Non hackers getting kicked for hacking - A very possible & viable solution.
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Arn't you doing what you say what I'm doing? I immature because I'm 14 which is still a young age. For the fact of where I'm using my computer its not the basement, not like you believe me thats where I play my console games. I act like a tough guy because thats what Gus does, He acts all tough he admits a Canadian guy can beat him down by staring at him. He is amazing so why not follow him.
I hate to admit I kinda like this guy, at least he's speaking his mind. Also he swears a lot, so what? So do I. I just don't try to bypass the swear filter though. In my opinion the swear filter is another thing that should be abolished, both from forums and in the game. If anything it should be optional.
Language and free speech are essential. Whether that's swearing or not. Words only have the power you give to them and by censoring them you're giving them a LOT of power. So much that you can't even bear to see or hear them. What's wrong with **** **** **** anal sex ***** ***** **** ass titties hermaphrodite? Just words people. Even the actions or things they embody are natural, why are people so scared to learn or have their children learn and understand these things? There's nothing wrong with them, there's something wrong with people.
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I think this idea is creative but there are flaws. As we know, about 30% of people don't even choose to vote and with pretty much no hackers actually around people are mainly kicked for being idle. But, thinking in the mind of the opposite team, they would want an idle player on the other team. Thus denying the kick, and creating a false bad record. And, let's say the hacker is on the same team as the host. The host could and is often times a noob who just wants to win, also resaulting in not kicking hackers. But does that go on their record? No, because it simply can't. Creative but there are better ways to change it.
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Lol @ WhiteTigerXL's post. Youre dead on about him lol, he is a sad pathetic little monkey troll who cowers behind his pc like the little nerd-boy tough guy that he thinks he is & attacks people cuz he is himself sad & lonely & weak. Prolly gets picked on at school & feels his only recourse is to come to forums & harass people, hiding behind the safety of his pc lol.
Sigish youre using your alt account now cuz your other was banned it would seem. Guess what dumbass? Reported again & banned again. Keep it up cuz its only fun for me to see little cretins like you get whats coming to them. And you proved nothing here except what a pathetic moron you are. Grats on that.
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"Thanks. I've removed those posts and infracted him.
If he receives one more infraction he will be banned."
Despite what your childish little posts would say, the facts speak to the contrary. Your behavior is not acceptable & not tolerated. Youre going to learn this whether you like it or not.
Ill be busy this weekend, be back later to follow up on some of the real posts from the real posters here. -
In my opinion the only, and best solution to being kicked is to...
1. Play with you clan mates.
2. Be funny and nice, talk a lot.(Being silent leaves you more likely to be kicked)
3. Stay in a general Server/channel, people will get to know you after awhile.(Me and my RL friend Max_Skillz play G.M. almost all the time in Westcoast C1, and we hardly get kicked anymore)
Some helpful & good ideas for sure as far as trying to deal with this problem the best one can, but many of us are simply tired of trying to swim against the tide & simply make due with an imperfect system. Again good ideas as far as trying to deal with the problem but there needs to be a change here so people can just play without having to resort to extra measures to ensure this happens.i like ur idea and implementing lollyrogers into urs makes it even better...hope the concerned authorities note this and do something about it...but we should also consider the fact that vote kick is a basic feature of the game and implementing ur idea would require an excessive rewriting of the game programme itself so its gonna take a long time before someone does anything about it...anywyz i am with u dude...even i m tired of getting kicked out of rooms....gud luck
BBVAD, thank you very much for your comments & support. Yeah Im sure it would require an extensive amount of time & recoding but hey if it works, then its worth it for all of the players that would benefit from a system that does its job while not punishing the innocent so much all the time. And providing an all around better & higher quality gaming environment for Z8's customers. Again, thanks for your input. ( :same...
when i play gm somethimes i own a good score like 30 - 1 and players call me a hacker.
when low ranked players plays gm they kamp too much and i kill them very easilly, so 1 say hacker and then all ghosts keep saying hacker and abusing me or insulting, so 1 my teammate who is frend of a ghost or clan mate kick me (i know a reasons when i have been kicked because the second one player want ACE and MVP!), after game usually i got kicked if ghost player is a host.
its sad...
Yes it is sad. Your story is one out of thousands & thats just one of the many bogus reasons why people are unfairly & unjustly kicked all the time & why were looking for a change here.
