PUG: The Nuts & Bolts...
What is a PUG? A pug is the acronym for pick up game; Don't understand where people have come up with the additional G's in most cases (PUGG). A pick up game is nothing more than a random loose fit game played on the spot [spontaneous]. Why the association to the competitive scene? Not quite sure, but a pick up game has no ties and or affiliation to the competitive scene. Not even sure how it could closely be associated...The general concept of a pick up game is nothing more than a dynamic rule set public match played at random. You don't go to the basketball court(s) looking to play a little ball, a team picks you up to play than tells you you can't wear this brand of sneaker, this style of shot, this basketball, this rim, etc... The rule set goes no further than the length of the match play, and various minor match dynamics. So why the limitations on weapons? I'm 100% aware of the weapons and various other element to this game that are typically deemed unacceptable, but this is a random game at play...nothing more and nothing less. Instead of playing a public match with 5-6 players whom choose to 'try hard', your opting to play in a closed public match with 7-8 players whom choose to 'try hard'. Rules are for competitive play. Pick up games are random and off competitions for your enjoyment...
So what is a PUG? A random game a play...the SAME as a public match, but rules on the length of play. They're NOT part of the competitive scene by any means. If they we're they'd be in direct relation to the competitive hosts and monitored by competitive referees and/or admins. You want a serious match, than predate and schedule one...let the users enjoy themselves and follow code on a real PICK UP GAME!!
So what is a PUG? A random game a play...the SAME as a public match, but rules on the length of play. They're NOT part of the competitive scene by any means. If they we're they'd be in direct relation to the competitive hosts and monitored by competitive referees and/or admins. You want a serious match, than predate and schedule one...let the users enjoy themselves and follow code on a real PICK UP GAME!!
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PUGs are not random.
People show up on an ORGANIZED vent server, they wait in the designated room, captains are picked and teams are divided.
A PUG is SUPPOSED to be a competitive thing. If I wanted to do a 5v5 public game, then I would go and make a 5v5 public room. A public game is totally random, anyone can join, they can use whatever they want and play how they want.
PUG is 10 players who have decided that they don't want to play in the random public enviroment and would rather gather together and play in an orgainzed manner.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say here, but a PUG is no doubt part of the competitive scene. -
Organised Pubs, if you wanna lose skill, play these.
Clearly you're playing in the wrong ones then. PUGs can increase your skill a lot if you're in the company of better players and actually want to learn and get better. Not that you need to or anything. -
The key word is most likely CAN.Clearly you're terrible.
It's a bait fest and involves 0 teamwork.
As in they can be competitive and helpful to someones general skill if everyone follows the rules and doesn't **** around.
Which unfortunately people do(don't?) in the most public ones. -
Clearly you're terrible.
It's a bait fest and involves 0 teamwork.
Like I said, you're playing in the wrong ones with the wrong players. Of course low-skill players are going to bait you, that's what happens. I'm not trying to start an argument with you, so no need to resort to petty insults like yesterday. -
PUGs are like the only opportunity lesser skilled players have to play with the pros.
How else does Joe Schmoe improve his game? Once he has the indivdual skills down is he supposed to move from the public games into the big tough clan server scrims against 200 ping BRs? That clearly isn't an improvement. -
PUGs are not random.
People show up on an ORGANIZED vent server, they wait in the designated room, captains are picked and teams are divided.
A PUG is SUPPOSED to be a competitive thing. If I wanted to do a 5v5 public game, then I would go and make a 5v5 public room. A public game is totally random, anyone can join, they can use whatever they want and play how they want.
PUG is 10 players who have decided that they don't want to play in the random public enviroment and would rather gather together and play in an orgainzed manner.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say here, but a PUG is no doubt part of the competitive scene.
Organized comes with a time and date. A Pick Up Game is not scheduled. PICK UP GAMES ARE SPONTANEOUS; Synonyms Applied. A game put together on the spot....there's NOTHING organized about that. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+a+pick+up+game%3F
PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT...You said it yourself. With an environment comes it's surroundings.
PUG's have nothing to do with competitive play; 90% of the players in these matches don't compete or not ran in a competitive manner. You want to play in a match because your bored...you find a PICK UP GAME. You want to find a competitive game, you look for competitive hosts. There's no logical argument between the two... -
Organised pub, exactly the same as ESEA pubs, you gain NO skill.
So you're telling me that someone with a lower amount of skill, can't go into a PUG with better players and learn from them? Learn techniques, ask questions, learn the maps better? You can gain skill if you're willing to try and get better. -
So you're telling me that someone with a lower amount of skill, can't go into a PUG with better players and learn from them? Learn techniques, ask questions, learn the maps better? You can gain skill if you're willing to try and get better.
I'd much rather, get a team of 5 and scrim.
From there you gain spots, teamwork, maps, strats. -
BobbyBlackk wrote: »Organized comes with a time and date. A Pick Up Game is not scheduled. PICK UP GAMES ARE SPONTANEOUS; Synonyms Applied. A game put together on the spot....there's NOTHING organized about that. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+a+pick+up+game%3F
PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT...You said it yourself. With an environment comes it's surroundings.
PUG's have nothing to do with competitive play; 90% of the players in these matches don't compete or not ran in a competitive manner. You want to play in a match because your bored...you find a PICK UP GAME. You want to find a competitive game, you look for competitive hosts. There's no logical argument between the two...
Ok so you want to go by the dictionary. Are you the type of person that goes "Oh there are no pros in CF because nobody gets paid."?
