Non hackers getting kicked for hacking - A very possible & viable solution.
Im reposting my idea as its own thread here, mainly cuz its too easily lost in the many other posts in my other thread - http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=1943&page=20
My original idea consists of allowing very high ranked players ( Second Lieutenant for example ) and higher, the ability to be non kickable room hosts & perhaps also give them even more power such as being able to kick anyone in the room that they see fit to. And allow them a maximum of say 3-5 kicks per game, as really there shouldnt very often be a need for more kicks then that.
Now of course this will be a 2 way street, for all you nay-sayers out there, youre right, there will be punks & morons that would abuse this type of system, thats why we incorporate a ranking & voting system that all the other players in the room can use to vote on whether they feel the room host is kicking others fairly or not. There would be a system where others can vote whether it was a good kick or an unfair one.
This room host would accumulate these scores from other players ( negative & positive scores ) as part of their permanent record. This record being clearly viewable by all other players & being indicated next to their name while in the room before games starts & also during the game itself.
Any time during the game where a room host kicks another player out, a vote screen could pop up for all the other players giving them the option to vote in favor of the room hosts kick, or against. Meaning whether they thought the kick was fair & justified, or unfair & unjustified. These votes could either all be tallied up individually & made part of the room hosts permanent record or say if the majority of voters either agree or disagree, maybe 70% or higher sounds good, positively or negatively, one individual mark could be counted on their record reflecting this.
This score would accumulate ( positive & negative scores ) on the room hosts permanent record & would be presented in a way that all other players could see this score before joining the room hosts game. This way other players would have a good idea whether theyd be joining into a quality room or not. This scoring system would also help to keep the room hosts in check & give them incentive to be fair & not abuse this power for the following reason...
Not only will a high negative score keep most other players away from the room hosts room, but we also make it so that if any unkickable room hosts accumulates too many negative votes that their special status be suspended for a certain length of time, for example one week for the first time, one month for the second time and perhaps even permanently taken away if it happens too much & their negative score remains too outstanding too consistently & for too long.
This would be the perfect system to sort out the bad apples from the good ones. To separate those that would use the system wisely, & those that would abuse it. As many immature, irresponsible & moronic players as there are here in CF, there are also a number of good, honest, decent & fair minded players as well, Im one of them & there are plenty other people that play this game that would fill this role nicely, Im sure.
And as far as these players using any kind of hacks or glitches, this wouldnt present a problem either for several reasons...
Think about it, how many people want to take alllll the time it takes to level up their account to the rank of Second Lieutenant ( which takes a very long time ) or higher & risk having their account banned or suspended by using hacks or glitches? Not very many people would be that stupid & that careless to risk losing their account. Especially since these players would be under even more scrutiny because of their special status & privileges. And for the few here & there that might hack or glitch, guess what, they will be gone & weeded out of the system.
But again, I cant even see this happening hardly ever & I seriously doubt this would ever be that much of a problem to begin with. I cant ever recall seeing any account user with the rank of Second Lieutenant or higher using any kind of hacks or glitches. And Ive personaly seen a toooon of hackers & glitchers in my time here playing CF.
So there ya have it. An idea that I believe would exponentially help to sort out all the real hackers & glitchers & troublemakers & keep them in check. This would also give everyone the opportunity to eventually become these unkickable room hosts & give the legit honest players relief from all the unfair & BS kicks they have to endure. And again if they abuse it, then they get this privilege suspended & even permanently removed if they prove themselves unworthy of it.
So once a player has achieved a very high rank, everyone gets the benefit of the doubt, everyone gets a chance. And if they misuse it, which some will, then they lose it, so no problem there for everyone else either.
The only drawback I can see to this is perhaps, there may still be too many irresponsible people that would not vote fairly...but then again I do think the majority of voters would most often vote appropriately and in the end for those room hosts that use their abilitys appropriately & consistently, it will all average out ok. And the scoring system could even be made in such a way that it takes these bogus and unfair votes into consideration.
For example the system could take each persons vote in the specific game being played & compare it to the votes of everyone else. If one particular persons vote is contrary to the majority of the other players votes by too far a margin, say for example 14 other players voted positively & 3 others voted negatively, then there would be some kind of a negative mark against these 3 voters & if this happens too much & too often across numerous games where they are in the minority like this then some kind of penalty can be brought against them, such as suspension of voting privileges for a week or a month or permanent removal for excessive negative marks. This too would encourage & motivate the voters to vote responsibly & fairly & for those that dont do this, it will weed out the bad apples from the good ones.
I strongly suggest that Z8 should make a new server testing this process where any ranked players can choose to go to & if its a success, then eventually implement this into all of the servers.
Im open for any "constructive" remarks on this idea, good or bad. Anything you like about this? Any problems or flaws you see here? Just keep the suggestions & opinions civil & decent.
My original idea consists of allowing very high ranked players ( Second Lieutenant for example ) and higher, the ability to be non kickable room hosts & perhaps also give them even more power such as being able to kick anyone in the room that they see fit to. And allow them a maximum of say 3-5 kicks per game, as really there shouldnt very often be a need for more kicks then that.
Now of course this will be a 2 way street, for all you nay-sayers out there, youre right, there will be punks & morons that would abuse this type of system, thats why we incorporate a ranking & voting system that all the other players in the room can use to vote on whether they feel the room host is kicking others fairly or not. There would be a system where others can vote whether it was a good kick or an unfair one.
This room host would accumulate these scores from other players ( negative & positive scores ) as part of their permanent record. This record being clearly viewable by all other players & being indicated next to their name while in the room before games starts & also during the game itself.
Any time during the game where a room host kicks another player out, a vote screen could pop up for all the other players giving them the option to vote in favor of the room hosts kick, or against. Meaning whether they thought the kick was fair & justified, or unfair & unjustified. These votes could either all be tallied up individually & made part of the room hosts permanent record or say if the majority of voters either agree or disagree, maybe 70% or higher sounds good, positively or negatively, one individual mark could be counted on their record reflecting this.
This score would accumulate ( positive & negative scores ) on the room hosts permanent record & would be presented in a way that all other players could see this score before joining the room hosts game. This way other players would have a good idea whether theyd be joining into a quality room or not. This scoring system would also help to keep the room hosts in check & give them incentive to be fair & not abuse this power for the following reason...
Not only will a high negative score keep most other players away from the room hosts room, but we also make it so that if any unkickable room hosts accumulates too many negative votes that their special status be suspended for a certain length of time, for example one week for the first time, one month for the second time and perhaps even permanently taken away if it happens too much & their negative score remains too outstanding too consistently & for too long.
