Taking Advantage Of Lagger

Arcobalen0 wrote: »

wat you said just stated how High Pinger die behind wall.

High pinger already moved to NEW spot ( behind wall )

But his instruction did not reach the server by the time Low Pinger makes a killing blow.

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Also , same thing might happen to LOW pinger with the similar theory.
coz nobody's PING == 0, as long as its more than 1, there is a chance that you might die behind wall.

This issue can be avoided by some smart algorithm while coding,
thats y many ppl complained about this games's REG system.

But chances that occur on low pinger are much lower than high pinger.
You as a 50 ping player might die 2-3 times behind a wall in 1hour of game play.
But a 200 pinger might die 20-30 times.

only difference is that low pinger think that lower ping should NVR die behind wall.

I like the way you express yourself. Now if some people does not understand , then they must follow some treatment for the brain.

Kahlann wrote: »

You are talking as if you've played this game with low ping. This game does not run on strong or optimized code. This enables high ping players to completely gay lower ping players when the high ping player shouldn't even be able to move without rubber banding.

I've played with my 13 ping, i've played on West Coast and UK with 90-120 each, and i've played the Japanese and Chinese versions of the game with 200 and 280-300 ping respectively.

Even with 280 ping I could reg on moving targets. Really? How can you ever justify being able to kill people with 280+ ping? This isn't just a one off thing, I played to the rank that gives you the AN and I have a 4 kdr... with 300 ping.

You are trying to compare better coded games to CrossFire and it simply cannot be done.

I've played this game long enough to figure out a lot of its tricks and bugs. I know more about the mechanics of this game than you, and i'm fairly sure I know more about coding and networking then you. This game is not some complex art, its a bunch of rocks thrown together to make money.

The high pinger is always at a disadvantage, IF, both players are shooting at each other at the same time. Both have terrible model movements and both tank.....

Why the hell am I wasting my time typing this? Forget it, you think you know how the game plays, then have at. Just don't type a single word of complaint when I kill you in game with my 13 ping. If you don't like it, then don't play a game in which you ping high.

Kahlan, teach me your secrets. :>

Bad thing of laggers is that u cant snipe them fast i kill one in 2 shots! Because he was almost flying lol

ya its hard 4 laggers, but they also tank and wall shot a fuc load so it kinda evens it out, plus all the higher pingers use m12 and u can easily spray long range and get hs

Kahlann wrote: »

I've played with my 13 ping, i've played on West Coast and UK with 90-120 each, and i've played the Japanese and Chinese versions of the game with 200 and 280-300 ping respectively.

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You are trying to compare better coded games to CrossFire and it simply cannot be done.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was under the impression that other versions of CF had better coding than ours...

As for the topic, Lumic sums up my views very neatly.

Spazbunny wrote: »

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was under the impression that other versions of CF had better coding than ours...

As for the topic, Lumic sums up my views very neatly.

i heard so, but i think its simply for the fact evre1 in the room got under 20 ping. the coding cf got was meant for low ping, not a high ping.

Arcobalen0 wrote: »

TO your 1st paragraphic:

I played on UK4 with 360 ping, Played UK1 with 330 ping
Played alpha - delta with 240 ping
Played on West Coast with 190 ping

AND i also played in chinese Server with 25 ping i went back for holidays.
I know exactly how i perform.

I can pretty much top score with 190 - 240 ping every game and always Highest KDR
in server room I played in.

KDR is simply the way how u play + skills
if i play on UK4, only thing i can do is play smart, camp behind and let
teammate tank for me, while i aim at head behind with ak.

but if i play on westcoast, 190 is enough to allow me play all sorts of tactics.
But no matter wat happen, when i encounter some very decent player with 10-40 ping.
I always die face to face, and deal 0 dmg.
this will not happen if i have 10-40 ping as well.

I played 10 years of FPS( was playing as a pro gamer for 1+ year, that
train 8+ hours a day, 5000 HS a day, running around learning maps, talking about
strats, watching demo, war with other clan).

I KNOW WAT PING DOES in CF and i have experienced all sorts of PING
in all sorts of games. CS quake3 CSonline CF etc.

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you think u know more than me coz you played this game very long and figured out alot
of tricks and stuff. this is just an assumption.
when you are trying to telling others in an argumentative fashion,
and you make some assumptions, you automatically failed.

Its just like high rank thinks low rank hack coz if they got pwned by low rank.
High rank thinks that they should have more skills and always kill low ranks.
COZ HIGH RANK PLAYED LONGER!

I admit that only thing i got is a software engineering degree and 10+
years of MMOrpg experience...I dont have 100% knowledge about network.

I would nvr go telling others, I am better than you, I know more than you etc.

IF you know more,
HOW ABOUT YOU list the current game REG coding algorithm
and explain to everybody exactly how entire reg system work
between a CF server and 2-16 players inside rooms.
including all the scenarios, exceptions and error handling.

