please nerf the m12!!!
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Its a 40 round clip with almost the same damage as the M4 and the firing rate of HOLY FAWK. You won't be able to snipe well when theres a ton of rounds hitting you. A lot of people wanted the Kriss but since the M12s came out, what was the point of it? The m12s is better in every way.
Also SMGs aren't supposed to be that good at long distance...
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L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Its a 40 round clip with almost the same damage as the M4 and the firing rate of HOLY FAWK. You won't be able to snipe well when theres a ton of rounds hitting you. A lot of people wanted the Kriss but since the M12s came out, what was the point of it? The m12s is better in every way.
Also SMGs aren't supposed to be that good at long distance...
The Kriss has better acc AND damage...not only that, but the bullets don't lose power over range.
The m12s can't pick off a sniper at the other end of Downtown unless your STUPID lucky.
Also, the M4A1's dmg IS higher then the m12s. Fire 1 round of each into someone and the m12s does like 20-26 dmg. The M4A1 does about 25-35 dmg, which decreases as you spray (because Smilegate rigged the system to decrease bullet dmg when your gun starts spraying...).
Anyway, I never see anyone with the Kriss getting pwned by a m12s (I'd know..........), no matter what. Better yet, if the m12s user is being to zealous with his firing, he can't even switch to a new target because of the damn barrel swing...something the Kriss nor the M4A1 has...(and as a matter of fact....I don't think any of the other SMGs have it either...)
And if the guns were based on real weapons like they CLAIM to be, then every SMG would be more accurate and powerful from longer ranges. No real battles take place in the sort of map environments that we play on in CF...they are MUCH larger, and in THOSE conditions a SMG is fine for a good 1000 Feet or so. And snipers are never anywhere close. -
HeadWound13 wrote: »See, thats the problem with everyone...they thing that SMGs are supposed to be weak.
WRONG.
1) If they nerf it, it will be just like every other damn SMG (except the MP5)...no one will have it because it's too weak, and it takes too many bullets to kill someone with.
2) The m12s is NOT that powerful. It's just that in order to use it we have to be at least 1-6 feet away from you to deal maximum damage...snipers shouldn't even LET anyone get that close, first off, and secondly, they should have someone covering them in case someone sneaks up on the sniper...not the m12s users fault that you didn't set up a plan B in case of incoming pwnage...
3) You have an sniper rifle...no matter what SMG is heading towards you, you still only have to hit him ONCE (give or take your aiming at the proper places...) while he has to hit you at least 6-10 times (sometimes the bullets do 1-10 dmg...even at close range) from long range...it's not THAT accurate (only on the first 2 shots of so, then it spreads)...
This isn't the S-L were talking about, that can pretty much pass for a sniper rifle ANYWAY (at least they nerfed the damage...). This is a weapon that is the EQUALIZER to every high power rifle and sniper weapon in the game, because the MP5 wasn't getting the job done.
ur dumb, m12 is the biggest noob cannon in every way possible. you can spray with it across the map and still do the same amount of damage you'd do up close. The damage is just a little weaker than an m4, and the firing rate is crazy to deal with, like an uzi. -
HeadWound13 wrote: »The Kriss has better acc AND damage...not only that, but the bullets don't lose power over range.
The m12s can't pick off a sniper at the other end of Downtown unless your STUPID lucky.
Also, the M4A1's dmg IS higher then the m12s. Fire 1 round of each into someone and the m12s does like 20-26 dmg. The M4A1 does about 25-35 dmg, which decreases as you spray (because Smilegate rigged the system to decrease bullet dmg when your gun starts spraying...).
Anyway, I never see anyone with the Kriss getting pwned by a m12s (I'd know..........), no matter what. Better yet, if the m12s user is being to zealous with his firing, he can't even switch to a new target because of the damn barrel swing...something the Kriss nor the M4A1 has...(and as a matter of fact....I don't think any of the other SMGs have it either...)
And if the guns were based on real weapons like they CLAIM to be, then every SMG would be more accurate and powerful from longer ranges. No real battles take place in the sort of map environments that we play on in CF...they are MUCH larger, and in THOSE conditions a SMG is fine for a good 1000 Feet or so. And snipers are never anywhere close.