This would be the perfect system to sort out the bad apples from the good ones. To separate those that would use the system wisely, & those that would abuse it. As many immature, irresponsible & moronic players as there are here in CF, there are also a number of good, honest, decent & fair minded players as well, Im one of them & there are plenty other people that play this game that would fill this role nicely, Im sure.
And as far as these players using any kind of hacks or glitches, this wouldnt present a problem either for several reasons...
Think about it, how many people want to take alllll the time it takes to level up their account to the rank of Second Lieutenant ( which takes a very long time ) or higher & risk having their account banned or suspended by using hacks or glitches? Not very many people would be that stupid & that careless to risk losing their account. Especially since these players would be under even more scrutiny because of their special status & privileges. And for the few here & there that might hack or glitch, guess what, they will be gone & weeded out of the system.
But again, I cant even see this happening hardly ever & I seriously doubt this would ever be that much of a problem to begin with. I cant ever recall seeing any account user with the rank of Second Lieutenant or higher using any kind of hacks or glitches. And Ive personaly seen a toooon of hackers & glitchers in my time here playing CF.
So there ya have it. An idea that I believe would exponentially help to sort out all the real hackers & glitchers & troublemakers & keep them in check. This would also give everyone the opportunity to eventually become these unkickable room hosts & give the legit honest players relief from all the unfair & BS kicks they have to endure. And again if they abuse it, then they get this privilege suspended & even permanently removed if they prove themselves unworthy of it.
So once a player has achieved a very high rank, everyone gets the benefit of the doubt, everyone gets a chance. And if they misuse it, which some will, then they lose it, so no problem there for everyone else either.
The only drawback I can see to this is perhaps, there may still be too many irresponsible people that would not vote fairly...but then again I do think the majority of voters would most often vote appropriately and in the end for those room hosts that use their abilitys appropriately & consistently, it will all average out ok. And the scoring system could even be made in such a way that it takes these bogus and unfair votes into consideration.
For example the system could take each persons vote in the specific game being played & compare it to the votes of everyone else. If one particular persons vote is contrary to the majority of the other players votes by too far a margin, say for example 14 other players voted positively & 3 others voted negatively, then there would be some kind of a negative mark against these 3 voters & if this happens too much & too often across numerous games where they are in the minority like this then some kind of penalty can be brought against them, such as suspension of voting privileges for a week or a month or permanent removal for excessive negative marks. This too would encourage & motivate the voters to vote responsibly & fairly & for those that dont do this, it will weed out the bad apples from the good ones.
I strongly suggest that Z8 should make a new server testing this process where any ranked players can choose to go to & if its a success, then eventually implement this into all of the servers.
Im open for any "constructive" remarks on this idea, good or bad. Anything you like about this? Any problems or flaws you see here? Just keep the suggestions & opinions civil & decent.
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SHALL.NOT.HAPPEN.WILL.BE.ABUSE.
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Did you even bother to read the entire post? In it I clearly lay out a way to prevent the abuse from happening & keep everyone in check & accountable for their actions.
If you see a flaw in that suggestion then how about backing up your statement by offering your reasons for thinking it would be abused.Called V.I.P in CNCF where you gotta buy an item that allows you to kick anyone in a room ONLY.
And in my post I state they can make this available to anyone who reaches a high enough rank. There should be absolutely no charges for this simply due to the fact of how large a problem it is for a large number of CF players getting unfairly kicked all the time on a daily basis. Also this would greatly help to combat all the hackers & glitchers running rampant right now. One of these punks comes into one of these room hosts room - and BAM, theyre kicked & they dont get to ruin the game for everyone else like what usually happens now.
Were killing two large birds with one stone here. Two huge issues that are perhaps the two most prevalent & troublesome issues the CF community as a whole as to deal with currently. -
Who will want to read this post? Educated players with an above 5th grade reading level who are also affected by getting kicked all the time unfairly & also those that are sick of hackers & glitchers ruining their game. Anybody with an ounce of common sense & maturity who wish to see these issues dealt with. Thats who.
You obviously do not fall into any of these categories. And as this is a suggestion board were people come to post their ideas, thoughts & opinions, hopefully good intelligent ones such as mine is, & you have nothing of those previously mentioned qualities to offer you need to just stop with your pointless negativity and go troll somewhere else.
Antagonistic trolls like you are not welcome here, I said I welcome any constructive thoughts & opinions, not childish immature & meaningless posts as you have just made.
Also you have just been reported for harrassment & foul language. Have a good day. -
Its called farming. Hence why most 2nd - 1st LTs are such.TimStryker wrote: »???
Did you even bother to read the entire post? In it I clearly lay out a way to prevent the abuse from happening & keep everyone in check & accountable for their actions.
If you see a flaw in that suggestion then how about backing up your statement by offering your reasons for thinking it would be abused.
And in my post I state they can make this available to anyone who reaches a high enough rank. There should be absolutely no charges for this simply due to the fact of how large a problem it is for a large number of CF players getting unfairly kicked all the time on a daily basis. Also this would greatly help to combat all the hackers & glitchers running rampant right now. One of these punks comes into one of these room hosts room - and BAM, theyre kicked & they dont get to ruin the game for everyone else like what usually happens now.
Were killing two large birds with one stone here. Two huge issues that are perhaps the two most prevalent & troublesome issues the CF community as a whole as to deal with currently. -
Good suggestion, however if their noob high rankers (as has been suggested as a possibility) and they were kiking unfairly it would be reflected in their 'kik record', so people wouldn't play with them.
One thing I sould say is I think 2nd LT is too high of a rank, there are few very few 2nd LT's in the games I play, maybe 1st LT as I see quite a few of these, that way there will be these modded rooms to join. -
WhiteTigerXL wrote: »Its called farming. Hence why most 2nd - 1st LTs are such.
Im aware that some people do farm to get their high rank & while Ive never farmed Im familiar with the process involved. Two players, or one person with 2 accounts & 2 pc's goes into a game with only those 2 players & just sits there & kills off the other player repeatedly.
Even though Ive never done this I would have to believe that that would still take a long time to do, countless hours & hours. Who even then wants to waste all that time & throw it away by getting busted hacking or glitching?
My point still stands I believe. As Ive said Ive played countless hours of CF myself & I dont ever recall seeing anyone at the rank of Second Lieutenant or higher glitching or hacking. And again, even these farmers taken into consideration, I dont think there is very many instances of these high ranked players hacking or glitching to begin with. And if they do, again they will be reported even more so than regular players would be & problem solved. -
Well sigish, since your so ignorant, let me enlighten you.
