truth about pings... someone prove me wrong please
this is from this thread http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?p=642145#post642145260 in the Canadians.
330 in the UK.
190 in West.
Ping does cause some reaction issues - I don't see you but you see me, etc.
But the issue here I reckon is the faulty coding.
thought this needed its own coz its diffrent
thats a double edged knife it depends who's camping... ping works both way (eg.)
20 vs 150 pinger
150 pinger camps... 20 pinger moves round corner and shoot them almost b4 they see you... because its not peer 2 peer its peer 2 server 2 peer 20 pinger moves round corner takes the 150pinger longer to see 20 pinger comming round corner than it does 20 pinger to see camper( only works on camping)
(eg.)
20 pinger moves round corner takes the lower 20 ping to move round corner and see them
the 150 pinger has to wait for thr 150 ping to reach the server and come back again
so 150 pinger takes 120-130 ping time diffrence more to see the guy comming round on server... now other way round...
150 pinger comes round corner and shoots 20 pinger b4 they can shoot this is beacuse the 150pinger can come round the corner and see the low 20 pinger 130 ping diffrence b4 the 20 pinger does
this is because this game is server based/// not peer/host based
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I'm confused @_@
So lower ping w/ moving around = see enemy who is camping with 150+ first?
And higher ping w/ moving around = see enemy who is camping with low ping first?
yes thats exactly right... ping works both ways...( on camping)
depends who camper is...
me and 3 friends all diffrent pings in diff servers exstensivly tested this like we do alot of things -
H3adShoot3r wrote: »Your post makes no sense.
only to those people without the brain power to comprehend this ( understand it)
most gamers ( or people over the age of 15) will understand...
say 150 pinger moves on 20 pinger.. the 150 pinger will come out see the 20 pinger first...because of server latency( ping)
lets just say 150 pings = 1 & 1/2 seconds 20 ping = 0.20 seconds just for exsample ( not sure on real times) and server = 0.0 secs
150 pinger moves to 20 pinger
150 pinger moves round he/she will see the 20 pinger instantly coz the 20 pinger been siting in same spot on server , so for an in game xsample... 150 pinger moves in although the high pinger is lagging there moving relative to the server not your ping.. 20 ping 0.2 secs to server to see wots new + the ping from opponent 1.50 secs.. = totall 1.70 secs to see the guy come round the corner to shoot you...
but the thing about lagg is the tanking... its the only thing that keeps low pingers better
high pinger moves in see's instantly but it takes the low pinger 1.30 secs longer to see the guy comming round corner( remember time frame is exsample) -
H3adShoot3r wrote: »Your grammar is atrocious and there's little to no punctuation. I get confused with the run on sentences, not the gaming aspect you dumbass.
tried to exsplaine better on edited post see if that helps
also this isnt an english class no one cares about spelling or grammer sorry -
bumping thread beacuse more poeple should see this (went to page 2)
any chance of this getting stickied... coz i think its all mostly factually true..
i could refine it to mkae a sticky if it helps... i just think everyone should see...
it will cause people to shout hacker less often -
there rlly isnt a difrence except that if u have higher ping your shots tank more even if your ping isnt very high but that is only with a 1 on 1
so it doesnt matter if u see them same time if ur shots tank the low pinger has a better chance anyway because of whats called jitter
at 100+ ping to me every1 tanks all the time cuz it takes like 5 bullets to kill unless u headshot where at 25 ping every1 dies 2-3 bullets
if there 2 high pingers shooting at eachother and a low pinger jumps in he can easily take the kill but if a high pinger and a low pinger r shooting and a high pinger jumps in the low pinger will still probably get the kill
well thats not exactly tested maybe im wrong its just my opnion-... -
there rlly isnt a difrence except that if u have higher ping your shots tank more even if your ping isnt very high but that is only with a 1 on 1
so it doesnt matter if u see them same time if ur shots tank the low pinger has a better chance anyway because of whats called jitter
at 100+ ping to me every1 tanks all the time cuz it takes like 5 bullets to kill unless u headshot where at 25 ping every1 dies 2-3 bullets
if there 2 high pingers shooting at eachother and a low pinger jumps in he can easily take the kill but if a high pinger and a low pinger r shooting and a high pinger jumps in the low pinger will still probably get the kill
well thats not exactly tested maybe im wrong its just my opnion-...
sorry but u obviously not a gamer that plays alot..... ty for your opinion all is welcome...
but by wot u have said u only play TD's... im talking about good players vs good players on clan matcxhes, scrims, some very well timed pubs were all players own
but ty anyways -
Well I thought it worked like this, with camping a disadvantage.
Not moving from a spot will mean:
A higher pinger will not send the packet that they can see you until too late
A lower pinger will send the packet but you will not receive it until too late
And if it comes down to the first shots missing, the low pinger gets to tank more bullets. Now if on a high pingers screen everything is abit behind, would firing in front of an enemy would reduce tanking? -
Well I thought it worked like this, with camping a disadvantage.
Not moving from a spot will mean:
A higher pinger will not send the packet that they can see you until too late
A lower pinger will send the packet but you will not receive it until too late
And if it comes down to the first shots missing, the low pinger gets to tank more bullets. Now if on a high pingers screen everything is abit behind, would firing in front of an enemy would reduce tanking?
yes if u PRE-Fired an enemey say thru a door way...
u could prefire it someone could go into door way where u prefired from 150-200ping
and beacuse your ping is so high it takes 1-2 seconds to recive the info from server to you
by so high pinger shoots at empty space through door half second later u look through same door... beacuse it takes high pinger sooo long to shoot at "server" the server shoots in same direction like 1/2 second to a second later resulting in lag death( usually allowing tanking)( jitter between people) hope this helps -
You are right! But when I camp, I will use my headphone's. So I can hear how fast
someone is moving; Somone with a high ping & slower steps, I will keep on my mark.
