Final Debate:DSR1 vs AWM
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Lieutnant2 wrote: »du de i still QS with it and it works fine and maybe the 1.5x zoom is bad for you but dont say that for every1
i like it, and why is it for campers
i rush and it still works great usually get ace and i dont even try, and i dont have a pistol
and what does a crosshair have to do with the no scoping
actually think when u troll
Whats the point of QS if u can stay zommed in ? Huh? eh ? -
QS is when you switch weapons completly so you can get a better shot, well i believe you just have to right click with the DSR to do the same as a quick switch. overall i like everything about the DSR i got a 10 multikill with it on Prison and with awm the most i can get is to 6. If you miss a lot go with the awm if ur a 1 shotter go with DSR you can pick off more people quicker, and with more accuracy without the quick switch just by right click scope. the scope is also better for mid-long range kills where most of sniping happens
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AWM is way more maniable and polyvalent. It enables quick scoping. It reloads faster. It has a second scope mode. It's less heavy, and finally you don't take AGES to switch to it wich enables quick switching. I haven't got any advantages of the DSR-1 for now, aside that it looks a bit like a sawn off Barrett.
You kidding? DSR is ligther. -
QS is when you switch weapons completly so you can get a better shot, well i believe you just have to right click with the DSR to do the same as a quick switch. overall i like everything about the DSR i got a 10 multikill with it on Prison and with awm the most i can get is to 6. If you miss a lot go with the awm if ur a 1 shotter go with DSR you can pick off more people quicker, and with more accuracy without the quick switch just by right click scope. the scope is also better for mid-long range kills where most of sniping happens
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In the end, it's down to your preference after a first shot. Would you rather quickswitch and readjust position / "unpeak" (AWM), or would you rather stay scoped in and go for another shot from the same position (DSR)?
Lol honestly, it's getting annoying.
Why post with no evidence or reasoning to back up your statements?
It's just as bad as spam, or flaming as I am now.
Find out by urself ret-ard!! -
Lieutnant2 wrote: »to get a better look of my surroundings
and what rank r u and when did u start playing cuz u seem like a sfc or sumthing
Oh babeh , i started playing CF about 1.5 years ago and this isn't my main .
Btw lem me challenge u , make a new acc and u have 5 days to rank up and stuff. I didn't realy play hardcore so this isn't a good acc but i bet its better than that u'll make .
http://clan.z8games.com/charstat_cf.aspx?usn=8070603
5 days dude , don't be scared. -
You're a fking idiot.Find out by urself ret-ard!!
You ever debated? If you have, did you say "hi my point of view is correct, find out why urself ret-ard"? Actually, maybe I shouldn't ask that, I don't want to know the outcome.
I already know them, and I pointed it out in my post. You're just horrible. -
I actually bought a DSR, expecting it to be better then my awm, and decided it wasn't so. Don't get me wrong, I do like the DSR very much and the only thing that really gets me with it is the scope.. I don't like how far it zooms in, maybe thats just cause I'm not used to it but so far that was my only real dislike. I ended up reselling it, I'm just as good with my awm and I like the choice of being able to scope in once or twice. Personally, I don't think it matters they're very equal I guess its just which one your better with.
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FrenchyzSkillz wrote: »AWM easily,
So far AWM has been the best sniper in the game and is still the best sniper in the game.
Thats not My opinion thats a FACT.
I like the way you said it, like it it was written in stone ;-)
I will say again the obvious: use the gun you are more comfortable with.
I only start few months ago, then I'm still increasing my skill day after day. For me, DSR1 is pretty easier to use, the 1.5x zoom is fine, you can get use too, and the fact that you can stay zoom is good to make combo (in my opinion). I never been good using AWM. Maybe I should buy one and get use to it, but I think I'm too lazy ;-) -
Awm
Quick note, I played CS 1.0, 1.3, 1.5, on won.net; then 1.6 (STILL not quite used to steam); then CS:S, COD4, CF, COD4.2. 15+ years of play.
Specialized in S&D, own both awm and dsr.
Under ideal performance, you eliminate the enemy with one hit. And discounting legs that's a pretty big target, compared to HS with rifles/deag. Yes I'm only counting one-hit kill techniques.
Best for one-hit kill: AWM. It pulls out faster enabling you to spend more time with knife/deag out to get to your snipe spots. Getting to spots even .5 seconds later changes things...
After you get to your spot and you see 1 enemy. You kill him. Now what?
AWM or DSR is fine. You switch to knife/deag and go to a new spot. ALWAYS stay on the move because the noise you make alerts the whole darn party of where you are.
After you get to your spot and you see multiple enemies. You kill one. Now what?
Depends on the situation. If the opponents are distracted you want to kill quickly. DSR is great for this and I HAVE encountered such situations. But if they aren't far enough to require a zoomx2 like mine/santoria/bwidow, you should take out the deag and pop their heads anyways. If the opponents are NOT distracted you will want to get OUT and re-peek that position. Both guns take too long to chamber to the next round.
The biggest issue I have on the DSR is after you fire you can't quickly unscope. This forces me to 2 choices: Either stay scoped in as I chamber, blind as a bat to my surroundings, or switch to knife/deag and switch back to DSR slowly. Both are very bad options and in TD I usually die as a result.
If you think about it, both guns take a long time to chamber to next round. But AWM lets you look around as you chamber, and DSR lets you re-aim as you chamber. It's a matter of what do you want to do as you wait for the next bullet. Personally, I come to prefer looking around as I chamber to next round. In fact, I prefer if the gun didn't scope again untill I tell it to, which is why I QS back to awm, and keep looking around...