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simple remove the kick system and patch glitching
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Like Soldier Front did, cause they had problems with the kick being abused to much.PurityNDeath wrote: »Thank you, that is ALL we need, it would fix most of the game's problems right now.
The other would be make people on your team walk-throughable. That was we fix blockers too. Those three things are the major problems in the game right now that would be fixed so easily.
Purity, I know youre for abolishing the vote kick period, but me personally, I think we still need one for all the other problems that arise.
I dont know bout the other modes since Ive been stuck on MM for a while now, but I keep hearing theres really not any hacking going on anymore. Well, I can easily say, without question, theres still tons of hacking going on in Mutant Mode. One-shot kill hack in particular. Maybe its cuz there is no vote kick in MM that hackers flock to this Mode more than others. But hacking will never completely go away.
I think theyve done a good job with the new anti hack program but what will the future bring? Theres always someone looking to beat the system & write a new code & program & others will use it to do their in game hacking.
Also what about those that want to sit there & spam chat channel over and over? What about those that are just punks that want to pick on people & harass them, either through text or just in game behavior. And as Ive said before I personaly dont care bout some bad language here & there, but when its used at others to attack them & harass them when they didnt do anything to warrant it, thats not acceptable with me. And crap like this happens too much.
So, for these reasons & others I do think we need an in game kick system, just needs to be revised so that it works fairly & properly & so that it doesnt screw over the good, decent, honest players so much as it does now.
As for blocking yeah, theres been an excellent suggestion offered to counter this. Make it so that only at certain parts of the map where this occurs, can other mutants either bump into each other & nudge them out of the way or yeah make it so they can go straight through them. And only at these trouble spots, not the rest of the map so gameplay stays pretty much exactly the same way as it is now.
But from my personal experience, I still personally think we need to be able to have a vote kick system to get rid of all the other real trouble makers. Just need to fix it so its not abused so easily & often as it is.DeadHunter7 wrote: »I think this idea is creative but there are flaws. As we know, about 30% of people don't even choose to vote and with pretty much no hackers actually around people are mainly kicked for being idle. But, thinking in the mind of the opposite team, they would want an idle player on the other team. Thus denying the kick, and creating a false bad record. And, let's say the hacker is on the same team as the host. The host could and is often times a noob who just wants to win, also resaulting in not kicking hackers. But does that go on their record? No, because it simply can't. Creative but there are better ways to change it.
Well, I dont think of my system as 100% perfect, but I do thinks its almost perfect in many & very & most important ways, & infinitely better then the system we have now. Sure a room host could chose not to kick someone on their side that should be kicked, such as a hacker, glitcher; etc. & since there would be no vote yeah, it wouldnt count against them, but lets not be so quick to forget & dismiss all the other great things about my system Ive suggested as there are still many good things here that will work & will help to keep things running much much better then they are now, in regards to the hacking, glitching, all around abuse & unfair kicks that happen all the time.
Also as Ive mentioned, perhaps we could also offer an end game vote on the room host as to whether people thought the room host did a good, quality job or not. Offer this on a sliding scale as well. 1% - 100% To better streamline this process, allow the option of say 25%, 50% 75% 90% or 100% And along the lines of what Ive mentioned before, to keep the voters fair & honest about their votes, if their vote is way too different then the majority of the other voters, give them a penalty for repeated occurrences of this. -
Read your idea and it sounds good to me. Powers can be taken as fast as they can be given if abused.
Thankyou for taking the time to read my suggestion. In short yep, thats part of what my idea is about and part of the reason why I strongly believe this would work quite nicely. -
TimStryker wrote: »Thankyou for taking the time to read my suggestion. In short yep, thats part of what my idea is about and part of the reason why I strongly believe this would work quite nicely.
I've been doing quite a bit of MM lately too. It's fun. ;D But I also heard from my stupid friends that there are some nice viruses going around with supposed Crossfire hacks lately. ;D
Hopefully that was Z8's doing somehow but I dunno if I would award them that much credit and also I think it's illegal to do that even though it shouldn't be.
