dealing with "BLOCKERS" in Mutant Mode
I think the new Mutation mode is pretty fun & awesome & presents a whole new experience & list of unique gameplay & challenges. I was surprised to see how quickly a few players came into this new mode with one shot mutant kill hacks but so far its only been a few & Im willing to give Z8 the benefit of the doubt on this one as theyve done a very good job of dealing with hackers for a while now, especially after using the new anti-hack software.
But now a new trend I see some players doing is while in Mutant form, they position themselves in just the right spot at the entrance to the metal shipping crates while one or more of the non mutant players hide behind them in the back & are then untouchable by the other mutant players. This in my opinion is exploiting a bug. Maybe not in the technical sense of the word but I dont believe the programmers intended for this type of gameplay to occur. Theres really no tactic or strategy I know of to counter this.
This definitely needs to be corrected asap as Im sure more & more people will only jump on the band-wagon on this one & will happen more & more...Z8 if youre listening......
But now a new trend I see some players doing is while in Mutant form, they position themselves in just the right spot at the entrance to the metal shipping crates while one or more of the non mutant players hide behind them in the back & are then untouchable by the other mutant players. This in my opinion is exploiting a bug. Maybe not in the technical sense of the word but I dont believe the programmers intended for this type of gameplay to occur. Theres really no tactic or strategy I know of to counter this.
This definitely needs to be corrected asap as Im sure more & more people will only jump on the band-wagon on this one & will happen more & more...Z8 if youre listening......
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Three possible solutions:
1. Enable vote kick, allows people to kick the blockers, as well as removes hackers.
2. Allow mutants to push other mutants out of the way, possibly through the use of the special ability of Berserkers and Titans.
3. Extend the height of shipping containers so that another mutant is able to jump over the blocker.
Now, all of these ideas solve the problem at hand, but poses more problems. The first solution is probably ideal, although I doubt Z8 would actually implement it. The scond idea, if tuned correctly would work quite well, although it might change the flow of gameplay a bit more. The third strategy is probably the worst, since it still enables two or more people to block. Even so, it'll be hard to find two people willing to block, and two people open up a plethora of new areas that can be blocked off.
At any rate, you should try to take preventative measures to stop it. Either position yourself as a human IN the same area, get infected and kill the camper, or position yourself a distance away to allow you to shoot the blocker. -
Im going to repost a post I made on a different thread just a little bit ago regarding the kick vote system lol. As youll see I am adamantly against it being implemented.
I like your idea of allowing mutant players to be able to be pushed around. That should definitely solve the problem. And to prevent any changes to the gameplay environment, it should be possible to easily code it to where this pushing can only be done at the entrances themselves & nowhere else on the map.
IDK about making the entrance taller though. It would definitely help but as you pointed out someone could always get their buddies to help out & its been a few days since Ive played but even then this was catching on like wild fire, just like the tactic of stacking up to get to the roof lol. So I think whether players know each other or not, too many people would follow suite & attempt to block just cuz they can.
Heres my previous post:
Regardless, there will always be those that QQ about someone using hacks when in fact they really arent & theyre just legitimately a very good player & subsequently trying to & in most cases, succeed in getting said person wrongfully kicked from the game. Too many people falsely accuse others of cheating. The vote kick system is gravely flawed because of that fact & thats only cuz so many of the players own logic & reasons for kicking other players is flawed & they in turn abuse the system.
Recently I have seen 3 different players using one shot kill zombie hacks in the last 7 days, out of maybe 100 matches. Yes I like the new zombie mode that much ( : As I am room host I simply wait for the game to end & kick their pathetic butts out of my room & continue on to the next game. During the match I think to myself how I wish we could pull up a vote kick on these sorry losers but then quickly remind myself how I & many others have too often fallen victim to it from the plethora of morons who also have access to it.
So for now until I see more actual hacking I dont care to see the vote kick system in this mode & I think Z8 will continue to counter the hackers. I think cuz this is in fact a new mode & concept they may have to try to more effectively deal with the hackers on a case by case basis for a while, while they work out some bugs.
Now as far as "BLOCKERS" thats a whole other issue thats starting to become a very annoying trend which I hope to see rectified soon. -
That would cause several strategic problems in gameplay. One for example, when you have non mutants up on the crates in the one corner of the map where theres a gap you have to jump across to get to the ledge on the other side; some have figured out how to stack up on each other & jump on the ledge & come at you from a different & sometimes unexpected direction. While I personally dont like that tactic since it happens to be one of my fav defensive positions as a non mutant lol, I can respect that it adds a little extra spice & precaution to be taken while camping there.
