Clan Ranking System

well here is the thing. with farming being a big thing in CF and how over half the top 100 clans are based on farming and/or hacking (lol FITH) i have a suggestion on making the ranking system more skilled based..



some suggestions of mine ->

the clans K/D, W/L, and/or EXP made in clan wars via beta clan server = clan rank (cant farm in there lol)

people in the same clan CAN face eachother... would this be a problem.. no.. bc they would make no EXP, the W/L would just equal itself, and the K/D can go lop sided.

just implement this idea or whatever great idea suggested about this... and restart all the ranks from 0!! =D


[size=+1]Please suggest your own ideas on this matter, and not flame about my idea, it is just an idea. lets hear yours[/size]

Comments

  • sounds like a good idea for determining clan rank i think. where skill is usually involved unless they actually make a clan to farm against. however it would be a bit unfair for the lower clans who either don't normally have enough people on to play clan matches. (i believe the minimum is 3.)
  • Kelathe wrote: »
    where skill is usually involved unless they actually make a clan to farm against.

    This^^^^^^^^^^

    They'll just make a clan of alts to farm against.

    The best way to find a real ranking of clans wouldn't be ingame, but off-site, with points awarded to clans/players for placing in tournaments and events and stuff like that. Would be very hard (if not impossible) to cheat the system

    EX: http://www.tm-rankings.com/competitions/ESL-PremierShip-Season-IV_847.html
    http://www.tm-rankings.com/teams/tmnf/wl/20/2009-12-01/
  • hmm..yea lots of clans rly arent that good..they just have a lot of crappy people who play and get points..they dont rly have skill..so good idea..but clan rank means nothing..the whole point of a clan is to be in a group with your friends and play against others..soo yea (: but this is a good idea to rly determine clan rank..but original way should still count towards at least 30% of the total clan rank
  • Actually you CAN farm in beta. Make a clan for your farming accounts.
  • .. bad idea
    the new clans wont get their clan rank that fast cos of this
  • Now that I think about it, maybe the Elo Rating System would be a good idea.

    It'd make farming impossible and do a decent job at distinguishing the good clans from the bad, because you have to keep playing against higher ranked clans to keep moving up, but if you start losing to weaker clans, you'll be dropping down the ranks. Would be a pretty good system to use imo.
  • G2Wolf wrote: »
    Now that I think about it, maybe the Elo Rating System would be a good idea.

    It'd make farming impossible and do a decent job at distinguishing the good clans from the bad, because you have to keep playing against higher ranked clans to keep moving up, but if you start losing to weaker clans, you'll be dropping down the ranks. Would be a pretty good system to use imo.

    This X2 thats the only way to get rid of farmers... oh wait cf doesnt care about this
  • Ya but ur clan rofl gaming hacks too~~~~~ and farm and cham ~~~~~~
    u too cham more
  • legomanno1 wrote: »
    Ya but ur clan rofl gaming hacks too~~~~~ and farm and cham ~~~~~~
    u too cham more


    no one in ROFL Gaming farms at all.. idk where ppl get that idea.. we are rank like 250 something and been around since last september... look at ALL our KD's, yeah almost all of us have 1.7+ but thats bc we recruit good players only, hints why we are a invite only clan.... see us in game and look at our TDM KD's ... none of our KD's are over maybe 5.0 in TDM's

    no one in ROFL Gaming hacks do to the fact iPuff, the leader, cant stand hackers nor can any of our players. so when a new member joins.. we TeamView their computers and/or make them growler randomly.. maybe teamview them randomly while they are playing (dont let them close the CF client) almost every player in the clan has gone through the process... maybe not as soon as they join.. but it eventually happens...

    we are all ex-LND members, basically... from back in the day LND ... 90% of the ppl in our clan has known each other for a year or even more..

    so ppl who QQ over ROFL Gaming are just absolute noobs that need to learn to play...



    i hack more? save and report please, if i do hack ill be banned, which i guarantee i will not be banned lol GG kid :D
  • G2Wolf wrote: »
    Now that I think about it, maybe the Elo Rating System would be a good idea.

    It'd make farming impossible and do a decent job at distinguishing the good clans from the bad, because you have to keep playing against higher ranked clans to keep moving up, but if you start losing to weaker clans, you'll be dropping down the ranks. Would be a pretty good system to use imo.

    this is the result of using the elo rating system... go to http://www.esl.eu/eu/crossfire/sd/5on5/ladder/
    our ladder's use the elo rating system
  • Who cares about ranking anywayz -.-'

    But another clan list according to thier tp (tournament points) as G2Wolf suggested would be good.
  • Maybe 2 lists are needed? 1 based on tournament rankings and 1 based on an ingame elo system.

    TR would measure a team's ability in a competitive scenario while the elo rating would give just a general skill (or hack :/) level.
  • G2Wolf wrote: »
    Maybe 2 lists are needed? 1 based on tournament rankings and 1 based on an ingame elo system.