Ok 20-25 + 40 round clip + almost every round hitting you (since its so easy to control) + the firing rate. It can kick your ass. My bro got it from the floor and he got 3, 6 kill streaks and he hasn't played this game for a week... -
ur dumb, m12 is the biggest noob cannon in every way possible. you can spray with it across the map and still do the same amount of damage you'd do up close. The damage is just a little weaker than an m4, and the firing rate is crazy to deal with, like an uzi.
Seeing as I have it, I'd know you can't do that...-_-
YOUR the dumb one, whomever the hell you are.
And to put it into perspective...
YOU CAN NOT RUSH AN AK-47/74 WITH AN m12s...EVER. IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU CAN NOT COUNTER SNIPE A SNIPER WITH AN m12S...YOU CAN ONLY SUPPRESS.
You CAN however go 1v1 on any Battle Rifle, as long as you don't spray...smg's are accurate with CLICKING. -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Ok 20-25 + 40 round clip + almost every round hitting you (since its so easy to control) + the firing rate. It can kick your ass. My bro got it from the floor and he got 3, 6 kill streaks and he hasn't played this game for a week...
don't listen to the headwound kid, he knows nothing -.- -
HeadWound13 wrote: »Seeing as I have it, I'd know you can't do that...-_-
YOUR the dumb one, whomever the hell you are.
And to put it into perspective...
YOU CAN NOT RUSH AN AK-47/74 WITH AN m12s...EVER. IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU CAN NOT COUNTER SNIPE A SNIPER WITH AN m12S...YOU CAN ONLY SUPPRESS.
You CAN however go 1v1 on any Battle Rifle, as long as you don't spray...smg's are accurate with CLICKING.
ask anyone that's at least half decent at this game *cough* not you *cough* and they'll tell you m12 is the biggest noob cannon out there. I had it, and sold it when i realized how OP and noob it is to use.
Ur a fail bro -
HeadWound13 wrote: »See, thats the problem with everyone...they thing that SMGs are supposed to be weak.
WRONG.
1) If they nerf it, it will be just like every other damn SMG (except the MP5)...no one will have it because it's too weak, and it takes too many bullets to kill someone with.
2) The m12s is NOT that powerful. It's just that in order to use it we have to be at least 1-6 feet away from you to deal maximum damage...snipers shouldn't even LET anyone get that close, first off, and secondly, they should have someone covering them in case someone sneaks up on the sniper...not the m12s users fault that you didn't set up a plan B in case of incoming pwnage...
3) You have an sniper rifle...no matter what SMG is heading towards you, you still only have to hit him ONCE (give or take your aiming at the proper places...) while he has to hit you at least 6-10 times (sometimes the bullets do 1-10 dmg...even at close range) from long range...it's not THAT accurate (only on the first 2 shots of so, then it spreads)...
This isn't the S-L were talking about, that can pretty much pass for a sniper rifle ANYWAY (at least they nerfed the damage...). This is a weapon that is the EQUALIZER to every high power rifle and sniper weapon in the game, because the MP5 wasn't getting the job done.
and u have a 2.0+ kd? geez pubstar -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Ok 20-25 + 40 round clip + almost every round hitting you (since its so easy to control) + the firing rate. It can kick your ass. My bro got it from the floor and he got 3, 6 kill streaks and he hasn't played this game for a week...
Gratz to him....I've done that too...but the people I did it on didn't see me coming, nor was I SPRAYING.
Also, I've used 2 whole clips on a person at 5 feet and only did 30 dmg...wasn't spraying. He wasn't lagging. We WERE jumping around though.
Oh, and the only people who are in here complaining about the weapon are the ones who happen to either be standing on the middle of some open play area, or camping someone place that when an SMG user would appear, they'd be cornered. They don't like losing to an SMG, so they start QQing...
I can't QQ about the M4A1-Silver somehow always 2 shotting me NOT in my head, because it's an accurate weapon...all I have to do it play smarter and take cover in places where the damn thing will have trouble hitting me an lure the fudger in to kill him.
