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Extra option hacking report system for afk botters
Hi,
As everyone knows, this game contains a lot of afk botters so these people get some advantage in terms of exp or ep. These people are usually in hmx and hero mode which isn't that big of a deal because they're not causing a disadvantage. However, when I recently started playing zombie mode a little bit more, I found a lot of these afk botters in either zm extra, zm ranked or normal zm. It is not possible to save replays in these modes so it's basically impossible te report these people here. I heard that the hacking report system doesn't work for afk botters.
That's why I would suggest an extra option for afk botters in the hacking report system. This should make it easier for gm's to check afk botters specifically. This would be a very good addition because those afk botters in zombie mode do actually give you a disadvantage (less players = less damage).
Let me know what the opinion are on this one.
Peace out,
Snizzle
As everyone knows, this game contains a lot of afk botters so these people get some advantage in terms of exp or ep. These people are usually in hmx and hero mode which isn't that big of a deal because they're not causing a disadvantage. However, when I recently started playing zombie mode a little bit more, I found a lot of these afk botters in either zm extra, zm ranked or normal zm. It is not possible to save replays in these modes so it's basically impossible te report these people here. I heard that the hacking report system doesn't work for afk botters.
That's why I would suggest an extra option for afk botters in the hacking report system. This should make it easier for gm's to check afk botters specifically. This would be a very good addition because those afk botters in zombie mode do actually give you a disadvantage (less players = less damage).
Let me know what the opinion are on this one.
Peace out,
Snizzle
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Yeah I remember reporting an afk bot/auto click in my void games and no actions was taken lol
The GMs just dont care to banned afk bot/auto click, if you take a quick glance at the weekly or monthly exp gain the top 100 is literally just all 24/7 farm exp bot -
First off, great suggestion Snizzle! AFK botting is done on a much bigger scale than actual hacking and should be punished for disrupting gameplay.5StarsSpins wrote: »Yeah I remember reporting an afk bot/auto click in my void games and no actions was taken lol
The GMs just dont care to banned afk bot/auto click, if you take a quick glance at the weekly or monthly exp gain the top 100 is literally just all 24/7 farm exp bot
That's no argument to proof the GM's don't care to ban AFK bots. Considering they are unable to enter the room and no one in side the room bothers to report others, they go unpunished for using it. Players using a AFK bot that get caught in the act and are reported with a gameplay will get punished. -
I Agree with Snizzle.
The AFK botters should be punished easily as hackers by using in game report.
AFK botters cause some Mutant games to finish fast (For example: in Mutant Escape AFK botters boost up the first mutants by letting them get killed and then the first mutants get up to "Berserk" mutant which makes them already strong in first stages of the maps) same goes to any Mutant mode.
AFK botters also get the change of doing some events done easily (For example: ZP storm which is currently on going, Mutant escape maps which are in the battle pass missions)
Also mentioning that in ZM Extra hosts have to wait till the room is full to avoid afk botters to join and afk in the game while the users who started already have to do all the work from the start of the game till the end unless they leave the game. -
First off, great suggestion Snizzle! AFK botting is done on a much bigger scale than actual hacking and should be punished for disrupting gameplay.
That's no argument to proof the GM's don't care to ban AFK bots. Considering they are unable to enter the room and no one in side the room bothers to report others, they go unpunished for using it. Players using a AFK bot that get caught in the act and are reported with a gameplay will get punished.
Can you stop sucking up to the GMs? Everything you say sounds so fake. I hope the gms never pick you -
First off, great suggestion Snizzle! AFK botting is done on a much bigger scale than actual hacking and should be punished for disrupting gameplay.
That's no argument to proof the GM's don't care to ban AFK bots. Considering they are unable to enter the room and no one in side the room bothers to report others, they go unpunished for using it. Players using a AFK bot that get caught in the act and are reported with a gameplay will get punished.
How do you know they're getting punished?
Are you second account of GM?
Actions taken against a account can't be revealed as they said it in everywhere therefore you can't say "WILL GET PUNISHED".
How many times have you reported a macro users and afk bots?
If you reported an afk bot, have you checked his profile 1 month or more later?
If you haven't done all of above, then there is no point in entering the discussion just want people to see you're active on forum.
This comment made me laugh, anyway, cya. -
Can you stop sucking up to the GMs? Everything you say sounds so fake. I hope the gms never pick you
Explain why I'm "sucking up to the GM's"? I'm just stating facts here. GM's will not enter farmer's room to see if anyone is using a AFK bot. The use of AFK bots is reportable and bannable, that has been mentioned numerous times before both on this forum and Discord. So yes, according to the rules, if you report a player using a AFK bot he/she will get punished.
