet I still use a QBZ as my main weapon, too great effect.
+1
i also have a few zp guns but my main gun is the reg AK47 -
Though zp may not affect gameplay greatly it still gives the upper hand on armour, fall down reduction, axes, shovels and the like. This still gives slight game advantage. Which gives non zp buyers an unfair disadvantage.Question: Does ZP affect play at all?
It changes your appearance, lets you use different nades (arguably slight difference, but not much) and allows you to get a few different guns. Also you can level faster... but who cares about level on an FPS which is about skill.. this isn't WoW you're playing here.
BUT fundamentally, surely it is just the skill of the player, not the ZP they spend that makes them good.
I have the M4C, AKSilv, M4Silv, Winchester, Winchester Scope, DC... arguably all of these are ZP weapons... yet I still use a QBZ as my main weapon, too great effect. -
5 more bullets. Same spray pattern. Same recoil. Still an upper advantage.KingstarKB wrote: »NO ZP = NO CF.
Anywyas...I don't really see how ZP affects gameplay, 1 with AK(Standard) vs 1 with AK-Camo... they are both the same thing if you know how to aim for the head. -
KingstarKB wrote: »NO ZP = NO CF.
Anywyas...I don't really see how ZP affects gameplay, 1 with AK(Standard) vs 1 with AK-Camo... they are both the same thing if you know how to aim for the head.
Unless you get the kriss or something like that ZP gun it will effect game play. -
5 more bullets. Same spray pattern. Same recoil. Still an upper advantage.
Yes but your never gonna spay 35 bullets on one guy. You can kill the whole team (8 players) with 30 bullets if you aim right. 5 bullets isn't a big deal. The only stuff that do give advantages are the characters (Dread runs fatser,maiden jumps higher) and some MG (machine guns) which have a load more ammo than the standard ones.
RPK : 80/80
RPK-Gold: 120/120 <
Big difference, unlike the other ZP guns. -
KingstarKB wrote: »Yes but your never gonna spay 35 bullets on one guy. You can kill the whole team (8 players) with 30 bullets if you aim right. 5 bullets isn't a big deal. The only stuff that do give advantages are the characters (Dread runs fatser,maiden jumps higher) and some MG (machine guns) which have a load more ammo than the standard ones.
RPK : 80/80
RPK-Gold: 120/120 <
Big difference, unlike the other ZP guns.
ok,the new zombie mode is obviously the zp game,if you're not buying zp forget 'bout it -
Yeah?... Though sometimes you might be having a mid range battle and while the other person reloads you still got 5 more bullets ready to unload. I am merley attempting to state my point and the rpk situation just helped. I am asking for opinions. Thank you for your feedback.KingstarKB wrote: »Yes but your never gonna spay 35 bullets on one guy. You can kill the whole team (8 players) with 30 bullets if you aim right. 5 bullets isn't a big deal. The only stuff that do give advantages are the characters (Dread runs fatser,maiden jumps higher) and some MG (machine guns) which have a load more ammo than the standard ones.
RPK : 80/80
RPK-Gold: 120/120 <
Big difference, unlike the other ZP guns.
qftok,the new zombie mode is obviously the zp game,if you're not buying zp forget 'bout it
lolTheLuckster wrote: »ya alittle advantage but not much, still comes down to skill who wins. The missions give cool ZP prizes too. Just be glad they only sell guns and gear and not maps. I think for a free to play game Z8 is extremely generous. -
The same thing happens for every F2P game. When they start out there is little to buy that gives you an advantage, if at all. They try the "only cosmetic" plan with the mindset that it will make the players happy because everyone is on a even level, and they get the play the game for free, and this does make people happy. However, because you won't gain an advantage from it, very few buy it, thus it makes very little money. (look at battlefield heroes). If CF put out guns that just had other skins, some, but not many would buy them. Bit, if CF released a updated version of a gun that did double the damage of it's normal counterpart the amount of people that would flock to it would be staggering, but clearly this would break the game in terms of fairness.
