A different take on 1 v 1 matches - Discussion thread

gl with that -o-

As a pretty experienced Quake player (Though I prefer CTF to Dueling) the reason 1v1 is so big in Quake is its a lot more complicated.

First, both players spawn with 100 hp and a crappy machine gun. Weapons have to be picked up, as well as armor, and extra health. Everything has a respawn time, so it is important to learn how to time the respawns on say, the armor so that your opponent cannot get it. That takes a lot of fricken skill to keep track of.

Then you take a vague concept like 'map control' in which a player has the health, the armor, and the weapons, making it very hard for his opponent to get any of them.

Then you have movement, which is more important than raw aim. If you can move around the map fluidly then you can cut off and control the movements of your opponent. In Cross Fire, the only movement techniques that come into play are bunny hopping and double jumping.


Also, there is no powerup like Quad Damage or Regeneration to fight over. After all, once you have 100 health, 100 armor, and weapons and ammo, whats to draw the players out to fight?

1v1s in CF on anything other than Columbia inevitability turn into some form of camping. A player takes up a position in which they are hard to shoot and in which you must expose yourself to shoot at them. That isn't balanced in the least.

Rivkin wrote: »

Noted. Ok, on the first point of discussion, what is your take on why 1 v 1 matches hold so little value, in a competitive sense, in this community? I know it may be a point of interest for some, but not all. Again, going back to QL (not comparing, just using as an example), QL has a huge 1 v 1 Duel mode competitive scene. Why is there no such case here? Is it just the fact that it hasn't been attempted? A lack of interest to compete in 1 v 1 matches? What do you think?

I'm a halo3 player and I have to agree with everything bruce just said.

Powerup, powerweapons, vital areas of the map... not really present in Cross fire.

Perhaps if z8 introduced a mode where players spawn in FFA, with a colt or m16, and there are weapons placed around the map, and items such as headarmour... I don't know. Seems foolish to think that z8 would ever do something the community wanted.



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1v1s on Columbia are:

WOGL rules
No underground

People usually will do either Rifles or Snipers only. I don't mind doing either, but its bad etiquette (in my eyes) to switch weapons without letting your opponent know

I've only played bruce once, and I cheated because I wouldn't rematch =P

Well when I host a 1v1 room with spectators people usually show up and keep it full.

1v1s are competitive, they just don't have mass appeal. A little ladder or double elimination tournament would work wonders.

The rules need to be kept standard across all fronts if the game is to grow competitively. WOGL has done a good job with the rules (and I wrote the first draft, don't you forget it!) so it makes sense to just use them.