How do you know they're getting punished?
Are you second account of GM?
Actions taken against a account can't be revealed as they said it in everywhere therefore you can't say "WILL GET PUNISHED".
How many times have you reported a macro users and afk bots?
If you reported an afk bot, have you checked his profile 1 month or more later?
If you haven't done all of above, then there is no point in entering the discussion just want people to see you're active on forum.
This comment made me laugh, anyway, cya.
Well sorry to grind your gears. But happy to have made you laugh. The rules state that a AFK bot is reportable and bannable, so my guess is if you properly report players doing so, they will eventually get punished. You are right, I shouldn't have said with that much confidence that players will get punished for doing so, but I believe that when a person makes rules, he will enforce those rules.
To be honest, AFK bots became such a common problem in CF West, I most times don't even bother reporting them anymore, as do many others as for as I know. I do think the rules for AFK bot (farming) should be enforced more drastically, but as you mentioned, the report history will probably become too big for the GM's to keep up. Maybe a better solution would be implementing strict rules when it comes to AFK bots, for example, a month ban on first offense. But guess we're going a bit off topic from Snizzle's suggestion, would love to discuss it with you in more detail on Discord though! -
First off, great suggestion Snizzle! AFK botting is done on a much bigger scale than actual hacking and should be punished for disrupting gameplay.
That's no argument to proof the GM's don't care to ban AFK bots. Considering they are unable to enter the room and no one in side the room bothers to report others, they go unpunished for using it. Players using a AFK bot that get caught in the act and are reported with a gameplay will get punished.
It just feels like nothing is being done. When EP per minute over the weekend was a thing people would farm SIM bot or HMX for free EXP/EP over night.
@BOOOOOOOOOOOOOT FARM 24/7" or "SLEEP OPEN BOT 24/7" or something of that line in almost each of the channel, so yeah it feels like nothing is being done. It's more excessive this month because of the ZP storm than the previous 2 months. Then of course there's are the ZM ones for ZM extra/void -
Explain why I'm "sucking up to the GM's"? I'm just stating facts here. GM's will not enter farmer's room to see if anyone is using a AFK bot. The use of AFK bots is reportable and bannable, that has been mentioned numerous times before both on this forum and Discord. So yes, according to the rules, if you report a player using a AFK bot he/she should get punished.
Well sorry to grind your gears. But happy to have made you laugh. The rules state that a AFK bot is reportable and bannable, so my guess is if you properly report players doing so, they will eventually get punished. You are right, I shouldn't have said with that much confidence that players will get punished for doing so, but I believe that when a person makes rules, he will enforce those rules.
To be honest, AFK bots became such a common problem in CF West, I most times don't even bother reporting them anymore, as do many others as for as I know. I do think the rules for AFK bot (farming) should be enforced more drastically, but as you mentioned, the report history will probably become too big for the GM's to keep up. Maybe a better solution would be implementing strict rules when it comes to AFK bots, for example, a month ban on first offense. But guess we're going a bit off topic from Snizzle's suggestion, would love to discuss it with you in more detail on Discord though!
We all know what CF doing against hackers and what CF is doing against macro/bot users but I'm in doubt you know it. If had followed my steps as I mentioned above , you would've known if they're getting punished or not. Please y'all don't get me wrong, I don't want to say CF is conniving at macro and afk bot users.
If they're really really getting punished, then why they still keep using afk bot without any doubt? Don't they think they will be banned? %60 of players are using afk bot. If CF keep banning them, game becomes empty and it'd be hard to find games. If you say what do you mean??? Just head to channel 1 of any server and see if they're using bot or not.
If they were afraid of using afk bot, they wouldn't have written "COME AFK BOT 24/7" on their room name.
Anyway, I don't want to keep talking about that because we have some limits what we can say or not
Summary: Again, I don't mention GMs are conniving at bot users. -
5StarsSpins wrote: »
It just feels like nothing is being done. When EP per minute over the weekend was a thing people would farm SIM bot or HMX for free EXP/EP over night.
@BOOOOOOOOOOOOOT FARM 24/7" or "SLEEP OPEN BOT 24/7" or something of that line in almost each of the channel, so yeah it feels like nothing is being done. It's more excessive this month because of the ZP storm than the previous 2 months. Then of course there's are the ZM ones for ZM extra/void
I understand how you feel. As I mentioned earlier, I see so many AFK bots in CF these days I don't even bother reporting them anymore.
We all know what CF doing against hackers and what CF is doing against macro/bot users but I'm in doubt you know it. If you use your had followed my steps as I mentioned above , you would've known if they're getting punished or not. Please y'all don't get me wrong, I don't want to say CF is conniving at macro and afk bot users.