Giving your opinion is one thing, but doing so in such a negative & hostile way while using swear words directed at someone, even if their abbreviated is immature & wrong & against Z8 rules. That why you automatically fail.
I was just giving my opinion as well, offering up what I believe is a very good post and then someone like you comes along & thinks they need to be abusive little trolls & spew out a bunch of garbage & attack rather than offer any real intelligent counterpoints or opinions.
And taking the time to post on a discussion board only to say that its too long? Really are you that bored that you have to post that? If you dont care about the topic then move on to find something you do care about. I dont care what you think personaly cuz youve demonstrated that you dont think. You just attack others that never did anything to you.
And im not telling everyone off, just the few morons like you that come along every once in a while & think you can troll & attack & harass other people.
Youve now been reported again. Either offer up some "CONSTRUCTIVE" & "CIVIL" opinions & ideas to the topic of this thread, whether its in favor of or against or get out and stay out. Come back & repost some more crap, youre just racking up the consequences for yourself here. -
SHALL.NOT.HAPPEN.WILL.BE.ABUSE.
Called V.I.P in CNCF where you gotta buy an item that allows you to kick anyone in a room ONLY.Their are lots of frekaing nooby 2nd lieus out there k? Will be abused by these noobs. Also who the fk is gonna read your god dam post.Iuno whos the troll. The guy giving his opinion (me) or the guy telling everyone off either that we're undereducated kids and that we should be idiots posting if we don't want to read your long ass post.
I dont see anything that counts towards a swear word. You troll is officially invalid. -
TimStryker wrote: »Im aware that some people do farm to get their high rank & while Ive never farmed Im familiar with the process involved. Two players, or one person with 2 accounts & 2 pc's goes into a game with only those 2 players & just sits there & kills off the other player repeatedly.
Even though Ive never done this I would have to believe that that would still take a long time to do, countless hours & hours. Who even then wants to waste all that time & throw it away by getting busted hacking or glitching?
My point still stands I believe. As Ive said Ive played countless hours of CF myself & I dont ever recall seeing anyone at the rank of Second Lieutenant or higher glitching or hacking. And again, even these farmers taken into consideration, I dont think there is very many instances of these high ranked players hacking or glitching to begin with. And if they do, again they will be reported even more so than regular players would be & problem solved.
You underestimate the sadness of people who visit 4chan or who just hang around solely to troll. I had one game where I had to sit there while one noob constantly insulted EVERYONE! He was a 1st LT who didn't even know how to crouch jump to get to the bomb in lost relics.
As I said, immunity is setting up for abuse. I Feel 2 things should be done (As I stated earlier)
FIRST!!!
When someone doesn't vote, do NOT automatically make it a nay vote. If you don't vote, too bad, your vote is not counted. I don't see the republicans winning because 2/3 of the US didn't vote for democrats or republican XD It makes no sense.
TWO!!!
Make it so every (Let's say 5th for this example) 5th rank or so, it takes 1 more vote to kick you. So once you get 1st LT, it literally takes everyone who votes voting yay to kick you. ALSO, take away the one nay vote when voting starts. The Votee shouldn't get to vote for himself since it is HIS arse on the chopping block. (Unless you start showing WHEN a kick is initiated, AND WHO initiated it.) -
I dont see anything that counts towards a swear word. You troll is officially invalid.
Well, thank God youre not in any official capacity to make any official statements like that. But I know who is & youve been reported to them. In the future try thinking before you post.
moving on to the real purpose of this thread...***Jamil*** wrote: »agreed. someway someone out there will abuse. mostly the damn noobs and farmers.
Thats why I said there would be a system in place to hold these noobs & punks accountable & responsible if they misuse the system.TimStryker wrote: »Any time during the game where a room host kicks another player out, a vote screen could pop up for all the other players giving them the option to vote in favor of the room hosts kick, or against. Meaning whether they thought the kick was fair & justified, or unfair & unjustified. These votes could either all be tallied up individually & made part of the room hosts permanent record or say if the majority of voters either agree or disagree, maybe 70% or higher sounds good, positively or negatively, one individual mark could be counted on their record reflecting this.
This score would accumulate ( positive & negative scores ) on the room hosts permanent record & would be presented in a way that all other players could see this score before joining the room hosts game. This way other players would have a good idea whether theyd be joining into a quality room or not. This scoring system would also help to keep the room hosts in check & give them incentive to be fair & not abuse this power for the following reason...
Not only will a high negative score keep most other players away from the room hosts room, but we also make it so that if any unkickable room hosts accumulates too many negative votes that their special status be suspended for a certain length of time, for example one week for the first time, one month for the second time and perhaps even permanently taken away if it happens too much & their negative score remains too outstanding too consistently & for too long.
Now if anyone sees any real flaw to this, by all means please offer up your thoughts & state specifically what you think someone could or would do to override this system & abuse it? I really cant foresee any possible problems. If you read & understand my point well enough, I think its hard to see where someone could possibly get past the security checkpoints so to speak that would be in place.
The way I see my idea, is that whichever way you turn, there are measures in place to keep everyone, the room hosts & the voters in place and accountable, thus preventing any real abuse from taking place, and again if it does then the room hosts privileges or the voters privileges are suspended or taken away...possible abuse problem solved.
If there is something though, please make your thoughts known as this is after all a discussion board & my suggestion here can be thought of as a rough draft, subject to change & revision for the better if anyone has any better or helpful ideas.UKDissident wrote: »Good suggestion, however if their noob high rankers (as has been suggested as a possibility) and they were kiking unfairly it would be reflected in their 'kik record', so people wouldn't play with them.
Im glad to see someone is paying attention, also like I said in my first post, besides no one wanting to play with them, if they have too much of a negative score for too long, the system could automatically suspend or remove their privileges.UKDissident wrote: »One thing I sould say is I think 2nd LT is too high of a rank, there are few very few 2nd LT's in the games I play, maybe 1st LT as I see quite a few of these, that way there will be these modded rooms to join.
I think youre thinking that 1st LT comes before 2nd LT. According to the ranking system you achieve 2nd LT & then 1st LT. Its ok, I made the same mistake once before I read through the ranking system lol. ( :WhiteTigerXL wrote: »You underestimate the sadness of people who visit 4chan or who just hang around solely to troll. I had one game where I had to sit there while one noob constantly insulted EVERYONE! He was a 1st LT who didn't even know how to crouch jump to get to the bomb in lost relics.
I dont believe I do underestimate the sadness & pathetic behavior of some of the CF players. I have played hundreds of hours of CF by now & trust me, I know from first hand experience how there are a lot of immature players. But I also know from first hand experience there are a good number of decent, honest & legit players as well.