At any rate hopefully that's teaching some idiots (like my friends who I scolded and had to do a windows rollback for) not to try and cheat. Now if only they'd randomly one day just change the glitching through things to make you fall through the world and die every single time without mentioning it in the patch notes we could all laugh at the ******s some more. ;D
Also as a side note: Outside of MM I've been getting blasted with vote kicks less but I am kinda out of practice in Alaska. I've been burning some 7-day guns from crates on a lot of TDM's and Columbia. So either way wasn't doing /extremely/ well in many of those. :X!! -
PurityNDeath wrote: »I've been doing quite a bit of MM lately too. It's fun. ;D But I also heard from my stupid friends that there are some nice viruses going around with supposed Crossfire hacks lately. ;D
Hopefully that was Z8's doing somehow but I dunno if I would award them that much credit and also I think it's illegal to do that even though it shouldn't be.
At any rate hopefully that's teaching some idiots (like my friends who I scolded and had to do a windows rollback for) not to try and cheat. Now if only they'd randomly one day just change the glitching through things to make you fall through the world and die every single time without mentioning it in the patch notes we could all laugh at the ******s some more. ;D
( : You never know, perhaps one of the CF players decided to take a stand, thats tired of all these hackers thinking they can screw others over & get away with it. Turning the tables on these individuals sounds like a perfectly apt piece of justice to me. ( :
And yeah one of these days maybe Z8 will take the time to update their code a little to allow these glitchers a one way ticket to the bottomless pit lol, that would be funny indeed. ( :PurityNDeath wrote: »Also as a side note: Outside of MM I've been getting blasted with vote kicks less but I am kinda out of practice in Alaska. I've been burning some 7-day guns from crates on a lot of TDM's and Columbia. So either way wasn't doing /extremely/ well in many of those. :X!!
Lol, well thats good anyway that youre getting kicked less. Thats one of the biggest appeals to MM for me is not having to deal with that kinda crap anymore. Just gets to be so damn annoying, with MM, long as youre room host, no worries. Cant promise Ill keep up with ya conversation wise lol, but stop by my room again sometime, next time youre in the mood for some MM. ( : -
TimStryker wrote: »Who will want to read this post? Educated players with an above 5th grade reading level who are also affected by getting kicked all the time unfairly & also those that are sick of hackers & glitchers ruining their game. Anybody with an ounce of common sense & maturity who wish to see these issues dealt with. Thats who.
You obviously do not fall into any of these categories. And as this is a suggestion board were people come to post their ideas, thoughts & opinions, hopefully good intelligent ones such as mine is, & you have nothing of those previously mentioned qualities to offer you need to just stop with your pointless negativity and go troll somewhere else.
Antagonistic trolls like you are not welcome here, I said I welcome any constructive thoughts & opinions, not childish immature & meaningless posts as you have just made.
Also you have just been reported for harrassment & foul language. Have a good day.
I'm not reading it because CF probably won't allow it and plus, there's too many threads about changing the vote system. Never gonna happen, mainly because it's quite fair to be honest, and if you get kicked while having a good score, what can you do? C'est la vie. -
Vizored222 wrote: »I'm not reading it because CF probably won't allow it and plus, there's too many threads about changing the vote system. Never gonna happen, mainly because it's quite fair to be honest, and if you get kicked while having a good score, what can you do? C'est la vie.
You just contradicted yourself nub.
And CF won't allow it because as the mods have pretty much indirectly pointed out, they are soon going to make good players have to PAY to be able to play without being kicked every 2 games...
And it is noobs like you that make them think they can get away with that. congrats. -
yes u do write 2 much cause ur idea wont work nuff saidTimStryker wrote: »Nope, for the problem & issues at hand I dont write too much, perhaps only for those with a low attention span or those who just arent that interested in the issues. The fact is this is a very complicated problem here, therefor requiring a very complete & thorough detailed analysis & strategy to be laid out in writing, which is what Ive done here. You think you can come up with a better idea that will truly resolve these problems like I believe my idea will & keep it super short & simple, then please go ahead.nucksfan123 wrote: »ya it is way to long. the answer is no its not gonna work cause then we would get kicked twice as much by a nob host, unalbe to kick higher ranks that start to hack when they get clear of the system.
I think we should force any1 that has a negative k/d into a spare server 4 noobs. then make another server for ppl with higher ranks. that would seperate MOST of the noobs and pros.
