Please Don't Nerf the M12s
The M12s is perfect for what it is: a GP substitute for the Kriss Super V. However, the stats should be left alone, and there are a few reasons why it should stay:
-GP version of Kriss
-One of the very few GREAT submachine guns for GP players
-The M12s is NOT unbeatable, which is why the gun has lower power but makes up for it in low recoil and high speed. This is a perfect balance; weak power but great speed and efficiency.
-Very well balanced clip size; the 40/80 ammo clip is only bad if you're an absolute noob who sprays. Actually TRY to aim well, and the ammo shortage problem goes away.
-GREAT cheaper alternative to Scar Wannabes (people who want the Scar L but too lazy to get to master sergeant XD), and rank requirement is perfect as well.
-M12s is definitely counter-able with a K2, M4, AWM, or any other long range rifle, so it DOES HAVE WEAKNESSES!
Please don't ever change the M12s, it's fine where it is
Thanks for including such an awesome new gun!
-GP version of Kriss
-One of the very few GREAT submachine guns for GP players
-The M12s is NOT unbeatable, which is why the gun has lower power but makes up for it in low recoil and high speed. This is a perfect balance; weak power but great speed and efficiency.
-Very well balanced clip size; the 40/80 ammo clip is only bad if you're an absolute noob who sprays. Actually TRY to aim well, and the ammo shortage problem goes away.
-GREAT cheaper alternative to Scar Wannabes (people who want the Scar L but too lazy to get to master sergeant XD), and rank requirement is perfect as well.
-M12s is definitely counter-able with a K2, M4, AWM, or any other long range rifle, so it DOES HAVE WEAKNESSES!
Please don't ever change the M12s, it's fine where it is
Thanks for including such an awesome new gun!
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This is why it will be nerfed. It is Z8Games. They will nerf it to make you buy ZP, for a good smg. Seriously..
just get an AK-47, you will learn how to control it, and use it pretty well in less than a month. Then you will have a solid gun that they won't nerf. -
This is why it will be nerfed. It is Z8Games. They will nerf it to make you buy ZP, for a good smg. Seriously..
just get an AK-47, you will learn how to control it, and use it pretty well in less than a month. Then you will have a solid gun that they won't nerf.
But not everyone wants an AK-47, I mean, I USED to own one. They're good, but it didn't feel right. I wanted a GOOD SMG, not the recoil of an AK. Besides, I've already played with one. -
Greenywood wrote: »The M12s is perfect for what it is: a GP substitute for the Kriss Super V. However, the stats should be left alone, and there are a few reasons why it should stay:
-GP version of Kriss
-One of the very few GREAT submachine guns for GP players
-The M12s is NOT unbeatable, which is why the gun has lower power but makes up for it in low recoil and high speed. This is a perfect balance; weak power but great speed and efficiency.
-Very well balanced clip size; the 40/80 ammo clip is only bad if you're an absolute noob who sprays. Actually TRY to aim well, and the ammo shortage problem goes away.
-GREAT cheaper alternative to Scar Wannabes (people who want the Scar L but too lazy to get to master sergeant XD), and rank requirement is perfect as well.
-M12s is definitely counter-able with a K2, M4, AWM, or any other long range rifle, so it DOES HAVE WEAKNESSES!
Please don't ever change the M12s, it's fine where it is
Thanks for including such an awesome new gun!
First off, every gun has a weakness, some a little less apparent than others but they have flaws. The m12s, in my opinion, is far superior than the Kriss. It shoots faster than the Uzi, power of the mp5, and ammo of the mp7. IF they leave it how it is, everyone will quite buying ZP for the Kriss and just get GP and buy the M12S. It most likely will get nerfed. If not, the Kriss will have to be made stronger since it's a ZP CRATE (coupon) weapon. My opinion, in other words, is far different than yours. -
gp version of kriss >tommy gun and u a noob u one of those guys going a round spraying with m12 yepGreenywood wrote: »The M12s is perfect for what it is: a GP substitute for the Kriss Super V. However, the stats should be left alone, and there are a few reasons why it should stay:
-GP version of Kriss
-One of the very few GREAT submachine guns for GP players
-The M12s is NOT unbeatable, which is why the gun has lower power but makes up for it in low recoil and high speed. This is a perfect balance; weak power but great speed and efficiency.
-Very well balanced clip size; the 40/80 ammo clip is only bad if you're an absolute noob who sprays. Actually TRY to aim well, and the ammo shortage problem goes away.
-GREAT cheaper alternative to Scar Wannabes (people who want the Scar L but too lazy to get to master sergeant XD), and rank requirement is perfect as well.
-M12s is definitely counter-able with a K2, M4, AWM, or any other long range rifle, so it DOES HAVE WEAKNESSES!