    TR would measure a team's ability in a competitive scenario while the elo rating would give just a general skill (or hack :/) level.

    lawl at the (or hack :/) level. hahaha

    but for real... wofly poo is right on the button with the ranking system :D for individual and clan... (totally individual ranking has nothing to do with clan ranking btw, just throw that in there lol)

    [size=+2]Consider these ideas Saidin!![/size]
  • I got doubts cmon farmers would do the IMPOSSIBLE to farm even if they have to make a whole new clan to farm off. But its gonna be hard to do anyway so I think it might just work. Good idea.
  • Omegasigma wrote: »
    I got doubts cmon farmers would do the IMPOSSIBLE to farm even if they have to make a whole new clan to farm off. But its gonna be hard to do anyway so I think it might just work. Good idea.

    no, with elo rating system... if ur clan keep facing low ranked clans, then ur clan doesnt go anywhere.... ur clan continuously has to face higher ranked clans than face farmed on clans that would have absolutely no rank (very very low rank), to even move up... farming a clan rank is virtually impossible =D

    of course this elo system would only be used for clanwars via the beta clan server.. it would basically take the scores, set them into the system and submits automatically, then calculates do to the clans ranks to how many points are gained or lost from each clan..

    with this system, they can actually separate what clans are best at S&D, GM, EM, ect... and have a sub ranking for that too.... that would also help with official tournaments, do to the fact it would show which clans are S&D clans and GM clans... basically.. the ranks would look like this on a clan page ->

    ROFL Gaming
    clan rank #100
    S&D rank #2
    GM rank #2500
    EM rank #3000
    ect.....

    its actually very simple to put into games, there are some that use it and automatically does everything for the MOD's and GM's ..... im sure it would take time to do tho, bc it would have to be coded into the game...... but at least it would be coded to work in one server instead of all :D.... i think if this idea comes to effect, then all ranks should be restarted, every clan is rank 0 starting with 1000 points, and all new clans start at 1000 points... every night the points would be updated 12am EST :D
  • ESLBirdie wrote: »
    every night the points would be updated 12am EST :D
    For the system to work properly, a team's elo rating needs to be updated right after any match.

    You could have the overall team ranking system (1. *** clan, 2. yyy clan) update once a day to reduce server load, but after any match the 2 teams that played need to have their elo rating adjusted. A good idea would be just to show elo rating in game, and people would have to check the site to check clan ranking (kinda like how it is now). Clan ranking would update once a day, elo rating would update after every match. Wouldn't be too server-intensive since it'll be only changing 2 teams' ratings after a match, and not refreshing the whole clan ranking list to adjust everyone's ranking.
  • G2Wolf wrote: »
    For the system to work properly, a team's elo rating needs to be updated right after any match.

    You could have the overall team ranking system (1. *** clan, 2. yyy clan) update once a day to reduce server load, but after any match the 2 teams that played need to have their elo rating adjusted. A good idea would be just to show elo rating in game, and people would have to check the site to check clan ranking (kinda like how it is now). Clan ranking would update once a day, elo rating would update after every match. Wouldn't be too server-intensive since it'll be only changing 2 teams' ratings after a match, and not refreshing the whole clan ranking list to adjust everyone's ranking.

    yeah, what he said........... -__-
  • ESLBirdie wrote: »
    well here is the thing. with farming being a big thing in CF and how over half the top 100 clans are based on farming and/or hacking (lol FITH) i have a suggestion on making the ranking system more skilled based..



    some suggestions of mine ->

    the clans K/D, W/L, and/or EXP made in clan wars via beta clan server = clan rank (cant farm in there lol)

    people in the same clan CAN face eachother... would this be a problem.. no.. bc they would make no EXP, the W/L would just equal itself, and the K/D can go lop sided.

    just implement this idea or whatever great idea suggested about this... and restart all the ranks from 0!! =D


    [size=+1]Please suggest your own ideas on this matter, and not flame about my idea, it is just an idea. lets hear yours[/size]
    Actually you can farm in clan server because Pwned Made there own farm clan called TEAM C0W and they will just use them to farm.
  • It works fine so just leave.. Why fiddle?
  • NeoViperr wrote: »
    Actually you can farm in clan server because Pwned Made there own farm clan called TEAM C0W and they will just use them to farm.

    Try reading more than the first post in a thread before posting.
    NoWayOut69 wrote: »
    It works fine so just leave.. Why fiddle?
    Because it doesn't work.
  • ESLBirdie wrote: »
    well here is the thing. with farming being a big thing in CF and how over half the top 100 clans are based on farming and/or hacking (lol FITH) i have a suggestion on making the ranking system more skilled based..



    some suggestions of mine ->

    the clans K/D, W/L, and/or EXP made in clan wars via beta clan server = clan rank (cant farm in there lol)

    people in the same clan CAN face eachother... would this be a problem.. no.. bc they would make no EXP, the W/L would just equal itself, and the K/D can go lop sided.

    just implement this idea or whatever great idea suggested about this... and restart all the ranks from 0!! =D


    [size=+1]Please suggest your own ideas on this matter, and not flame about my idea, it is just an idea. lets hear yours[/size]

    nah it wont work. k/d and exp would be blown away by the farmers. all theyed have to do would be farm another clan like powned farms team c0w. i think it shoula be based on just tounrnament standings
  • nah it wont work. k/d and exp would be blown away by the farmers. all theyed have to do would be farm another clan like powned farms team c0w. i think it shoula be based on just tounrnament standings

    read the other posts before posting a new post lawl
  • I agree with x-birdie and the others. Great idea birdie.