If they're really really getting punished, then why they still keep using afk bot without any doubt? Don't they think they will be banned? %60 of players are using afk bot. If CF keep banning them, game becomes empty and it'd be hard to find games. If you say what do you mean??? Just head to channel 1 of any server and see if they're using bot or not.
If they were afraid of using afk bot, they wouldn't have written "COME AFK BOT 24/7" on their room name.
Anyway, I don't want to keep talking about that because we have some limits what we can say or not
Summary: Again, I don't mention GMs are conniving at bot users.
I understand what you mean, the GM's probably don't turn a blind eye to the AFK bots but simply don't have time to review them all. Your point in regards to the amount of players that use AFK bots is interesting too, enforcing the rules more strictly might lead to a decline in players.
I think there is no perfect solution to the issues we currently have with the AFK bots. Other than to add a extremely advanced system that recognizes keystrokes and based on this kicks people due to inactivity, which I've never seen any game do before. To add to this, a lot of events in CF are based on play time at this moment, logically, considering they want to keep players in game. These events cause a increase in AFK bots too. -
alkjlkjdfjsa wrote: »Hi,
As everyone knows, this game contains a lot of afk botters so these people get some advantage in terms of exp or ep. These people are usually in hmx and hero mode which isn't that big of a deal because they're not causing a disadvantage. However, when I recently started playing zombie mode a little bit more, I found a lot of these afk botters in either zm extra, zm ranked or normal zm. It is not possible to save replays in these modes so it's basically impossible te report these people here. I heard that the hacking report system doesn't work for afk botters.
That's why I would suggest an extra option for afk botters in the hacking report system. This should make it easier for gm's to check afk botters specifically. This would be a very good addition because those afk botters in zombie mode do actually give you a disadvantage (less players = less damage).
Let me know what the opinion are on this one.
Peace out,
Snizzle
+1 This is a really good suggestion. I can say for certain, that none of the afk-botters I have reported, have been banned. So I mostly stopped to report them, except in ranked-ZM.
I know one thing that the GM's have defended themselves with, is that it's forbidden to use bots, but it isn't forbidden for players to just don't play and act like an AFK bot. Therefore it is hard for them to distinguish the bots sometimes. But I have reported players that are clearly bots, but received no confirmation and have seen the same players in game later.JackPain (Sweden) -
You are right, I shouldn't have said with that much confidence that players will get punished for doing so, but I believe that when a person makes rules, he will enforce those rules.
After reading the Terms of Use more carefully it seems like a GM him/herself can decide if he/she may or may not take action against a player using a AFK bot. So they actually have no duty, except a moral one, to take action against a AFK bot, seems odd..Painanator wrote: »
+1 This is a really good suggestion. I can say for certain, that none of the afk-botters I have reported, have been banned. So I mostly stopped to report them, except in ranked-ZM.
I know one thing that the GM's have defended themselves with, is that it's forbidden to use bots, but it isn't forbidden for players to just don't play and act like an AFK bot. Therefore it is hard for them to distinguish the bots sometimes. But I have reported players that are clearly bots, but received no confirmation and have seen the same players in game later.
Understandable, but it's not that good of a argument, the bots are indeed super obvious most of the times. -
This suggestion is pretty good but there'll be huge report history if it comes. So this will take too long to get feedback if he's banned or not
Not really true to be honest. Yes, people stop reporting them now because they know they won't get punished. However, when the option is added, It gives a clearer view for the gms of who is aimbotting/walling or who is afk botting. This would encourage more people to report (which will give more reports yes) but because of the clearer view, it should be easier and faster for the gm's to punish them.
Not to mention that this option could reduce the amount of afk botters drastically if they see the option and they could think that they risk their account for it. It's like how less obvious aimbotters came in the game when the hacking report system was introduced. I only see this as a win-win situation so I really hope the gm's are reading this and can give feedback about it themselves. -
Just my 5 cents
1.The current in game report system is for hacks only and issue perm bans,for af/k botting usually the bans are 3 days,for people who keep doing it over and over again the most "harsh punishment" I ever seen was 2 weeks.and it should stay this way,botting shouldn't be permanent offense and therefore shouldn't be added as extra to the in game system we have now.
2.If the Game masters of this game wasn't making like 99.9999% of their events to make the players to be bond to the game then we wouldn't have such a problems from the very begin.
3.I fully agree with Alduinn,like half of the game are botting,like what exactly you want them to do?!ban everyone?!
4.The argument of saying "they farm exp/gp" is kinda nonesense,since they actually farming the weeknd rewards (2 hours crates,ep,battle pass lvl's,zm weapons etc').but gosh exp?