The point of sniping is to kill opponents quickly regardless of range and shot placement on body. You spend aLOT more time getting to spots, listening, and looking around. You will value pulling your gun out faster, versatility in scope, speed in reload, and unscope after you fire. Maximize awareness. Spot the opponent. Mental work. Psychout enemies. Camp. Kill fast and clean. Move on.
Snipers spend 90% looking around, 9% scoping out spots, 1% firefight. For such style of play (sniping), I recommend the AWM. -
Depends on the situation, I think. You have to balance offense/defensive mindsets, offensively, you want to put accurate fire down or a lot of shots out to get kills and give your team better odds, defensively sniping, you want to get kills or force the offense into a manageable area for your teammates to kill them.
I like the DSR as an offensive sniper more than the AWM, just because the fire rate lets you pick ranged targets faster, and GR tends to remain stationary in defensive positions, so scouting for them isn't a must-have as long as you have a bit of game sense. However, the AWM is nice as well if there's roving GR's around that you'll have to locate quickly once you start shooting, it's just personal preference for me.
And the AWM is a nice defensive sniper to me because it gives you the ability to fire, look for where the next target is moving to, then locate and fire again quickly, something you have to be able to do well to stand a chance. Likewise though, when BL mass rushes.....having 5 one-hit kill bullets being able to be fired rapidly and accurately makes the DSR a monster in the right circumstances, though against skilled BL's who spread out, you gotta be really good, really lucky, or some combination of the two, or else you'll take one and then take a bullet to the head long before you can scope in on the other.
Overall, I like the DSR more, I'm a rifler much more so than a sniper, so it's nice to be able to put effective fire down rapidly, the AWM's a great gun too, but most SnD maps, when you see one target, there's at least one more nearby, not to mention others that will be coming your way once they hear shooting, so the ability to shoot and shoot fast makes it the sniper I'd rather have. -
BadVoodoo1 wrote: »Depends on the situation, I think. You have to balance offense/defensive mindsets, offensively, you want to put accurate fire down or a lot of shots out to get kills and give your team better odds, defensively sniping, you want to get kills or force the offense into a manageable area for your teammates to kill them.
I like the DSR as an offensive sniper more than the AWM, just because the fire rate lets you pick ranged targets faster, and GR tends to remain stationary in defensive positions, so scouting for them isn't a must-have as long as you have a bit of game sense. However, the AWM is nice as well if there's roving GR's around that you'll have to locate quickly once you start shooting, it's just personal preference for me.
And the AWM is a nice defensive sniper to me because it gives you the ability to fire, look for where the next target is moving to, then locate and fire again quickly, something you have to be able to do well to stand a chance. Likewise though, when BL mass rushes.....having 5 one-hit kill bullets being able to be fired rapidly and accurately makes the DSR a monster in the right circumstances, though against skilled BL's who spread out, you gotta be really good, really lucky, or some combination of the two, or else you'll take one and then take a bullet to the head long before you can scope in on the other.
Overall, I like the DSR more, I'm a rifler much more so than a sniper, so it's nice to be able to put effective fire down rapidly, the AWM's a great gun too, but most SnD maps, when you see one target, there's at least one more nearby, not to mention others that will be coming your way once they hear shooting, so the ability to shoot and shoot fast makes it the sniper I'd rather have.
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BadVoodoo1 wrote: »Depends on the situation, I think. You have to balance offense/defensive mindsets, offensively, you want to put accurate fire down or a lot of shots out to get kills and give your team better odds, defensively sniping, you want to get kills or force the offense into a manageable area for your teammates to kill them.
I like the DSR as an offensive sniper more than the AWM, just because the fire rate lets you pick ranged targets faster, and GR tends to remain stationary in defensive positions, so scouting for them isn't a must-have as long as you have a bit of game sense. However, the AWM is nice as well if there's roving GR's around that you'll have to locate quickly once you start shooting, it's just personal preference for me.
And the AWM is a nice defensive sniper to me because it gives you the ability to fire, look for where the next target is moving to, then locate and fire again quickly, something you have to be able to do well to stand a chance. Likewise though, when BL mass rushes.....having 5 one-hit kill bullets being able to be fired rapidly and accurately makes the DSR a monster in the right circumstances, though against skilled BL's who spread out, you gotta be really good, really lucky, or some combination of the two, or else you'll take one and then take a bullet to the head long before you can scope in on the other.
Overall, I like the DSR more, I'm a rifler much more so than a sniper, so it's nice to be able to put effective fire down rapidly, the AWM's a great gun too, but most SnD maps, when you see one target, there's at least one more nearby, not to mention others that will be coming your way once they hear shooting, so the ability to shoot and shoot fast makes it the sniper I'd rather have.
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After I picked up the DSR and used it, I never really touched my AWM. Why would I? I might on occasion use an AWM-C and RD if I got it, but thats about it. The 1.5x zoom is perfect, as i hardly ever use the second zoom on an AWM. and the DSR's is enough to get better HS' without sacrificing your vision.
The thing is a beast for no scopes. Even more so than the AWM or even M700. It has good accuracy while moving especially.
People complain about the speed of the reload and draw of the weapon, but I hardly notice the difference. The AWM seems slower in that regard, but that could be just me.
The major bonus is the ability to stay zoomed even after firing or getting shot. Which is a great advantage. As it allows quicker recovery and stay in the fight longer, unscoping for a sniper usually means death when its unintentional.
And of course... the ROF.
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I find that both snipers have their pros and cons. The awm is better for quick switching and quick scope. However, the dsr-1 is superior at picking people off at chokepoints. The zoom is just perfect for medium range. And if multiple enemies come into the chokepoint the dsr-1's ROF would quickly take them out. But I find the awm is more versatile in every other situation.
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