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nucksfan123 wrote: »yes u do write 2 much cause ur idea wont work nuff said
. and i have come up with a better solution
I have had Lts, captains, Sergeants, trainees.. everyone QQ at me in GM. ESPECIALLY the captains who think a shovel and M4A1 Custom makes them pro. -
TimStryker wrote: »Any time during the game where a room host kicks another player out, a vote screen could pop up for all the other players giving them the option to vote in favor of the room hosts kick, or against. Meaning whether they thought the kick was fair & justified, or unfair & unjustified. These votes could either all be tallied up individually & made part of the room hosts permanent record or say if the majority of voters either agree or disagree, maybe 70% or higher sounds good, positively or negatively, one individual mark could be counted on their record reflecting this.
i see a problem with this. combat arms has a similar system, and nearly all of the time, the vote would be positive since nobody cares to vote. this would make someone almost always have a positive score.
another thing, hackers wouldn't kick anybody, and people would join there room with someone that has 0,0 score. i know some people (my sister) who always refuses to leave a room due to honor. what are you going to do then?
thanks for listening
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Vizored222 wrote: »I'm not reading it because CF probably won't allow it and plus, there's too many threads about changing the vote system. Never gonna happen, mainly because it's quite fair to be honest, and if you get kicked while having a good score, what can you do? C'est la vie.
You can come here and give them a better system. Then if they don't fix it, it's not for lack of you trying, it's for lack of them either being reasonable or skilled enough. (Sound familiar?)
Why do idiots always love to run their mouths about things they don't comprehend while contradicting themselves?
Also it's not fair at all. What it is is abused. Profoundly abused. -
WhiteTigerXL wrote: »You just contradicted yourself nub.
And CF won't allow it because as the mods have pretty much indirectly pointed out, they are soon going to make good players have to PAY to be able to play without being kicked every 2 games...
And it is noobs like you that make them think they can get away with that. congrats.
Hey, you saw what I saw. ;D Man, why isn't everyone that plays cool like Tiger, Stryker and Dissident? Answer me this everyone else: Why are you so incapable of being awesome and intelligent? -
i see a problem with this. combat arms has a similar system, and nearly all of the time, the vote would be positive since nobody cares to vote. this would make someone almost always have a positive score.
another thing, hackers wouldn't kick anybody, and people would join there room with someone that has 0,0 score. i know some people (my sister) who always refuses to leave a room due to honor. what are you going to do then?
thanks for listening
~dewero
We already have sort of the same system here, if you don't vote it counts as a negative. I'm sure a lot of people don't vote because they know it will just be negative so why hit the extra button while playing when they don't agree? It's probably the same thing in Combat Arms, they liked it and know it will be counted positively is they just don't hit anything so why bother?
We don't have many hackers here to worry about. Although in the rooms we do have them it's very easy to simply leave. Honor means nothing so who cares?
Aside from that it's fun to fight the occasional hacker because killing them is very satisfying.
Also just report them at the end or change your temp replay after leaving into a .cfr file after leaving because there's a hacker and send it in. -
PurityNDeath wrote: »Hey, you saw what I saw. ;D Man, why isn't everyone that plays cool like Tiger, Stryker and Dissident? Answer me this everyone else: Why are you so incapable of being awesome and intelligent?
I know this may sound arrogant but I agree^
It should of read "Man, why isn't everyone that plays cool like Tiger, Stryker and Dissident and I"
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Vizored222 wrote: »Never gonna happen, mainly because it's quite fair to be honest, and if you get kicked while having a good score, what can you do? C'est la vie.
Vizored, do you really believe this current kick system is quite fair? I think youll find a lot of people strongly disagree with that statement. perhaps you havent played CF that much yet or for other reasons that are your own you feel that way, but really, for anyone good enough and/or thats played CF long enough, we know...
The current vote kick system is greatly lacking & is just about as much of a hindrance & annoyance, as much as it sometimes helps to get rid of the real trouble makers & actually do its job, fairly & responsibly.
Yes, most of us realize thats its the people behind the system who use it & abuse it that are ultimately at fault. But as the point has come up several times, youre not gonna change the people, so change the system, so that it properly takes into account this one major problem in the equation - People.