Another & perhaps the most detrimental consequence would be reaching the non mutants who stack on each other to jump on the roof. As a mutant, using this suggestion would make it impossible to get to the non mutants. You can then see the resulting scenario from there lol. And a few others as well. Theyd have to make it so no one can jump on the roof & I personaly like that you can do that. I just think itd be far simpler & easier to just make it where you can bump into a fellow mutant & push them a little, even if its only allowed to happen at the significant designated spots on the map. -
yeap, nice idea, enable kick vote, i dont agree. many inocent people will be kicked. they will start kicking people that have good score.. yeah.. there are hackers out there, one shooting plp. but x-trap will patch it (please, and fast).TimStryker wrote: »Im going to repost a post I made on a different thread just a little bit ago regarding the kick vote system lol. As youll see I am adamantly against it being implemented.
I like your idea of allowing mutant players to be able to be pushed around. That should definitely solve the problem. And to prevent any changes to the gameplay environment, it should be possible to easily code it to where this pushing can only be done at the entrances themselves & nowhere else on the map.
IDK about making the entrance taller though. It would definitely help but as you pointed out someone could always get their buddies to help out & its been a few days since Ive played but even then this was catching on like wild fire, just like the tactic of stacking up to get to the roof lol. So I think whether players know each other or not, too many people would follow suite & attempt to block just cuz they can.
Heres my previous post:
Regardless, there will always be those that QQ about someone using hacks when in fact they really arent & theyre just legitimately a very good player & subsequently trying to & in most cases, succeed in getting said person wrongfully kicked from the game. Too many people falsely accuse others of cheating. The vote kick system is gravely flawed because of that fact & thats only cuz so many of the players own logic & reasons for kicking other players is flawed & they in turn abuse the system.
Recently I have seen 3 different players using one shot kill zombie hacks in the last 7 days, out of maybe 100 matches. Yes I like the new zombie mode that much ( : As I am room host I simply wait for the game to end & kick their pathetic butts out of my room & continue on to the next game. During the match I think to myself how I wish we could pull up a vote kick on these sorry losers but then quickly remind myself how I & many others have too often fallen victim to it from the plethora of morons who also have access to it.
So for now until I see more actual hacking I dont care to see the vote kick system in this mode & I think Z8 will continue to counter the hackers. I think cuz this is in fact a new mode & concept they may have to try to more effectively deal with the hackers on a case by case basis for a while, while they work out some bugs.
Now as far as "BLOCKERS" thats a whole other issue thats starting to become a very annoying trend which I hope to see rectified soon.
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Listen up players!
If you have not read the other threaad you can now report BLOCKERS for harassment, just like hackers reports if your that angry about it? yes it is a temp ban 2 3 day at first but re offfenders well be SMASHED lolz search blocking look at thread wa hahahhhaaah! -
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Wait.. Cmon.. Something wrong whit blocking? Only becouse we got friends... and i can actually call it teamwork.
1. We are to selfish in MM... We like never help each others.
2. Then we can block so Soldiers finaly win..
3. If u WANT u can glitch into the container.. so no prob whit that. -
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Wait.. Cmon.. Something wrong whit blocking? Only becouse we got friends... and i can actually call it teamwork.
1. We are to selfish in MM... We like never help each others.
2. Then we can block so Soldiers finaly win..
3. If u WANT u can glitch into the container.. so no prob whit that.
Yes, there is everything wrong with it. I dont believe for a second the programmers intended for this to happen as there really isnt any countermeasure against it. Its basically cheating and exploiting an oversight made when they put the level together and your ruining everyone elses game by doing that. Its not like the roof where the mutants can just as easily get up and kill the humans up there.
Blocking is a very lame and cheap thing to do period.
I like the idea mentioned earlier about camping and sniping them but for as much as I played this mode Id bet 90%+ of the time youd get noticed right away and theyd come storming after you and kill you. And anytime this has happened in my games, it always comes down to the only humans that are left are the ones in the crate being blocked and everyone else is trying to get to them the rest of the round to no avail.
And no I didnt know you could report them for blocking. Been a few days since I played CF, so whether its an in game option now or simply reporting them the old fashioned method, thats good to know ( : -
Wundervoll wrote: »You can't kick. It is like FFA. Sorry. And umm I like it. Zombies are overpowered as it is. A win or two won't hurt you. Neither it does your ratio or game score. It is for xp and gp. And moderate amusement.