Thanks for including such an awesome new gun! -
Greenywood wrote: »The M12s is perfect for what it is: a GP substitute for the Kriss Super V. However, the stats should be left alone, and there are a few reasons why it should stay:
-GP version of Kriss
-One of the very few GREAT submachine guns for GP players
-The M12s is NOT unbeatable, which is why the gun has lower power but makes up for it in low recoil and high speed. This is a perfect balance; weak power but great speed and efficiency.
-Very well balanced clip size; the 40/80 ammo clip is only bad if you're an absolute noob who sprays. Actually TRY to aim well, and the ammo shortage problem goes away.
-GREAT cheaper alternative to Scar Wannabes (people who want the Scar L but too lazy to get to master sergeant XD), and rank requirement is perfect as well.
-M12s is definitely counter-able with a K2, M4, AWM, or any other long range rifle, so it DOES HAVE WEAKNESSES!
Please don't ever change the M12s, it's fine where it is
Thanks for including such an awesome new gun!
The problem with it is it doesn't have any weakness... You say it has low power... but for an SMG... Not really. It takes like 5 body shots to kill, and its first 6 or 7 shots are Extremely accurate. It's just as nooby as the ScarL. It takes no skill to use it, and it doesn't make the people using it get any better. -
gp version of kriss >tommy gun and u a noob u one of those guys going a round spraying with m12 yep
How about you learn some English once in a while? I said that you should AIM WELL, dumbass, not spray so much.
There's a Scar Light for the people who are dedicated to getting that rank, and there's the M12s. I still don't see why ONLY ZP guns have to be really good. Why can't we have another gun that matches the Kriss and Scar L? It should STAY AS IT IS.
To MasterScar:
I do agree in some instances it does seem overpowered, but the Kriss and Scar are already staple "elite" guns in the game, so why would adding a GP version of the Kriss (for people who can't afford/don't want ZP) be a bad thing?
If you are a good player AT ALL, you should be comfortable with fighting against ANY gun, even if it's a complete noob spraying an M12s, Scar Light, or Kriss. Skill will ALWAYS determine the fight or scrim, and if you're complaining about noobs then have you ever considered the TIMING of when you got killed?
For instance, if a COMPLETE NOOB has a full 40/80 clip, and you come out of a corner into a hallway right after you killed someone and running low on ammo or reloading, they will ALWAYS have a chance to kill you. That's how you lose to noobs. It's unlucky timing, and a good gun. Don't blame the M12s, blame yourself. -
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Thompson is, sun.Greenywood wrote: »The M12s is perfect for what it is: a GP substitute for the Kriss Super V. However, the stats should be left alone, and there are a few reasons why it should stay:
-GP version of Kriss
-One of the very few GREAT submachine guns for GP players
-The M12s is NOT unbeatable, which is why the gun has lower power but makes up for it in low recoil and high speed. This is a perfect balance; weak power but great speed and efficiency.
-Very well balanced clip size; the 40/80 ammo clip is only bad if you're an absolute noob who sprays. Actually TRY to aim well, and the ammo shortage problem goes away.
-GREAT cheaper alternative to Scar Wannabes (people who want the Scar L but too lazy to get to master sergeant XD), and rank requirement is perfect as well.
-M12s is definitely counter-able with a K2, M4, AWM, or any other long range rifle, so it DOES HAVE WEAKNESSES!
Please don't ever change the M12s, it's fine where it is
Thanks for including such an awesome new gun!
Anyways, You never know when they'll nerf, they nerf it without warning. -
I hope they really do nerf it.It is good,but to easy to sue.You say it is weak long range,but really isn't that weak.I am always see that gun now and it get annoying.It requires no skill to use and is as bad as scar light.
I hope it's power gets nerfed,and ammo increased to what it's supposed to be.More ammo,less power won't be to different,but it will help so ppl won't get killed by it to often.If you need a replacement for the kriss get the tommy. -
Greenywood wrote: »How about you learn some English once in a while? I said that you should AIM WELL, dumbass, not spray so much.
There's a Scar Light for the people who are dedicated to getting that rank, and there's the M12s. I still don't see why ONLY ZP guns have to be really good. Why can't we have another gun that matches the Kriss and Scar L? It should STAY AS IT IS.
To MasterScar:
I do agree in some instances it does seem overpowered, but the Kriss and Scar are already staple "elite" guns in the game, so why would adding a GP version of the Kriss (for people who can't afford/don't want ZP) be a bad thing?
If you are a good player AT ALL, you should be comfortable with fighting against ANY gun, even if it's a complete noob spraying an M12s, Scar Light, or Kriss. Skill will ALWAYS determine the fight or scrim, and if you're complaining about noobs then have you ever considered the TIMING of when you got killed?
For instance, if a COMPLETE NOOB has a full 40/80 clip, and you come out of a corner into a hallway right after you killed someone and running low on ammo or reloading, they will ALWAYS have a chance to kill you. That's how you lose to noobs. It's unlucky timing, and a good gun. Don't blame the M12s, blame yourself.
