ZP Crates = lottery So...

chris21010 wrote: »

Thus like all the rest of the Lotteries out there i demand to know my chances of getting the grand prize in these crates.

I'm with you on this one. Were it a real lottery operated in my country with applicable regulations they would be forced to disclose the odds of winning all the prizes. But it's not.

Personally I think they vary the odds based on times they think more or less people are on, but that would obviously be pure speculation, as would any attempt to to try to determine the odds of winning in this system. very shady...

chris21010 wrote: »

but again i dont care for this luck of yours and the GP crates. only the ZP crates, since those are the ones you can only get if they (Z8Games) make money from you, surveys or cash.

While I agree they should tell us how it is exactly that it is derived you are playing it at your own risk so if you don't want to play without knowing the odds then don't. Not trying to come off as a jerk here or anything I agree with you 100% they should tell us at least the odds if not how it is calculated.

1/180.2435876 chance of winning at the black market!

tdotsmooth wrote: »

Since they hold all the cards I think they change the odds as they see fit. You see since the government hasn't figured out that these cash shop games are basically running a lottery w/ no real payout, they haven't forced them to go by the rules that govern normal "legit" gambling establishments. My guess legislation will be coming the way of these companies when the government finally puts the puzzle together. The companies are currently trying to hide the fact that they are basically hosting illegal gaming w/o abiding by the laws that govern such things such as "NO ONE UNDER 18". Say what you will but this is peddling gambling to underage people. Before anyone says it I've actually done legit offers like game fly and won everything i have for free other than maybe 100 dollars over the last year and a half and I was very lucky.

On a side note I think there will be hell to pay when they figure out the whole cell phone scam which is a way for these companies to charge children w/o getting the parents consent, if you notice under those offers it says "no credit card required!" its to make the kids think its free, think again kids its fraud and as other tech authors have written eventually these scams will be legislated or in the case of the phone offers I think shut down completely.

This is all very true and valid points. Yet that many more reasons i think they should just have it where the guns are in a store and either zp or gp based on its ability.

I haven't won RPK-camo after 320 crates. <

I think that the more crates you buy in a small amount of time, the less chance of winning.

So, if you buy 300 crates one day, then 300 the next day, you have less chance of winning then someone who's been playing for a year then bought their first 10 crates.

Yeah its random xD. I've got all weapons from Black Market except for
M60-Adv, AK-Knive and M16S-Camo.
And the next time i'll get ZP i'll win M60 Adv and AK knife.
I dont know why, but i always win the guns i want to have

So its all luck!

ImYourH3ro wrote: »

IT IS RANDOM.

People keep saying that like it negates the idea of odds....

Perhaps you have wondered how predictable machines like computers can generate randomness. In reality, most random numbers used in computer programs are pseudo-random, which means they are a generated in a predictable fashion using a mathematical formula. this ultimately means that in computer terms, radom is impossible because they all use a constant: the algorithms.
I have dabbled marginally in coding and I know that there are statement you can use in programs that will use the system's clock to try and generate true randomness, but alas this is a basepoint and therefore is not true randomness. true randomness is found in nature and in thing that cannot be predicted or controlled, and i quote:

"Several computational methods for random number generation exist, but often fall short of the goal of true randomness — though they may meet, with varying success, some of the statistical tests for randomness intended to measure how unpredictable their results are (that is, to what degree their patterns are discernible). Only in 2010 the first truly random computational number generator was produced, recurring to principles of quantum physics."
(from wikipedia.org)

i doubt z8games has this technology, and therefore support this thread entirely.
however another point that i should make is that any program with a predictable set of results can be cracked, or there will be a number that will always give a cirtain result.

the spinner on the crates could also help with the randomness and if used in conjunction with the algarithms can become increadibly close to true randomness.

in spite of this, z8games could put a criteria for negating or selecting cirtain nuber which could be a system of weighting the results.

in conclusion, z8games could well be manipulating the black market as they see fit, even if the result are random.

mat

(p.s apologies for the walls of text :P)

sandwichROAR wrote: »

It's not gambling if you can't win money. Even if you spend it, it's not gambling. That's why Yugioh cards are legal and make a ton of money, same principle as ZP. For a nominal fee, you can get an extra line of code in Crossfire, which may or not be the code you wanted, or a pack of cardboard pieces which may not contain the cardboard you wanted.