But someone with a low ping & faster steps, I will lead out my shot by one ft.
It's all about how fast or slow someone is moving. And most times, I am using the AWM at a doorway. -
Dimentional1 wrote: »this is from this thread http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?p=642145#post642145
thought this needed its own coz its diffrent
thats a double edged knife it depends who's camping... ping works both way (eg.)
20 vs 150 pinger
150 pinger camps... 20 pinger moves round corner and shoot them almost b4 they see you... because its not peer 2 peer its peer 2 server 2 peer 20 pinger moves round corner takes the 150pinger longer to see 20 pinger comming round corner than it does 20 pinger to see camper( only works on camping)
(eg.)
20 pinger moves round corner takes the lower 20 ping to move round corner and see them
the 150 pinger has to wait for thr 150 ping to reach the server and come back again
so 150 pinger takes 120-130 ping time diffrence more to see the guy comming round on server... now other way round...
150 pinger comes round corner and shoots 20 pinger b4 they can shoot this is beacuse the 150pinger can come round the corner and see the low 20 pinger 130 ping diffrence b4 the 20 pinger does
this is because this game is server based/// not peer/host based
All valid comments welcome
No flaming
No off topic
No bs posts
forum rules apply
Thank you for posting this,"The Shock of Recognition" will hit everyone(ok i hope so),who cries about pings and stuff. -
Lower ping = Better.
Just look at the obvious rather than making up complicated crap.
The person with lower ping is always ahead no matter what, and with two equally skilled people, the lower pinger will win? Why - because in CF you cannot two-way-kill each other (unless it is a grenade). The first bullet to register will win the battle - this will be the player with lowest ping.
High ping might come in useful if you are in an open situation vs some1 who is a crap shot and can't instantly headshot you and it turns into a spray fest whereby your lag confuses them if you warp whilst you pull off a lucky HS.
I know this, I've played CF for 9 months with 130-190 ping, and I was still a **** hot player...
Now i have 12 ping in UK server, and im mother*******g unstoppable.
Lower ping = Better.
The End. -
true that...
@ OP : one other thing though, when a 150 pinger does surprise a 20 pinger, you then have the lag delay on bullets registering meaning the 20 pinger has time to see and slot the 150 pinger meaning what was a bonus for you is effectively removed.
saying that i hate my 3 ping cos i get bad reg on people but they get perfect reg on me... -
well a pinger with 300 ping vs som1 with 10 ping
or a pinger with 155 ping vs som1 with 155 ping,
there will be the same amount of tanking. the 10 pinger wont have any advantage on a 1v1 situation. now its true high pinger do have a certain disadvantage, but its not what most peoples say it is.( well this is my own theory so criticizes, don't flame, don't confound the both) well a high pinger will tank a lot and get tankd a lot, meaning he could be a realy good player playing against a really bad player and still lose because of some bad luck, now a high pinger with no skill at all and a broken mouse could still beat the whole team of life line if he would tank and get hes bullets to register at the same time ( well, that would require more luck then winning the lottery but you get my point) in short, the only disadvantaged a high pinger get is that its more of a lottery then anything else with a lower amount of skill involved in it. making hes ratio go near 0.8-1.2, while a low pinger vs another low pinger, the better player will win, making a pro get a really nice kd and a noob a really bad, , the higher the ping the more random the luck factor it is, ( have you ever gotten killed by a 1K pinger? you just cant do **** about it and spray
) -
true that...
@ OP : one other thing though, when a 150 pinger does surprise a 20 pinger, you then have the lag delay on bullets registering meaning the 20 pinger has time to see and slot the 150 pinger meaning what was a bonus for you is effectively removed.
saying that i hate my 3 ping cos i get bad reg on people but they get perfect reg on me...
I think you are missing the point of the time delay between when the charging player jumps out and the camping player sees them. I have a ping of 200 (Aussie server FTW?
) and I've noticed that in Prison if I happen to be in the middle of a doorway other players have the opportunity to shoot me before I even see them. I'll give you an example of how this works:
Player 1: ping of 200
player 2: ping of 100
Both players have a reaction speed of 170 ms (170ms is the average human reaction speed though, so any half decent player should do better)
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Player 1 is camping, Player 2 jumps out and shoots him:
0 ms: Player 2 jumps out
100ms: Player 2 jumps out on the server (ping difference from player 2 to server)
170ms: Player 2 sees Player 1 and shoots (reaction speed)
270ms: Player 2's shot registers on the server (ping difference to server)
300ms: Player 1 can finally see Player 2 (ping difference between players)
470ms: Player 1 shoots Player 2 (reaction speed)
670ms: Player 1's shot registers on the server (ping difference to server)
As you can see, if Player 2 jumps out his shot will register about 30 ms before Player 1 even sees him and another 400 ms before Player 1's shot registers.
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Now lets reverse the roles: Player 2 is camping, player 1 is jumping out:
0 ms: Player 1 jumps out
170ms: Player 1 shoots Player 2 (reaction time)
200ms: Player 1 jumps out on server (ping difference between Player 1 and server)
300ms: Player 2 sees Player 1 (ping diference between players)
370ms: Player 1's shot registers (ping difference between Player 1 and server)
470ms: Player 2 shoots Player 1 (reaction speed)
570ms: Player 2's shot registers (ping difference between Player 2 and server)
In this case player 1's shot will register before player 2's does, although by a narrower margin.
IF YOU COULDN'T BE BOTHERED READING THAT:
The examples above show that players that jump out have an advantage over those who stay still, and that the player with the lowest ping will benefit the most. Also, as reaction speed become faster the effect of ping difference becomes more noticable. This only applies when one player is camping and the other isn't.
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