YES, people are the problem here, so lets get a vote kick system that properly takes this very important variable into the equation & get a new vote kick system that is comprised & operates in a way to prevent these people from abusing this very system to begin with. There may never be a perfect system. But there could & should be a better system in place and there has to be a change here.nucksfan123 wrote: »yes u do write 2 much cause ur idea wont work nuff said
. and i have come up with a better solution
Nope, just cuz you say nuff said doesnt make it so. And what kind of intelligent argument is that anyway? "yes u do write 2 much cause ur idea wont work nuff said"???
Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Just as my opinion is mine. And others have offered up their opinions, both in favor of & some against it. Only difference is, most of these people have taken the time to back up their opinions, with intelligent, relevant & well thought out feedback.
So far youve just mainly said. oh its too long I cant read it & i dont think your idea will work & u write way to much. just say wat u gotta say and stop writing so much. no1 wants 2 read it.
Obviously plenty of people have read it as they have taken the time to post their "CONSTRUCTIVE" relevant feedback on the matter. And you have offered none of that so far and finished up by offering a suggestion/opinion of your own. Its good youre not the forum police, otherwise youd try to give me a ticket for writing too much quality subject matter while youre guilty of offering far too little. And thats just what my posts contain, quality, whether youre for or against the ideas therein.
Before you post again, try re-reading the original post in full to make sure you fully understand & comprehend what is being said this time. And if you cant focus that long to read these big long posts & offer up some intelligent counter points to back up your opinion, with some real substance & relevance to my original post or just anything in general pertaining to the topic at hand & its just too much for you to do that, simply move on. Youre just wasting everyones time including your own. Or is that not nuff said?i see a problem with this. combat arms has a similar system, and nearly all of the time, the vote would be positive since nobody cares to vote. this would make someone almost always have a positive score.
Well, as Ive mentioned before, we could make it so that there is no positive or negative mark added to the room hosts record period, unless a majority % of the players agree with each other either way.
For example, roughly 65 - 75% of the other players votes in the room would have to be the same vote, for example, 70% agree 30% disagree; or 90% agree 10% disagree, then the host gets a positive mark. If it is much less then 70%, say for example 55% agree & 45% disagree, then all of the votes are nullified for that particular vote & the host doesnt receive a positive or negative mark either way.
And if one or more people dont bother to vote, then their vote doesnt count towards the final tallie either way & there would have to be a minimum number of players in the game that have to vote together each time or none of the votes count. Say at least 10 players have to vote each time in order for the final vote to even count. These numbers are all theoretical & might need a little tweaking but hopefully you get the idea.
As far as lack of people voting, IDK I think on average most people will vote & most will be fair & for those that dont vote fairly, my system already takes these people into consideration by making it so the majority has to be in agreement with each other for the vote to even count on the room hosts record. I think this mathematical formula will weed out the few irresponsible voters who would vote unfairly & prevent their inappropriate votes from making any difference. And as stated before in my posts, there are also incentives/consequences in place to help keep peoples votes more honest and fair.another thing, hackers wouldn't kick anybody, and people would join there room with someone that has 0,0 score. i know some people (my sister) who always refuses to leave a room due to honor. what are you going to do then?
As Ive mentioned in my previous posts, There wont be very many hackers as unkickable room hosts to begin with as this system requires a high enough rank to be a unkickable room host that most people wont be foolish and careless enough to risk losing their account by hacking or glitching.
Simply cuz they will be reported, and again these players with this special status will be under even more scrutiny then a normal player & will be much more likely to be reported much faster & more often. Also Ive suggested a final vote on the room hosts conduct that each player can vote on. Same principle requirements as stated above for these votes to count also.
And thank you for your post dewero.
And thanks for the kind words Purity. ( : -
"Well, as Ive mentioned before, we could make it so that there is no positive or negative mark added to the room hosts record period, unless a majority % of the players agree with each other either way.