BTW, before anyone tries to flame me on the topic, yes, I have an m12s. I also have a M4A1, and Breatta...and I'm good with all of them. Can't call people a n00b for using a weapon but still being fine with other ones also... -
UltraSuckyis wrote: »and u have a 2.0+ kd? geez pubstar
...smarts must elude people on this forum or something.
M12s is a newer gun...I bought it the day it came out, just like every one was running around trying to get that other gun (can't remember the name....)
I had got my damn 2.0+ when I still had my QBZ and Type89, which I sold for money...
So suck it down...
Oh, and I had a 2.0 when I CREATED my account, while using the m16...-___- -
don't listen to the headwound kid, he knows nothing -.-
And I'd like to know what weapons YOU use?
Let me guess...
AWM-C and D-E...?
Something more OP?
And then you complain about a SMG being a noob cannon? How much you want to be that even AFTER they nerf it TWICE you'll still be on here QQing about people killing you with it. -
HeadWound13 wrote: »...smarts must elude people on this forum or something.
M12s is a newer gun...I bought it the day it came out, just like every one was running around trying to get that other gun (can't remember the name....)
I had got my damn 2.0+ when I still had my QBZ and Type89, which I sold for money...
So suck it down...
Oh, and I had a 2.0 when I CREATED my account, while using the m16...-___-
* cough * in rookie * cough *
ure bad if ure saying M12s is not a noob cannon haha
and ure saying if a sniper fails in short range vs a m12 then the sniper is sad?
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HeadWound13 wrote: »And I'd like to know what weapons YOU use?
Let me guess...
AWM-C and D-E...?
Something more OP?
And then you complain about a SMG being a noob cannon? How much you want to be that even AFTER they nerf it TWICE you'll still be on here QQing about people killing you with it.
ddude, uninstall
how the hell is a sni per OP
lemme tell u the noob weps, M12S,KRISS,TOMMY,SCAR LIGHT, NOTHING ELSE, OK -
HeadWound13 wrote: »And I'd like to know what weapons YOU use?
Let me guess...
AWM-C and D-E...?
Something more OP?
And then you complain about a SMG being a noob cannon? How much you want to be that even AFTER they nerf it TWICE you'll still be on here QQing about people killing you with it.
AWM and Deagle are always strong weapons...in any game. You know why
The weapons I use are M4-Custom, Deagle-Scope/Camo, Winchester, AK47-Silver and Anaconda-Adv
When I tried the M12s for the first time, I just couldn't believe how OP it was. Made me think what CF was thinking.
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HeadWound13 wrote: »...smarts must elude people on this forum or something.
M12s is a newer gun...I bought it the day it came out, just like every one was running around trying to get that other gun (can't remember the name....)
I had got my damn 2.0+ when I still had my QBZ and Type89, which I sold for money...
So suck it down...
Oh, and I had a 2.0 when I CREATED my account, while using the m16...-___-
with the m12 u should have at least a 3.0. dude, noone cares about your dam excuses on why you use this gun, its dam OP. just like the kriss and scar l. why do you think it's not allowed in wogl smartass? -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »AWM and Deagle are always strong weapons...in any game. You know why
The weapons I use are M4-Custom, Deagle-Scope/Camo, Winchester, AK47-Silver and Anaconda-Adv
When I tried the M12s for the first time, I just couldn't believe how OP it was. Made me think what CF was thinking.
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awm and d.e are not op. nuff said -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »What about M4-C and AK-Scope...they're not OP in my opinion, yet they banned them.
no. wogl doesnt allow guns you need LUCK to get, so crate guns are not allowed and all the coupon guns either unless they're also accessible through BP, GP or ZP -
i think its funny how ppl think snipers r noob guns
ive gotten called a rifle noob, a sniper noob, a nade noob, a knife noob, a noob cuz i shift, a noob cuz i jump, a low pinger noob
ppl r such crybabies, cant they understand the only things thats OP is m12s,sl,kriss,and tommy -
Woot woot...L0LSmilyFace wrote: »AWM and Deagle are always strong weapons...in any game. You know why
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »
The weapons I use are M4-Custom, Deagle-Scope/Camo, Winchester, AK47-Silver and Anaconda-Adv
When I tried the M12s for the first time, I just couldn't believe how OP it was. Made me think what CF was thinking.