And again, from first hand experience, out of these hundreds of hours of my personal gameplay, I have never seen anyone second lieutenant or higher glitching or hacking. It just doesnt happen. And if & when it does, its very rare & therefore is of no consequence to my suggestion. Using foul & abusive language is another thing. Sure there will always be some punks that attack others & use abusive language & behavior towards others who dont deserve it but thats just one of the many wonderful things about my suggestion.
For anyone that does this in an unkickable room hosts room, the room host can simply remove them from the game - problem solved. And if it is the room host that is demonstrating this behavior then, the other players can simply report this room host. And being as the room host would be under more scrutiny with their special privileges, its more likely more people will take the time to report them.
Also in addition there can be a final vote screen that pops up at the end of the last match where the players can vote on the overall experience they had with the room host, whether they are recommended or should be avoided. -
Their are lots of frekaing nooby 2nd lieus out there k? Will be abused by these noobs. Also who the fk is gonna read your god dam post.
ya it is way to long. the answer is no its not gonna work cause then we would get kicked twice as much by a nob host, unalbe to kick higher ranks that start to hack when they get clear of the system.
I think we should force any1 that has a negative k/d into a spare server 4 noobs. then make another server for ppl with higher ranks. that would seperate MOST of the noobs and pros. -
TimStryker wrote: »Well, thank God youre not in any official capacity to make any official statements like that. But I know who is & youve been reported to them. In the future try thinking before you post.
moving on to the real purpose of this thread...
Thats why I said there would be a system in place to hold these noobs & punks accountable & responsible if they misuse the system.
Now if anyone sees any real flaw to this, by all means please offer up your thoughts & state specifically what you think someone could or would do to override this system & abuse it? I really cant foresee any possible problems. If you read & understand my point well enough, I think its hard to see where someone could possibly get past the security checkpoints so to speak that would be in place.
The way I see my idea, is that whichever way you turn, there are measures in place to keep everyone, the room hosts & the voters in place and accountable, thus preventing any real abuse from taking place, and again if it does then the room hosts privileges or the voters privileges are suspended or taken away...possible abuse problem solved.
If there is something though, please make your thoughts known as this is after all a discussion board & my suggestion here can be thought of as a rough draft, subject to change & revision for the better if anyone has any better or helpful ideas.
Im glad to see someone is paying attention, also like I said in my first post, besides no one wanting to play with them, if they have too much of a negative score for too long, the system could automatically suspend or remove their privileges.
I think youre thinking that 1st LT comes before 2nd LT. According to the ranking system you achieve 2nd LT & then 1st LT. Its ok, I made the same mistake once before I read through the ranking system lol. ( :
I dont believe I do underestimate the sadness & pathetic behavior of some of the CF players. I have played hundreds of hours of CF by now & trust me, I know from first hand experience how there are a lot of immature players. But I also know from first hand experience there are a good number of decent, honest & legit players as well.
And again, from first hand experience, out of these hundreds of hours of my personal gameplay, I have never seen anyone second lieutenant or higher glitching or hacking. It just doesnt happen. And if & when it does, its very rare & therefore is of no consequence to my suggestion. Using foul & abusive language is another thing. Sure there will always be some punks that attack others & use abusive language & behavior towards others who dont deserve it but thats just one of the many wonderful things about my suggestion.
For anyone that does this in an unkickable room hosts room, the room host can simply remove them from the game - problem solved. And if it is the room host that is demonstrating this behavior then, the other players can simply report this room host. And being as the room host would be under more scrutiny with their special privileges, its more likely more people will take the time to report them.
Also in addition there can be a final vote screen that pops up at the end of the last match where the players can vote on the overall experience they had with the room host, whether they are recommended or should be avoided.TimStryker wrote: »Im reposting my idea as its own thread here, mainly cuz its too easily lost in the many other posts in my other thread - http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=1943&page=20
My original idea consists of allowing very high ranked players ( Second Lieutenant for example ) and higher, the ability to be non kickable room hosts & perhaps also give them even more power such as being able to kick anyone in the room that they see fit to. And allow them a maximum of say 3-5 kicks per game, as really there shouldnt very often be a need for more kicks then that.
Now of course this will be a 2 way street, for all you nay-sayers out there, youre right, there will be punks & morons that would abuse this type of system, thats why we incorporate a ranking & voting system that all the other players in the room can use to vote on whether they feel the room host is kicking others fairly or not. There would be a system where others can vote whether it was a good kick or an unfair one.
This room host would accumulate these scores from other players ( negative & positive scores ) as part of their permanent record. This record being clearly viewable by all other players & being indicated next to their name while in the room before games starts & also during the game itself.
Any time during the game where a room host kicks another player out, a vote screen could pop up for all the other players giving them the option to vote in favor of the room hosts kick, or against. Meaning whether they thought the kick was fair & justified, or unfair & unjustified. These votes could either all be tallied up individually & made part of the room hosts permanent record or say if the majority of voters either agree or disagree, maybe 70% or higher sounds good, positively or negatively, one individual mark could be counted on their record reflecting this.
This score would accumulate ( positive & negative scores ) on the room hosts permanent record & would be presented in a way that all other players could see this score before joining the room hosts game. This way other players would have a good idea whether theyd be joining into a quality room or not. This scoring system would also help to keep the room hosts in check & give them incentive to be fair & not abuse this power for the following reason...
Not only will a high negative score keep most other players away from the room hosts room, but we also make it so that if any unkickable room hosts accumulates too many negative votes that their special status be suspended for a certain length of time, for example one week for the first time, one month for the second time and perhaps even permanently taken away if it happens too much & their negative score remains too outstanding too consistently & for too long.
This would be the perfect system to sort out the bad apples from the good ones. To separate those that would use the system wisely, & those that would abuse it. As many immature, irresponsible & moronic players as there are here in CF, there are also a number of good, honest, decent & fair minded players as well, Im one of them & there are plenty other people that play this game that would fill this role nicely, Im sure.
And as far as these players using any kind of hacks or glitches, this wouldnt present a problem either for several reasons...
Think about it, how many people want to take alllll the time it takes to level up their account to the rank of Second Lieutenant ( which takes a very long time ) or higher & risk having their account banned or suspended by using hacks or glitches? Not very many people would be that stupid & that careless to risk losing their account. Especially since these players would be under even more scrutiny because of their special status & privileges. And for the few here & there that might hack or glitch, guess what, they will be gone & weeded out of the system.
But again, I cant even see this happening hardly ever & I seriously doubt this would ever be that much of a problem to begin with. I cant ever recall seeing any account user with the rank of Second Lieutenant or higher using any kind of hacks or glitches. And Ive personaly seen a toooon of hackers & glitchers in my time here playing CF.