For example, roughly 65 - 75% of the other players votes in the room would have to be the same vote, for example, 70% agree 30% disagree; or 90% agree 10% disagree, then the host gets a positive mark. If it is much less then 70%, say for example 55% agree & 45% disagree, then all of the votes are nullified for that particular vote & the host doesnt receive a positive or negative mark either way. "
This is ******ed honestly since it takes around 90% of Yes votes to get a kick, and seeing how often that happens, as well as the 70% voting to kick a GR in GM, it will be the GOOD players who are negative for kicking QQers and failing because BL noobs always protect their own in GM and most GR tend to not vote against BL so it gets counted as "Nay", and BAD players who successfully kick GOOD players or ALMOST kick them EVERY GAME because most of the CF community are labotomized lab rats working for Valve to make you want to play TF2 even more. -
I've read the whole thing, completly took me a long 1 hour 47 minutes lol(yes I made that time up but its around 1 hour lol), and I see 1 flaw, and it is this :
You know those would-be punks that tend to make an a,ss of themselves? well what if they make a good un-kickable host have negativity that will make him get for example 60% negative and 40% positive? what if this actually gets tested, then those idiots will try to make this thing not be good by making those test subjects(high ranked un-kickable hosts wich might be actually the good guys) have more negativity than positivy wich will make your idea fall down and make as an effort to actually create the perfect game community go kapot just like that?
But I do say this idea is one essential to getting closer to a perfect gaming community, the problems there are is that people may h,ac,k their ranks and make them have 1st/2nd LT rank in just a few days(I played mw2 in my ps3 and a friend told me that his "clan" h,ack,ed their ranks so they can get the last prestige level, wich will probably take.... few years to get, depending on how much you play but it'll take a few years for an average player like myself, but if someone is able to h,ac,k a game console like that, then probably theres even better ha,ck,ers in the internet) And the total abusing of random kicking.
I do sometimes would like to know a glitch and try it out for fun and just use it for a couple of times but still I know its frustrating for other people(I really know its annoying trying to kill someone that's out of the map o.O) but nowadays since I started replaying crossfire, there is less ha,ck,ers than before when subagames owned this, I can say it was sorta "hard" to let go of my main character in wich was like staff sergeant level 4(3-5 months of gameplay) I was a good player back then but now it seems things are getting better but the increased bugs and glitches in crossfire have increased,
I do know how its annoying getting kicked for being accused of something you didn't commit, I got kicked once(when I was staff sergeant level 4), oh when I said once I mean nearly all the time(3/4 of gameplay time spent in almost every game mode, mostly team death match and ghost mode), I luckily had alot of 24-5 and close to 36-8, I know its pretty annoying doin your best in a game and then right after you get kicked for false accusations, and I know, I HAD IT ALOT LOL
But the bottom line is this, your idea is good, a way to getting closer to a perfect gamming community
I'm 14 and I thought of this ^^
Average member of the Crossfire Community
Yomonalol/NeutralOne/SciFiStory
Also I'd like to play some MM with you you guys some time, I just need the time, date, server and channel to do so, but just to make things a bit clearer why I "might" be late, is cause it takes quite a time for me to load, I get bugs while loading wich results into a game crash, left corner of the screen starts having a bug saying "joining server, please wait" and sometimes it disapears and I can play but most of the time it bugs in the middle of screen and stays when I join in-game and I can't move my character and will result into an option wich I have to restart the computer, re-login again, join a server, channel and find again the freaking room, and most of the time, after 3-5 games when I go in-game my screen bugs and goes black, no really it does
But I'd still play crossfire for its game modes and maps, the things they need to improve on mostly is bugs, hackers and the ability to keep your items(character accessories and spray items, really spraying random stuff on a wall wich says for example "Yomonalol was here XD" that'd be funny lol)
And yet again, I say this, your idea is good lol
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention( lol I wrote too much XD )
I know life is unfair(response to a guy who said "C'est la vie") but people like you and me could make life for the better,
And also forgot to mention on the last post, I'm eastern time, its 9:20 pm when I posted this. -
wtf are you stalking me?!?! I posted on an idea about filipino servers yeah its a freaking good idea yeah it may be 6 months but god da,mn it its a good idea and now I posted on another good idea for the kick abuses, and here you are again keeping track of my every posting, wtf??
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No the kick prevention would be our vote system -> abused
Egoism is why this would fail
"I cant kick, so he shall not kick too" and no one could kick again
I dont think so but test something.
A ReallifeFriend of mine was playing a match
I entered a room and kicked him... (of course i told him i will do that)
The kick applied!!!
So, there will be abusing
Btw im playing since Januar and im only Master Sergant... i only farmed 2 or 3 games for money, so 2nd LT would be a bit high i think
D:D: 
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