PUGs are played with the COMPETITIVE RULESET. That, in effect makes them competitive. I play PUGs because I don't want to pub. How can you say it isn't organized? People own the vent, the vent has rules, the rules are enforced. Weapon restrictions, etc. RULES RULES RULES, that is organized!
Organized (adj): 1. Functioning within a formal structure, as in the coordination and direction of activities.
Vent server, with different channels and rooms for people to wait and play: [x]
Rules to be followed and enforced: [x]
Admins, to coordinate and direct everything: [x]
Sounds pretty organized to me.
And don't come in here with made up statistics, what a joke. -
Organised pub, exactly the same as ESEA pubs, you gain NO skill.
Oddly, I agree with you. You want to get better; Play people whom are better than you, people who will push you to extremes your forced to think further outside the box to overcome. And this- ...will not happen in a random PICK UP GAME. At attitude and tone of the match alone is nothing more than a PUBLIC MATCH with a voice comm server. -
Ok so you want to go by the dictionary. Are you the type of person that goes "Oh there are no pros in CF because nobody gets paid."?
Not true, personally me and my team are sponsered, which includes free flightsh hotels to LANs and zp(:() everytime we win an ESL match. -
I'd much rather, get a team of 5 and scrim.
From there you gain spots, teamwork, maps, strats.
See that is your preference, as it may be with a lot of other players. Other players may look at PUGs as their "scrims" and learn spots, maps, strats that way. Like I said, no argument intended, it all depends on the player. Different people have different preferences. But the end fact, you can gain knowledge in a PUG, provided you are playing with the right people.
Your statement has some truth, that if you are in fact playing with people who only want to mess around and not actually play, you're not going to learn a thing. -
Clearly, the best way of improving your game is to improve with your team. But when your team isn't online the only option you really have for anything beneficial is to PUG, as 16 man pubs with M12s, Skill lites, spop, and all that crap really isn't helping you improve.
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Ok so you want to go by the dictionary. Are you the type of person that goes "Oh there are no pros in CF because nobody gets paid."?
PUGs are played with the COMPETITIVE RULESET. That, in effect makes them competitive. I play PUGs because I don't want to pub. How can you say it isn't organized? People own the vent, the vent has rules, the rules are enforced. Weapon restrictions, etc. RULES RULES RULES, that is organized!
Organized (adj): 1. Functioning within a formal structure, as in the coordination and direction of activities.
Vent server, with different channels and rooms for people to wait and play: [x]
Rules to be followed and enforced: [x]
Admins, to coordinate and direct everything: [x]
Sounds pretty organized to me.
And don't come in here with made up statistics, what a joke.
FAR from that person; 11 yrs of competitive play under my belt, 6 of which sponsored. 'Pro' is a title earned, nothing more...But technically, professional players have a financial backing. #JustSaying
Any time you put 'organized' into a word it's not random anymore. A pick up game is a randomly FORMED match. There's nothing organized about randoms coming into a match looking for a game any various times throughout the day. Let's host a randomly organized match....
The statistics aren't a joke. I can walk into the MAJORITY of the PUG's today and confidently say I've never once seen upwards to 90% of the players in a competitively hosted match; STRONGLY state. -
I'd much rather, get a team of 5 and scrim.
From there you gain spots, teamwork, maps, strats.
Then don't go onto a PUG vent server, stay on your clan's and scrim. If that's the only way you feel you can improve.
Personally I play better when I'm around better players. Example: I was 'ringing' for LifeLine, if you will. I was with Roth, Control, uMad + a filler. Roth called and we listened. We destroyed the teams we were playing even though we basically played 4v5 the whole time, since our 5th wasn't really a 5th. I top fragged or second fragged every half. If I was playing (even with a clan) with less skilled players, that wouldn't have happened.
My point is that if you're in a private PUG with higher skilled players, you will pick up things here and there that you can incorporate in your own game play when it comes to scrimming. -
Then don't go onto a PUG vent server, stay on your clan's and scrim. If that's the only way you feel you can improve.
Personally I play better when I'm around better players. Example: I was 'ringing' for LifeLine, if you will. I was with Roth, Control, uMad + a filler. Roth called and we listened. We destroyed the teams we were playing even though we basically played 4v5 the whole time, since our 5th wasn't really a 5th. I top fragged or second fragged every half. If I was playing (even with a clan) with less skilled players, that wouldn't have happened.
My point is that if you're in a private PUG with higher skilled players, you will pick up things here and there that you can incorporate in your own game play when it comes to scrimming.
I don't need to improve, i'm the best EU player and one of the best general players.
I'll go where i want, i've earned it. -
That's opinion, not fact. Unless every single CF Player in EU thinks you are, which is highly doubtful. I have no doubt that you are good, but declaring yourself "The Best" is merely opinion unless stated from the entire population you are referring to, which is EU. Again, doubtful.
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In CrossFire we try to make PUGs competitive, because pubs are just the WORST in this game, and its not always easy to find a DECENT team to scrim against that has 5 on.
So we go to "Pugs". Which actually are not really random pick up games because we play them differently in CF, but we just call em PUGS. They are organized play with decent players that follow a ruleset, and actually try to win + produce teamwork.
You may not be able to play with the "best" cf has to offer, but its definitely better than pubs. And you are confident no1 is cheating/using armour. -
BobbyBlackk wrote: »
The statistics aren't a joke. I can walk into the MAJORITY of the PUG's today and confidently say I've never once seen upwards to 90% of the players in a competitively hosted match; STRONGLY state.
Try something other than public PUG vents :P
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