Well, Im not going to tell you that youre wrong for liking it, thats your opinion, no biggie. But the fact is I personaly can kick & will kick anyone who blocks & chooses to continue doing so after Ive warned them not to. Being room host still allows for that after game at least.
Blocking simply is cheap & very poor sportsmanship plain & simple. Youre basically nullifying the game play for everyone else in mutant mode & everything it is supposed to be by blocking.
There are several reasons I enjoy playing cf, one of them being the challenge, against others & against yourself, constantly trying to pit your skills against that of others & ultimately yourself. And those that practice this kind of behavior take that away & ultimately ruin that entire round for everyone else so while I understand its amusing for the blocker & perhaps those that are being protected, it completely ruins the amusement & fun for the rest of the players that wishes to play fairly and to me thats reason enough for blocking to be looked down upon. And that is why I will not allow it in my game.
And theres a reason Z8 considers it harassment as well, basically for the reasons Ive already stated & why I will kick & report anyone who wants to amuse themselves at the expense of everyone else in the game. As far as Im concerned for anyone that wants to play in the game wheres theres blocking then make your own room, in the description say "blockers welcome" & problem solved for those that really want to have that kind of game play experience. But in my room, no it is not welcome & will not be accepted. -
What i do is go inside the containers wait the blocker become mutated and shoot him so other mutants can come inside. In other words i sacrifice lol and then the blokers and his friends start the QQing and i just keep doing it so after 3-4 times they just stop cuase they know that i will keep shootin to the bloker.
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Three possible solutions:
1. Enable vote kick, allows people to kick the blockers, as well as removes hackers.
2. Allow mutants to push other mutants out of the way, possibly through the use of the special ability of Berserkers and Titans.
3. Extend the height of shipping containers so that another mutant is able to jump over the blocker.
Now, all of these ideas solve the problem at hand, but poses more problems. The first solution is probably ideal, although I doubt Z8 would actually implement it. The scond idea, if tuned correctly would work quite well, although it might change the flow of gameplay a bit more. The third strategy is probably the worst, since it still enables two or more people to block. Even so, it'll be hard to find two people willing to block, and two people open up a plethora of new areas that can be blocked off.
At any rate, you should try to take preventative measures to stop it. Either position yourself as a human IN the same area, get infected and kill the camper, or position yourself a distance away to allow you to shoot the blocker.
i think method 2 would be the best option, kind of like make it so after gaining some momentum just run through them, but at slower speed make them solid.B3LC3BV wrote:What i do is go inside the containers wait the blocker become mutated and shoot him so other mutants can come inside. In other words i sacrifice lol and then the blokers and his friends start the QQing and i just keep doing it so after 3-4 times they just stop cuase they know that i will keep shootin to the bloker.
nice idea, i'll try that the next game there's a blocker. -
I agree that somthing should be don on posable way is to have an in game system to take a screen shot and send it with comment from the gam set it so iof you dont have a screen shot you cant send a hack report. also in these mm games dont allow handgranades smoke bombs or flash granades. I use xfire for screen shots of hackers then after games I report them with tim server and map. it seems that it takes the people at z8 weeks to look at the reports they need moor help.
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The best way to deal with blockers in Mutation Mode is Screen Shot of players list + Save Replay, and just send them along when you report them for harassment. For that's what it is, and that's how it gets judged by GMs. There is no benifit in blocking your fellow players other then to annoy them.
The same goes for those who throw grenades at their fellow soldiers before the infection starts. If a soldier turns mutant, he will always gets the full 2000 HP, whether he's been naded once, four times, or not at all. And if you're a mutant, it doesn't matter if a soldier has 1 or 100 HP, 1 direct hit will turn him. So, throwing grenades at your fellow players before the infection starts only ticks people off, but gives you no benefit what so ever later in the game. So this too is seen as a form of harassment and will be judged as such by GMs.
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Blocking is still an ongoing problem and has actually gotten worse along with other issues such as glitching and hacking. I made a new thread that addresses each one of these problems in good detail titled - BLOCKING & GLITCHING & HACKING on the rise again - DO SOMETHING Z8
In it I ask z8 for a response to let us know something..anything. That they care, that they are aware of the problems and are going to at least attempt to do something about it...
http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=49457
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