IF you can do that, then further arguments arent needed again.

I would be gladed to learn and everyone would be happy.

thx

edit: to answer ur last paragraph, i am not complaining at all.
I am perfectly fine to play this game with all the guns i have,
enjoying it as much as i could. maybe we can have a couple of pug games
together on WC server, i only play on west coast, u can find me easily in there
mostly TD games, only 2 ch in westcoast anyway.

CS1.4-1.6 current
Cs:S since it came out
Cod1234 mw2
UT
BF1942 2, bc2
CF
Ava
StarWars BF 1/2
KoS
C&C Renegade
Half-Life/2/TDM/mods of 1.6 and Source
Random old ass FPS games
Console shooters (played Golden eye in a comp way back in the day)


I mean, I obviously don't know different styles of games. I obviously have never written any code or moded games. I certainly have never played any of these games without 10 or less ping. There is no way I have ever created and configured servers.

I base my argument on three attributes.

1. Knowledge of computers, networks and routing.
2. Knowledge of different computer languages.
3. Experience in the above two as well as in years of playing games.

Due to the fact that the code for CrossFire is not Open, it would be illegal for me to do so. That goes for you to. Therefor, you have to rule out, for both sides, a purely factual argument. So what comes next? You base it on similarities and experience.

Don't give me your garbage, "I was pro men, I swear" B.S. And if you've managed to finish your degree in software engineering, how is it you can't determine terrible code in a game where even 16 year old kids are able to? (although, most of them just repeat what they've read)

I won't pin it all on the code though, because I can't (read:don't want to) view it. There are more factors that could add to the problem, most has to do with the server, its configuration/specs and the bandwidth connected to it.

Basically it boils down to this: the game runs on poor code, an old engine (lithtech Jupiter... which version of it, idk) and possibly (and probably considering this is a free FPS) low tier servers with low rates. The server and its configuration could have a huge impact on the game, and I believe this to be one reason why the way the game play is bad.

This is what you get for a Free game.



@the person who wanted to know if the Chinese version has better coding:

The CN version feels smoother, movement wise. The models also look a little more stable and don't just glide across the screen. The movement feels as if there is more acceleration and deceleration to your movements, but this is all played with 300 ping. The fact that I was killing players with 300 ping is never a good sign. The main difference (I suspect) would be that nearly all players have under 80 ping, there is around 15 server LOCATIONS, each with 10+ servers. The quality of the servers and their setups are probably higher than ours to. I didn't experience any crashes, but i'm not sure if it happens to others. Still doesn't have driver supports for some razor mice (even though Razor is a sponsor), isn't optimized to run with more than one core and doesn't support any further aspect ratios and resolution.

Basically, its the same as ours with new weapons and items, a few *possible* tweaks to the mechanics and possibly higher quality servers. Oh, and very few high ping players.

Kahlann wrote: »

blah blah

I simply requested you to simulate their algorithm and point out the flaws
of their system since you talked like you know exactly how it works.

but u replied with a bunch of games you played and other stuff to avoid my request.


You also love making assumptions and talked like you know everything:

1. You assumed that you know more than me, but you dont even know me.

2. You assumed I nvr played with low ping simply coz i said i am a high pinger.

3. You assumed experience is the only thing required when you are trying to present your view.

but in the end you didn't really prove nor answer(wat i requested) anything at all.

Its more like you are trying to win a verbal fight and show how superior you are.

Unfortunately thats not going to work against me.

If you can't or wat you call DONT WANT TO show everyone,
then topic ends here.

yea, high pingers are truly at a disadvantage.

what pi**es me off is that when im trying to shoot that lagger, even though he cant kill me, his team mates can.

so im shooting at this guy who is teleporting everywhere and his buddies just get me in the meantime.

This OP makes nothing but flamebait threads.

LtManj wrote: »

However, I do think you are completely wrong when you try to lecture us about NOT killing them.

I don't think that was the point [:<

LtManj wrote: »

However, I believe higher-stable-pingers are more advantaged than low-pingers, just mainly because they tank... like crazy sometimes...

From my simple understanding of how a game should work (CF might differ, I could be wrong), it happens on both ends. Say you have 50 ping, the opponent 250. The server is the "realtime". You get and send information 0.05ms late. Hence, the character models drawn on your screen should be slightly inaccurate. The opponent's will be 0.25ms off.

Again, if my view's wrong, I'd really like to know the way reg works in this game. I've thought up what I think to be most logical, and I seriously don't see why a game would be coded any differently.

But say we screw all the technicalities. My opinion is that tanking in general is primarily caused by the difference in ping (a ridiculously low pinger WILL tank a high pinger, not just the other way around). More than 0 ping creates the possibility of tanking.