So there ya have it. An idea that I believe would exponentially help to sort out all the real hackers & glitchers & troublemakers & keep them in check. This would also give everyone the opportunity to eventually become these unkickable room hosts & give the legit honest players relief from all the unfair & BS kicks they have to endure. And again if they abuse it, then they get this privilege suspended & even permanently removed if they prove themselves unworthy of it.
So once a player has achieved a very high rank, everyone gets the benefit of the doubt, everyone gets a chance. And if they misuse it, which some will, then they lose it, so no problem there for everyone else either.
The only drawback I can see to this is perhaps, there may still be too many irresponsible people that would not vote fairly...but then again I do think the majority of voters would most often vote appropriately and in the end for those room hosts that use their abilitys appropriately & consistently, it will all average out ok. And the scoring system could even be made in such a way that it takes these bogus and unfair votes into consideration.
For example the system could take each persons vote in the specific game being played & compare it to the votes of everyone else. If one particular persons vote is contrary to the majority of the other players votes by too far a margin, say for example 14 other players voted positively & 3 others voted negatively, then there would be some kind of a negative mark against these 3 voters & if this happens too much & too often across numerous games where they are in the minority like this then some kind of penalty can be brought against them, such as suspension of voting privileges for a week or a month or permanent removal for excessive negative marks. This too would encourage & motivate the voters to vote responsibly & fairly & for those that dont do this, it will weed out the bad apples from the good ones.
I strongly suggest that Z8 should make a new server testing this process where any ranked players can choose to go to & if its a success, then eventually implement this into all of the servers.
Im open for any "constructive" remarks on this idea, good or bad. Anything you like about this? Any problems or flaws you see here? Just keep the suggestions & opinions civil & decent.
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Nope, for the problem & issues at hand I dont write too much, perhaps only for those with a low attention span or those who just arent that interested in the issues. The fact is this is a very complicated problem here, therefor requiring a very complete & thorough detailed analysis & strategy to be laid out in writing, which is what Ive done here. You think you can come up with a better idea that will truly resolve these problems like I believe my idea will & keep it super short & simple, then please go ahead.
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ReyDunkinC wrote: »oh please..who cares if you get kicked..that's why nothing is added to your status. Be a little more mature and suck it up, yes this might help..but just cuz they have a good status doesnt mean he/she cant find hacks the next day and use it.
Who cares? Really? Unless you havent been paying attention, youd notice tons of people care...you see posts & threads on the matter by the truck load every day from lots of different users, who just want to play the game they like & not get unfairly kicked all the time...THATS WHO. If you dont care, which by your post, it would seem that you do not, then good for you, but many of us do care.
Doesnt matter if its not counted against them, the fact that say you play for 4 hours and nearly half that time youre getting unfairly kicked when your just too good for others to believe or just cuz they want to be punks, youre losing out on all that added EXP, GP, & rank increase. Now multiply that by just about every time you play & were talking a HUGE problem here. Most the time I play in modes were vote kick is in place I get kicked about half the time on average, this may be a little less or more for others. And if youre reading this & are one of those that say just play for fun...thats great, thats your opinion & youre welcome to it. A lot of us also like to play for fun but we also like to build up our stats, our rank & our GP. And when youre constantly getting robbed of that all the time, its wrong & needs to be corrected.
So, as it has been clearly demonstrated by the shear number of posts from others on this matter, lots of us care & its a huge problem that needs corrected.
And yeah anyone can use hacks & glitches if they really wanted to but as its been pointed out numerous times.....most high ranked players like Second Lieutenant or higher simply will not be stupid & careless enough to use hacks or glitches on that account period - ever.
And when I say most I think most of the experienced CF players can agree at least 80% or more of these people wouldnt ever risk their account by glitching or hacking & I like those odds.
Cuz all it takes is one time for them to be reported & youd better believe the players with this special status will as a matter of fact be under more scrutiny and will be more under the microscope by the other players. So there is no problem here with these people possibly hacking & glitching. I just cant see it happening very often to be a problem at all. And if they do, theyre reported and gone, end of story. -
Also, take into consideration that youre playing the game, youre doing awesome, showing some mad skills, youre MVP or ACE, your score is double or triple that of most or all the other players in game with you. Youre in the zone, doing your thing, having fun doing it, youre about to finish the game in first place, after youve done your very best & did very well the whole game and then - BAM! youre vote kicked off for no good reason.
Either there are inexperienced & ignorant players that just couldnt believe or comprehend that youre just a very good player or some just want to be punks & vote kick just to kick you cuz its fun to them to be antagonistic little cretins or the next person below you wants to steal your spot.
And all because of these reasons are you also robbed of your excitement & enjoyment of being first & owning the other players & the satisfaction that comes with doing good all game, completing that game & seeing it through to the end, in first place, having done very well the whole game. Thats also part of the fun factor that a lot of us are robbed of over & over again, repeatedly & without just cause. So in addition to the lost EXP, GP & rank increase, that also is a significant con to being unfairly kicked so often as well.
Most of the mature players here can say that when they do something theyre passionate about or care about that they want to do it well or even as well as they possibly can & when theyve invested their time & energy into it, they want to see the end results, they want to see their time & effort pay off & see the end result of it all. When someone does all this playing CF & is unfairly & unjustly kicked, they are robbed of this as well. -
TimStryker wrote: »My original idea consists of allowing very high ranked players ( Second Lieutenant for example ) and higher, the ability to be non kickable room hosts & perhaps also give them even more power such as being able to kick anyone in the room that they see fit to. And allow them a maximum of say 3-5 kicks per game, as really there shouldnt very often be a need for more kicks then that.
I'll never get to second lieutenant because I get kicked from every game. Also I don't like to room host that much, just pop in and play. If ONLY they can initiate a kick against people with or without being a room host I'd be much more for it. Just to make it useable by less people. As it stands though just as many high ranked people can't play (aren't good players) or farmed their way up (See: Cheaters themselves so they're not good judges) to a high rank for whatever boring reason.TimStryker wrote: »Now of course this will be a 2 way street, for all you nay-sayers out there, youre right, there will be punks & morons that would abuse this type of system, thats why we incorporate a ranking & voting system that all the other players in the room can use to vote on whether they feel the room host is kicking others fairly or not. There would be a system where others can vote whether it was a good kick or an unfair one.