The comparison to collector's cards is an interesting point, although not quite accurate, IMO. With the playing cards you are purchasing cards, therefore a direct sale is made. As far as I remember, from back when I used to purchase sports cards, the package of the cards would state how many cards are in the set, which would in effect be your odds of getting the cards you want. (X cards in package)/(Y cards in set) = your probability of getting the card you wanted.

With this game, you don't purchase crates. You purchase ZP. Once this purchase is complete, the seller is no longer held to the same rules for their "virtual currency" that they would be held to for real money. I have seen this concept used in a pyramid scheme someone once tried to get me to buy into (of course unsuccessfully). There is a post in the forum where they state specifically the black market is a lottery system. However, because it uses a virtual currency, they are allowed to operate their "lottery system" to the means they see fit.

ImYourH3ro wrote: »

You demand? You act like you are the center of the world. STFU AND GTFO.
IT IS RANDOM.

You miss the point entirely...

"Probability" - google it

for a crash course, you flip a coin, whether it lands as heads or tails, is COMPLETELY RANDOM. However there are 2 possible outcomes of one toss, heads or tails. so to flip heads (1 outcome) your probability is (given outcome) / (total number of outcomes) = 1/2 or 50% this can be projected for all circumstances with known operational variables.

and Z8 knows their variables and their odds, so why do they not share this?


Ands as rolleym pointed out it can't be completely random, only based on a (to an extent) predictable algorithm

Rolleym wrote: »

Perhaps you have wondered how predictable machines like computers can generate randomness. In reality, most random numbers used in computer programs are pseudo-random, which means they are a generated in a predictable fashion using a mathematical formula. this ultimately means that in computer terms, radom is impossible because they all use a constant: the algorithms.
I have dabbled marginally in coding and I know that there are statement you can use in programs that will use the system's clock to try and generate true randomness, but alas this is a basepoint and therefore is not true randomness. true randomness is found in nature and in thing that cannot be predicted or controlled, and i quote:

"Several computational methods for random number generation exist, but often fall short of the goal of true randomness — though they may meet, with varying success, some of the statistical tests for randomness intended to measure how unpredictable their results are (that is, to what degree their patterns are discernible). Only in 2010 the first truly random computational number generator was produced, recurring to principles of quantum physics."
(from wikipedia.org)

i doubt z8games has this technology, and therefore support this thread entirely.
however another point that i should make is that any program with a predictable set of results can be cracked, or there will be a number that will always give a cirtain result.

the spinner on the crates could also help with the randomness and if used in conjunction with the algarithms can become increadibly close to true randomness.

in spite of this, z8games could put a criteria for negating or selecting cirtain nuber which could be a system of weighting the results.

in conclusion, z8games could well be manipulating the black market as they see fit, even if the result are random.

mat

(p.s apologies for the walls of text :P)

Than you for typing this so I didn't have to(one wall of text per day for me). This was my point and you made it so well. The fact is even if people cling to the idea that z8 made it "random" that doesn't discount the fact that they can figure the win percentages and give you a "rough" idea of what your odds are but thats just it, I think the odds get manipulated as they see fit thus they don't give you the odds because those themselves are variable as well.

The whole idea that this isn't gambling because there is no "cash" payout is false. Gambling could be for virtual guns or anything else you want to risk resources w/ a chance of getting something in return. O and those who say something along the lines of gtfo, take your e thug attitude elsewhere, for those of us who are grown we're just laughing at ya.