But still, you don't see a ton of m12s users Aceing matches...what everyone in this thread is REALLY complaining about is the amount of noobs running around with one...not how powerful it is. And trying to call me a noob for picking a weapon, liking it, and keeping it is just plain immature...I can use what ever gun I please, and like I said, I bet even if the nerf it TWICE, I'd still be blasting the junk outta people.
And I love how this other person is trying to call me a noob and crap without taking into mind that I use other weapons...
My ENTIRE CF history of weapons...
(In order)
Scar-H
K-2
Type89
QBZ
S-L
m12s
M4A1
Breatta
You can't just waltz into the game and pick up a weapon that sprays like the m12 and get kills...the other user HAS to be doing something wrong...
So UltraSuckyis, you can kiss my ass. You 'sold' it because it was OP? HA! MY ASS! Yous old it because people kept calling you a noob and you started crying, THAT'S what happened. You'd be in that group of people who used the Scar-Light and were defending it before it got nerfed and then jumped the bandwagon so you wouldn't have to deal with the backlash. I'm not selling my weapon just because you want to cry about me or someone else killing you with it...grow the frick up.
Cry cry cry all you want, your still going to get killed by them...just like everyone else who had to deal with the S-L. -
SPOPsssssss wrote: »OH OH I'm sorry I was over "there" enjoying something you don't have.... which is a LIFE! >;D
LoL, sure you do have a life, a life of a fail suxxor wich doesn't have no skill, and who's pennis is so small that he needs an op gun to show off his "virility". Hey guess what, you fail. -
UltraSuckyis wrote: »i think its funny how ppl think snipers r noob guns
ive gotten called a rifle noob, a sniper noob, a nade noob, a knife noob, a noob cuz i shift, a noob cuz i jump, a low pinger noob
ppl r such crybabies, cant they understand the only things thats OP is m12s,sl,kriss,and tommy
you know what's the stupidest? crouch noob -.-
sometimes when i crouch and hs someone, they're just like OMG KIK CROUCH NOOB -
L0LSmilyFace wrote: »Well sniping does takes skill, but most of them are camping pussays...
I only hate on AWMers because they use their teammates for cannon fodder so they can get into position for free long range kills.
And then they tend to be the 1st group of people who start QQin when someone rushes them and splats them to the ground...
SMG >= SNIPERS > RIFLES > SMGs
( >= greater than or Equal to...although that 'equal' isn't even close. They'd not nerf any SMG's based on the fact that the gun it NOT that accurate and you still have to be close enough to your target to totally wipe them anyway...) -
HeadWound13 wrote: »Woot woot...
But still, you don't see a ton of m12s users Aceing matches...what everyone in this thread is REALLY complaining about is the amount of noobs running around with one...not how powerful it is. And trying to call me a noob for picking a weapon, liking it, and keeping it is just plain immature...I can use what ever gun I please, and like I said, I bet even if the nerf it TWICE, I'd still be blasting the junk outta people.
And I love how this other person is trying to call me a noob and crap without taking into mind that I use other weapons...
My ENTIRE CF history of weapons...
(In order)
Scar-H
K-2
Type89
QBZ
S-L
m12s
M4A1
Breatta
You can't just waltz into the game and pick up a weapon that sprays like the m12 and get kills...the other user HAS to be doing something wrong...
So UltraSuckyis, you can kiss my ass. You 'sold' it because it was OP? HA! MY ASS! Yous old it because people kept calling you a noob and you started crying, THAT'S what happened. You'd be in that group of people who used the Scar-Light and were defending it before it got nerfed and then jumped the bandwagon so you wouldn't have to deal with the backlash. I'm not selling my weapon just because you want to cry about me or someone else killing you with it...grow the frick up.
Cry cry cry all you want, your still going to get killed by them...just like everyone else who had to deal with the S-L.
correction: it was ME that said i sold the gun cuz it was OP
you can spray with the m12 across long a in BW and get kills. It's the most ret.arded gun in the game, im telling you, its more accurate than some rifles in this game. dont u see ur the only one saying its not OP. get a good gun bro.
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