Never had a problem killing someone with the m12s but it is extremely overpowered to be GP weapon when compared to a ZP crate weapon. It needs to be nerfed. -
Here you go. Corrected it a bit for you.Greenywood wrote: »The M12s is NOOB for what it is: a GP substitute for the Kriss Super V. However, the stats should NOT be left alone, and there are a few reasons why it shouldn't stay:
-GP version of Kriss
-One of the very few NOOB submachine guns for GP players
-The M12s does NOT requires any aiming nor skills, which is why the gun has lower power but makes up for it in low recoil and high speed. This is a perfect DISBALANCE; just spray and pray.
-Very UNBALANCED clip size; the 40/80 ammo clip is allready bigger that the standart clip, and with it's reload at the speed of light this gun becomes even more famous to the spraynoobs.
-NOOB cheaper alternative to Scar NOOBs (people who are noobs up to the point they can't rank up till the Skill Light), and rank requirement is BS as well, a noobgun on Sargeant? Seriously?
-M12s is definitely counter-able with other weapons, as are all the other noobguns, but it still stays overpowered compared to most of them, and overpowered to all the SMGs.
Please nerf the M12s, we allready have too much noobguns
Thanks for including such a game killing new gun! -
i have it it its a ok gun not the BEST smg kriss is still better by a lot.
the only reason its called overpowered is for the fact that it has no recoil just like the scar L and the tommy and the kriss but the kriss IS powerful.
i say if you nerf it give it 35/105 ammo and or make the recoil a we bit higher or higher price / rank -
What's wrong with the MP5?
You want a good, solid, accurate, fast, and controllable SMG look no further.
The UZI is just lame, although the P90 should be beast it is never portrayed right in videogames (crossfire is no exception making it innaccurate and weak), the K1-A is hardly an SMG, and although the M-12s is opperable it is hardly the best GP SMG.
I've seen many more M-12s users go up in flames than I have seen MP5 users.
It is like the Thompson... too much power, not enough controlability. It is an up close and personal weapon only, while other SMGs are capable of longer ranges...
If they nerf the M-12s, which they probably will, it'll just be another wannabe MP5... -
ya spinning a dam wheel to see if you can win a kriss is awsome...... Actually it just plain blows. You should't have to blow your paycheck just to see if chance loves you. As I sure you are all aware some have won multiple kriss and such and that is great. But for those of us who God hates.... It is nice to be able to buy a weapon that somwhat copares to the those won by CHANCE Speaking of which does anybody want wthe ocean wall spray? I have about 3 years of it now but alas no permenant weapon.
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hfdGreenywood wrote: »How about you learn some English once in a while? I said that you should AIM WELL, dumbass, not spray so much.
There's a Scar Light for the people who are dedicated to getting that rank, and there's the M12s. I still don't see why ONLY ZP guns have to be really good. Why can't we have another gun that matches the Kriss and Scar L? It should STAY AS IT IS.
To MasterScar:
I do agree in some instances it does seem overpowered, but the Kriss and Scar are already staple "elite" guns in the game, so why would adding a GP version of the Kriss (for people who can't afford/don't want ZP) be a bad thing?
If you are a good player AT ALL, you should be comfortable with fighting against ANY gun, even if it's a complete noob spraying an M12s, Scar Light, or Kriss. Skill will ALWAYS determine the fight or scrim, and if you're complaining about noobs then have you ever considered the TIMING of when you got killed?
For instance, if a COMPLETE NOOB has a full 40/80 clip, and you come out of a corner into a hallway right after you killed someone and running low on ammo or reloading, they will ALWAYS have a chance to kill you. That's how you lose to noobs. It's unlucky timing, and a good gun. Don't blame the M12s, blame yourself.
lol dude get some skill and if some one is spraying a 40 bullets in to u while ure awming i doubt u coukld kill them -
FelipeChang wrote: »i think it should be nerfed or atleast reduce the ammo clip to 30 - 35.
You can't be serious. 30-35???
The ammo duration is the thing that balances out the gun. Look up the m12s' finalshotreview on youtube.
If anything, they should pull a QBZ and increase the required rank. -
I personally hate the M12S.
I'm a rifle user and I prefer bursting and or/1 tapping then just seeing someone and spraying the sh!t outta them.
For example, I have a Kriss Super V, but I literally NEVER use it because it ruins all my rifle skills and just decreases the overall level of thinking/skill needed to get kills..
M12S will get nerfed, and since its a GP gun, Z8 don't have to take any sh!t from people who disagree..kbye. -
I believe that if the M12's stays as it is no one will be buying Kriss crates and ZP pays for this game. They need to lower the stats on M12 or they need to up the stats on kriss. As of now its better then kriss making everyone who bought one feel bad. i know this will disapoint u but theyt need to make a living or a new ZP crate weapon, such as K-2 advanced or custom.
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