This room host would accumulate these scores from other players ( negative & positive scores ) as part of their permanent record. This record being clearly viewable by all other players & being indicated next to their name while in the room before games starts & also during the game itself.......(Cont. explanation I edited out)
I read this before and I like the idea of some restrictions but also feel even with a vote it's not going to matter for players like myself. Whether they have a great rating or not, it's going to depend a lot more on their predisposition. I know not everyone that kicks me is a ******, they're just wrong and mistaken but really believe they're correct and doing the right thing. I honestly believe with this system it will be worse for me. Maybe not for the majority of people though.TimStryker wrote: »And as far as these players using any kind of hacks or glitches, this wouldnt present a problem either for several reasons...
Think about it, how many people want to take alllll the time it takes to level up their account to the rank of Second Lieutenant ( which takes a very long time ) or higher & risk having their account banned or suspended by using hacks or glitches? Not very many people would be that stupid & that careless to risk losing their account. Especially since these players would be under even more scrutiny because of their special status & privileges. And for the few here & there that might hack or glitch, guess what, they will be gone & weeded out of the system.
I do agree with this. It's the same principal I have of "Charge everyone just $1 to play CF." If they even have 1 measly dollar invested in the game (Give them some initial ZP for it even.) Or give the option of a one time decent sum. (5000-10000zp let's say) for $1 so most people will take it. That alone is enough incentive to keep a lot of people honest, so they don't lose their $1. Or $5. Or anything, you get the idea. Also consider the benefit of everyone contributing $1 to the system and for the game they enjoy playing, it could go a long way to fixing up the game, more workers, more fixes, more stuff.TimStryker wrote: »The only drawback I can see to this is perhaps, there may still be too many irresponsible people that would not vote fairly...but then again I do think the majority of voters would most often vote appropriately and in the end for those room hosts that use their abilitys appropriately & consistently, it will all average out ok. And the scoring system could even be made in such a way that it takes these bogus and unfair votes into consideration.
They don't now, why would they in your system?TimStryker wrote: »I strongly suggest that Z8 should make a new server testing this process where any ranked players can choose to go to & if its a success, then eventually implement this into all of the servers.
I agree they should utilize their servers more, they seem to just drop them there and never think about them again. They could do a lot of cool things with different servers. More servers, less channels I say. -
I would like to add something to your idea, Tim.
A hidden request list to prevent people from spamming the chat with kick requests. Its a checklist that would replace the current kick-vote list and it would only show a message on the screen of the host of who's requesting who to be kicked and why. It would also make the job of the host easier, because if he suddenly gets 8 requests from one side of the field to kick someone for hacking, its usually more likely that the guy is hacking, than when 1 guy puts up another for hacking and the room just blindly presses F11.
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LolliRoger wrote: »I would like to add something to your idea, Tim.
A hidden request list to prevent people from spamming the chat with kick requests. Its a checklist that would replace the current kick-vote list and it would only show a message on the screen of the host of who's requesting who to be kicked and why. It would also make the job of the host easier, because if he suddenly gets 8 requests from one side of the field to kick someone for hacking, its usually more likely that the guy is hacking, than when 1 guy puts up another for hacking and the room just blindly presses F11.
Thats an awesome idea. ( :
Youre right, that would greatly help the room host to be a more affective moderator so to speak & would take a lot of the pressure off of them giving them more time to just play & enjoy the game. And just all around, better streamline the whole process.
And yeah if theres a lot of people calling one particular person to your attention, then most likely it is legit & even then, and/or if only 1-2-3 people are saying something, you can then focus your attention on said player & make the decision.
I like this idea a lot, thanks for the added suggestion. ( :
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PurityNDeath wrote: »I'll never get to second lieutenant because I get kicked from every game.
Hang in there Purity, I see you have a little ways to go yet, but youre on your way there, even if you have to trudge through the some of the BS that comes along too often to get there, you will. It wasnt too long ago that I was that rank myself. I recently got to Second Lieutenant rank a couple weeks ago. Along the way I had to go through the same crap & BS as you to get there too & yeah it does suck a lot of the time when it happens so much of the time but youll get there.
Lately Ive been stuck on MM ever since it came out pretty much. You ever think about trying Mutant Mode? I am always room host for a couple reasons. I know I can never get kicked for any more BS reasons. And I have some control over getting rid of the undesirables after game.
And this mode can be a lot of fun as long as you got a good room going & I try my best to keep all my games clean. Whenever possible I kick all the spammers, punks, harassers, hackers, glitchers & blockers after game. Cant always catch em all the 1st time but I do good enough & I often times will actually save & report, especially the ones that are extra aggravating. Maybe give being a room host in MM a try, if for no other reason then to not have to worry bout being kicked.PurityNDeath wrote: »If ONLY they can initiate a kick against people with or without being a room host I'd be much more for it. Just to make it useable by less people.
Not sure if I understand what you mean. Are you saying that only these high ranked players should be the only ones to be able to bring up a vote kick on someone? If so I would respond by saying, yeah I think that would help thin things out a little but what about the rest of the same noobs that abuse the system on a regular basis to begin with once a vote kick comes up & they hit f11 or f12 for wrong & malicious reasons.
Say for instance you got a game going & one of the high ranked players with a vote kick ability brings up someone to vote out that they know is hacking. Theyre trying to do the right thing but how many times have you seen where too many people vote inappropriately, either cuz theyre too inexperienced or just to be punks or cuz they want their side to win and they just dont care. I know from experience this is especially true in Ghost Mode.
I think it may work differently when it comes to the high ranked players just simply kicking out the trash & letting the players then cast their vote on the room host if it was right or not. These voters are not directly responsible for the kick happening, just voting whether it was right or wrong. You take some of the power & responsibility away from these other players in regards to being apart of kicking the real troublemakers out or not & just have them vote if it was right or not & theyll be more inclined to just give an honest vote I believe.
Especially if they have to worry bout what the other players are going to vote & if theyre in the minority by too far a margin then they get a negative mark. Too many negative marks & they cant vote anymore. And yeah, again because there will still always be some people misusing the vote on the room host until theyre voting ability is suspended, perhaps make it so that like 70-80% of the voters have to be in agreement with each other for that vote to actually count & then be added to the room hosts record, whether its good or bad. Or maybe even like 60-70%
To me, I see a perfect circle here where everyone is ultimately accountable to themselves & to everyone else & no matter which way you go, no matter which direction you turn, theres a checkpoint & counter-measure in place to help keep players honest & everything in this system fair & balanced.PurityNDeath wrote: »As it stands though just as many high ranked people can't play (aren't good players) or farmed their way up (See: Cheaters themselves so they're not good judges) to a high rank for whatever boring reason..