It's all about the balance of wanting people to pay for an advantage and not breaking the game for those who don't play.
The longer someone plays, the more likely they are to consider investing money into the game. <-key point
So, I think CF's method of making guns with say +5 bullets is a good balance in terms of getting your money's worth vs breaking the game. This plus things like EXP boosts, ZM items, the special nades are all good ways to generate revenue for the game while keeping it fair. -
[MOD]BlindRob wrote: »The same thing happens for every F2P game. When they start out there is little to buy that gives you an advantage, if at all. They try the "only cosmetic" plan with the mindset that it will make the players happy because everyone is on a even level, and they get the play the game for free, and this does make people happy. However, because you won't gain an advantage from it, very few buy it, thus it makes very little money. (look at battlefield heroes). If CF put out guns that just had other skins, some, but not many would buy them. Bit, if CF released a updated version of a gun that did double the damage of it's normal counterpart the amount of people that would flock to it would be staggering, but clearly this would break the game in terms of fairness.
It's all about the balance of wanting people to pay for an advantage and not breaking the game for those who don't play.
The longer someone plays, the more likely they are to consider investing money into the game. <-key point
So, I think CF's method of making guns with say +5 bullets is a good balance in terms of getting your money's worth vs breaking the game. This plus things like EXP boosts, ZM items, the special nades are all good ways to generate revenue for the game while keeping it fair.
That. If you don't give someone an incentive to buy something for the game, it will quickly go bankrupt. F2P games have to give people that pay some kind of advantage to entice players to gib munz -
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Thanks for your reply.[MOD]BlindRob wrote: »Quoted
Though z8 may be doing this. It interacts with gameplay. If it didn't have effect on gameplay rather than something graphical persay... Like for instance I play an RTS game. They have a currency also. But all their currency allows them to do is change looks of characters and help level their account faster. And has NO effect on gameplay whatsoever and they still have well over 1 million players playing it and are doing well money wise.
Though z8 offers their currency it has effect on game play. Such as key was saying about mutant mode. You can have an 80 weapon rpk oppsed to 180 rpk gold in mutant mode. I wonder which player has a CLEAR advantage. At this point it really just makes the game mode/game unfair and not all that fun for free users that have a disadvantage.
I have started playing a new game it's MAsTerful.
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I'm so confused. Z8 is a she?
And I see no advantage in most ZP guns vs GP guns. M4-C vs M4 is a toss up. Just like M12S and Kriss. List goes on and on.
But how are you going to get money just by selling guns for zp with no visual/technical advantage.
No one would make money. -
If you read it all that is easily debatable.I'm so confused. Z8 is a she?
And I see no advantage in most ZP guns vs GP guns. M4-C vs M4 is a toss up. Just like M12S and Kriss. List goes on and on.
But how are you going to get money just by selling guns for zp with no visual/technical advantage.
No one would make money.
Not a bad idea!Just ban the BR's. -
In this game its no matter of zp weapons or Chars or something.
If u have some skill and and a bit of training especially with the so called "noob" guns u can win over someone with zp items.
Except maybe in zombiemode, which isnt worth playing in my eyes.
(Dont like the idea of this mode but thats personal preference)
Everything u can do with a Kris u can do with some other smgs maybe sometimes better.
With some skill u can own a Kriss user with a P90, which has more ammo in one mag than a Kriss)
In sniper match u can own the AWM - Camo / Red Dragon Users with a Dragunov.
With some skills u can kill one shot an enemy withoot problems and its faster firing rate and reload time is way better than any AWM could be. (u can reload between to shots of an AWM User)
But its pretty simple that u need some training with this guns and u must accept that u wont go out from the first matches with a positive K/D rating.
I called the hard way, especially when u use the Dragunov.
Its no "I shot ur little Finger u must be dead" gun like AWM, which is pretty easy to use.
So play, use ur brain and learn something and ZP items are not something u need to fear (only when u play zm a lot
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