Youre right, theres still a lot of noobs & immature punks out there no matter what rank they are but theres also a good amount of us decent, legit & fair minded players arent there? This system is for them & us that would use it fairly & wisely so we can finally put an end to these problems that plague so many CF players.
For those that would misuse this ability, they will be dealt with accordingly, per the votes they acquire from the other players. After theyve misused their status long enough, the system would then automatically suspend said players special status for a week or month at first if they are showing too far in the negative feedback & eventually taken away permanently if necessary so problem solved, theyre no longer a part of the special non kickable room host community & we no longer have to worry about them in that manner.
The same concept holds true for the voters themselves, cast too many bogus votes that go against too many of the other voters & your voting right is taken away. These two parallels will ultimately prevent any real permanent abuse from taking place, I believe. Maybe just for a little while at first while said player is racking up the negative marks, but theyll soon eventually be gone out of the system if they keep up their inappropriate misuses & behaviors.PurityNDeath wrote: »I read this before and I like the idea of some restrictions but also feel even with a vote it's not going to matter for players like myself. Whether they have a great rating or not, it's going to depend a lot more on their predisposition. I know not everyone that kicks me is a ******, they're just wrong and mistaken but really believe they're correct and doing the right thing. I honestly believe with this system it will be worse for me. Maybe not for the majority of people though.
Well, I dont know how your demeanor is in game, but as long as you play fair & dont cause problems, most of these unkickable room hosts should treat you fairly, either because thats just in their nature & of their own free will or cuz they dont want to get a negative vote cast against them & if theyre not fair, again in accordance with the room host vote option everyone else can use, they will be eventually weeded out of the system from receiving too many negative marks.
And in the meantime you can always hop around trying other room hosts till you find one you like. There are enough decent & mature & fair minded players in CF, you just have to find them.
Im a very peaceful person in my nature but im also very much about do unto others as they do unto you. So if youre talking about some punk that starts harassing you or starting crap with you for no good reason & you want to tell them off & put them in their place, Im personally fine with that. Someone attacks you that you never did anything wrong to, then fight back if you have to. And besides under this new system, Im going to usually give the person one firm warning & if they continue, kick their sorry butts out of my room. So they cant even be a problem.
Someone starts crap with me for no good reason, I know I usually find some way of putting them in their place, whether its verbally, kicking them after the game or just taking screenshots of them & reporting. ( :PurityNDeath wrote: »I do agree with this. It's the same principal I have of "Charge everyone just $1 to play CF." If they even have 1 measly dollar invested in the game (Give them some initial ZP for it even.) Or give the option of a one time decent sum. (5000-10000zp let's say) for $1 so most people will take it. That alone is enough incentive to keep a lot of people honest, so they don't lose their $1. Or $5. Or anything, you get the idea. Also consider the benefit of everyone contributing $1 to the system and for the game they enjoy playing, it could go a long way to fixing up the game, more workers, more fixes, more stuff.
Well the game would no longer technically be free then & perhaps would weed out some of the younger players, not all but most of which are part of the problems involving abuse of the current kick system, false hackusations & all around petty immature behavior & name calling etc.
I dont know how things are today with kids but I would still think most wouldnt have free access to a credit or debit card or via some other pay service. Some might get their parents to buy it for them but still I think this idea alone with dramatically help to reduce the number of immature punk kids that infest CF. Not saying all kids that play CF are punks either. I know some 10 year olds that are more mature then some 20 year olds.
And I think that they should still let anyone join up for free, just to try it out. Let them join only the noob server & play there till they get a certain rank, and then to be able to increase their rank and play on the other "paid" severs along with everyone else, then yeah they have to pay something. But only a one time fee. And personaly I like $5.00 better. Not tooooo expensive & I think most people that have invested so much of their time & played CF long enough & come to really like it like most of us do, theyd pay the one time fee of $5.00 to move on to the rest of the game. I do think having to pay $5.00 would help to keep a lot more people honest, yes. ( :
Plus getting a nice sum of ZP at first would be a very nice added incentive. They could even make it a one time extra large sum to entice people. A very reasonable idea Id say. -
TimStryker wrote: »I think youre thinking that 1st LT comes before 2nd LT. According to the ranking system you achieve 2nd LT & then 1st LT. Its ok, I made the same mistake once before I read through the ranking system lol. ( :
LOL uber noob moment for me, I never paid attention to which rank comes next (infact didn't even check the rank I'm at 2nd LT haha.
Good ideas so far.
You know if they took all the best ideas about kik vote, spent some time thinking about them and then implementing them, then this problem would be 99% solved. -
UKDissident wrote: »Good ideas so far.
You know if they took all the best ideas about kik vote, spent some time thinking about them and then implementing them, then this problem would be 99% solved.
Of course it would. How hard do you think it is to make it so you can walk through members of your own team also? Or to patch a couple of places where people glitch through boxes and walls?
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UKDissident wrote: »LOL uber noob moment for me, I never paid attention to which rank comes next (infact didn't even check the rank I'm at 2nd LT haha.
Nah lol, its all good, it happens to the best of us. I think most people would assume 1st LT comes 1st lol. I mean cmon - 1 & then 2. Its mathematically & numerically logical to think that way. ( :PurityNDeath wrote: »Of course it would. How hard do you think it is to make it so you can walk through members of your own team also? Or to patch a couple of places where people glitch through boxes and walls?
It amazes me, why won't they fix this stuff?
It amazes me too. So much so that I have to at least consider what could possibly be the reason, like theyre just too understaffed, they dont have their acts together well enough...they simply dont care unless theres $$$ signs in front of their eyes...who knows.
For the computer programmers that put this game together & run it & patch it, yeah this kind of stuff should be quite simple. Were not talking about a complete overhaul or change of the game engine and programming code here.
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I want you to go through all 4 of my post and find anything that counts towards being a swear word. I want you to highlight them and show me that your report meant something.Their are lots of frekaing nooby 2nd lieus out there k? Will be abused by these noobs. Also who the fk is gonna read your god dam post.
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TimStryker wrote: »Lately Ive been stuck on MM ever since it came out pretty much. You ever think about trying Mutant Mode?
Not sure if I understand what you mean. Are you saying that only these high ranked players should be the only ones to be able to bring up a vote kick on someone?
These voters are not directly responsible for the kick happening, just voting whether it was right or wrong. You take some of the power & responsibility away from these other players in regards to being apart of kicking the real troublemakers out or not & just have them vote if it was right or not & theyll be more inclined to just give an honest vote I believe.
Too many negative marks & they cant vote anymore. And yeah, again because there will still always be some people misusing the vote on the room host until theyre voting ability is suspended, perhaps make it so that like 70-80% of the voters have to be in agreement with each other for that vote to actually count & then be added to the room hosts record.
To me, I see a perfect circle here where everyone is ultimately accountable to themselves & to everyone else & no matter which way you go, no matter which direction you turn, theres a checkpoint & counter-measure in place to help keep players honest & everything in this system fair & balanced.
For those that would misuse this ability, they will be dealt with accordingly, per the votes they acquire from the other players. After theyve misused their status long enough, the system would then automatically suspend said players special status for a week or month at first if they are showing too far in the negative feedback & eventually taken away permanently if necessary so problem solved, theyre no longer a part of the special non kickable room host community & we no longer have to worry about them in that manner.
The same concept holds true for the voters themselves, cast too many bogus votes that go against too many of the other voters & your voting right is taken away. These two parallels will ultimately prevent any real permanent abuse from taking place, I believe. Maybe just for a little while at first while said player is racking up the negative marks, but theyll soon eventually be gone out of the system if they keep up their inappropriate misuses & behaviors.
Well, I dont know how your demeanor is in game, but as long as you play fair & dont cause problems, most of these unkickable room hosts should treat you fairly.
And I think that they should still let anyone join up for free, just to try it out. Let them join only the noob server & play there till they get a certain rank, and then to be able to increase their rank and play on the other "paid" severs along with everyone else, then yeah they have to pay something. But only a one time fee. And personaly I like $5.00 better. Not tooooo expensive & I think most people that have invested so much of their time & played CF long enough & come to really like it like most of us do, theyd pay the one time fee of $5.00 to move on to the rest of the game. I do think having to pay $5.00 would help to keep a lot more people honest, yes. ( :
Plus getting a nice sum of ZP at first would be a very nice added incentive. They could even make it a one time extra large sum to entice people. A very reasonable idea Id say.
I do play MM a bit. Lately it's like... 70% Alaska, 10% Crossroads, 5% each of Eagle Eye, Excavation, Complex, Columbia. I'd probably play more Columbia if I could, it was my favorite map but not many rooms are out there for it.![:\](https://forum.z8games.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My gripe with MM is obviously blockers and glitchers are the worst there. They ruin a lot of the rounds and annoy me but not even so much as the players do. It's a fun mode yes but the players make me furious on there. They just can't play. I'm sure if it were possible I'd get kicked from most of the MM's I play for just general annoyance, yelling at people for doing stupid stuff. XD
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I was saying if only higher ranked people only got the kick initialization feature, less people would have it in general. Yes they could all agree with the kicker but at least they'd have a little more experience, whatever that's worth. It wouldn't be a good, well-thought out fix but it would be better.
It goes along with what I was saying about being worse for me if your system was implemented the way it is. It would give the host absolute power to just kick me instead of even voting. Which means I get kicked out of more games, especially if they're on the opposing side. Everyone obviously agrees with them that it's a good decision since of course I'd be rampaging if I was getting kicked so their score would be unaffected.
I'd either have to do it myself or find hosts that wouldn't kick me like you said. Which it does happen that I get games where the people know I'm not hacking and don't kick me but I never know which room they're in, who they really are vs. someone who may just be saying it since the vote is anonymous.
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It seems like you're getting overly complicated.
Even though I can tell you're thinking hard on how to make it all work out there are probably easier and better ways to do it.
You see a perfect system, I see the gaping hole in which I will continue to be kicked and marginalized within the system. Just like now none of them are going to vote for me.
They won't get a negative vote score and have their priveledges stripped because everyone will side with them and against me, exactly how it exists now. Only now instead of having one person initialize and everyone agree. 1 person kicks me straight out and everyone congratulates him for it. Yes, I'm sure there are nubs out there and try try try to kick me and it ends up not working 'cause not everyone agrees BUT when they can just kick me there's no reason everyone won't say it was good even if it wasn't fair, how would they know? If they even do lose their priveledge to kick, I probably won't be dealing with them again, I'll be getting kicked by someone else somewhere else. And most of the time, like when I get voted off, it's because everyone's already whining about me anyways, enough that even my team believes them and initiates then enough of them vote to get me kicked.
What this game really needs is a real spectate. There was a guy hacking in one of my games (I posted the replay somewhere around here) And I literally could not go to spectate and watch how he was playing. It looks like they started to put a spectate system into effect which is good but you need (ESPECIALLY as a room host with that kind of kicking power, either in your rank system or as a paid admin system such is discussed on the other thread) a way to pop from your team to spectater, watch how someone is actually playing so you can see if they're really doing something amazing and probably hacking vs. just playing well. Vis-a-vis CounterStrike.
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That's another point but one I'm not so worried about, as I'm not worried about it now. I can be annoying or a ***** in game a lot, I'm sure. I'm also sure I get kicked for that sometimes but that's actually what it says in the game and I am definately doing it so it's only fair if they vote me out, I get kicked for it. It just makes me wish people were cool, you know? I don't vote people out for talking. I make fun of the foreigners talking but I wouldn't kick them for it, I'm not a fag. There's a block chatting button for a reason, if you don't like to hear my chatting and banter during the game just use that, it's just as easy as trying to kick me but it works every time and I get to play every time, it's a win-win.:) Usually I just laugh at people who die stupidly or yell at poor campers to go do something or help instead of hiding. Even if it's to take a bullet while I shoot them it's better than doing nothing while I die and THEN taking the bullet without even fighting back.
Oh, I really yell at team naders too. Not that they do it on purpose but (From Alaska perspective) A) Don't take a nade, especially if you can't use it and there aren't enough for everyone.
Don't waste them, I see way too often people grab all the nades at round start willy-nilly and just throw them around corners and stuff without knowing if anyone is there. That doesn't help AT ALL. C) Don't throw it where your teammates are at or are running towards!!!! Even if there's a fight going on and you're SURE an enemy is there, let your teammates handle it. Give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll win and don't blow them up. Especially after they win and all you do is kill your low life teammate that was just won a fight.
That really ****es me off. Half the time I end rounds with my nade still available. 25% of the time I get a kill because I throw it where I know people are hiding at or are rushing towards. 25% I throw it where I know people are at and they move but it gives me either time, cover or noise to move on them without being heard and kill them anyways.
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Glad you agree a charge wouldn't be a bad thing for the game. Again, it wouldn't even have to technically be to play, like I said it could be a first time small charge for a decent amount of ZP. Like a 1-time offer for every player's account.
As it is I have friends that have multiple accounts just to use different weapons, since you can rank up and buy your first weapons really fast. Whereas anything with your regular account would be harder to get different weapons or cost a lot more.
As you see: Relatively no risk at all to losing an account for many people, for some only an awkward perk.
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