**And no I don't botting myself,and never did,I have no problem even if a GM came in and checked if I ever was and comment here.I only don't like the "tone" of the people on this thread.**
I would've give +1 ,because good suggestion,maybe the best suggestion in the last year,but i'll give it -1 because it for the wrong causes,people who send dozens of reports a day and then constantly stalk the profiles of the people they reported & just for the sake of be content with screw off other people accounts...sorry,but it just wrong
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[USER="23452201"]adigagever92[/USER] You are wrong on a few things here. Let's go by them 1 by 1.
1. The Terms and Conditions state: 'Z8Games reserves the right to take appropriate action against any user or user account that has used any malicious third-party software or game hacking tools within its games or website.' which means that a third party program to anti idle or auto ready actually could cause an account to get permanently blocked. Everyone accepting these terms should be aware of this and thus could risk a permanent ban when afk botting.
2. This is not a reason to afk bot. Those events are made to keep players playing the game. People using afk bots and receiving rewards cause of this are violating the Terms and therefore it's not fair towards the players actually doing the events.
3. Yes, as a start ban people. That's like saying 'Yea but everybody is aimbotting, crashing the rooms and throwing airstrikes, what's the problem?'. The problem is that you're causing an unfair game with these kind of programs and thus these people should be eliminated as much as possible. Also, 50% of the game? Really...
4. This argument is certainly not nonsense. I would love you to check out Europe Delta channel 1 and look at the names of the rooms. Furtermore, I specifically mention botters in zombie mode which do cause a big disadvantage for other users and they actually gain rewards with it (zm ranks, lots of exp, weapon pieces, jewels and name it). Due to these disadvantages for other players the afk botters should be punished.
Also, an option to report people in game for afk botters wouldn't compromise people farming anything in private rooms because they should simply trust eachother and therefore not report eachother. However, when people start afk botting in public, they should risk a ban because people can report these people.
Thanks for the feedback though. -
alkjlkjdfjsa wrote: »[USER="23452201"]adigagever92[/USER] You are wrong on a few things here. Let's go by them 1 by 1.
1. The Terms and Conditions state: 'Z8Games reserves the right to take appropriate action against any user or user account that has used any malicious third-party software or game hacking tools within its games or website.' which means that a third party program to anti idle or auto ready actually could cause an account to get permanently blocked. Everyone accepting these terms should be aware of this and thus could risk a permanent ban when afk botting.
2. This is not a reason to afk bot. Those events are made to keep players playing the game. People using afk bots and receiving rewards cause of this are violating the Terms and therefore it's not fair towards the players actually doing the events.
3. Yes, as a start ban people. That's like saying 'Yea but everybody is aimbotting, crashing the rooms and throwing airstrikes, what's the problem?'. The problem is that you're causing an unfair game with these kind of programs and thus these people should be eliminated as much as possible. Also, 50% of the game? Really...
4. This argument is certainly not nonsense. I would love you to check out Europe Delta channel 1 and look at the names of the rooms. Furtermore, I specifically mention botters in zombie mode which do cause a big disadvantage for other users and they actually gain rewards with it (zm ranks, lots of exp, weapon pieces, jewels and name it). Due to these disadvantages for other players the afk botters should be punished.
Also, an option to report people in game for afk botters wouldn't compromise people farming anything in private rooms because they should simply trust eachother and therefore not report eachother. However, when people start afk botting in public, they should risk a ban because people can report these people.
Thanks for the feedback though.
Thank you for your feedback as well my dear brother.
"The terms and conditions" smh
I just noticed you said "the terms' like x100 times
The terms also state that "only people above 18 can play/account sharing isn't allowed/vpn isn't allowed/farm zp isn't allowed/no hack"
And yet?
1.we see lots of kids in game
2.[mod]andrew shared his account with his wife amber/[mod]jessy shared her account with her husband kgb/even Danah shared her acc she even posted a screen in the technical sections few years ago.
3.lots of people are using vpn for change their location to germany for get better free offers for farm zp...to be honest ,there is not such a thing like "legit collector account" ,everyone with more than 14 pages of weapons is either hacker or thief.
4.there were few GM's like few years ago,that unbanned perm banned accounts.
5.there was a mod who caught playing with hack(Nonnen or something)
6.[mod]able and Golden-light honorable ribbon was restored.
so?all still play
even staff are not 100% legit,I don't think there is even 1 single player who is fully "pure angel" and haven't broke the rules at least 50 times in their 10 years in game.
The "Terms" concept is very flexible...they decide what stay and what not -
1. Game isn't 18+ but 16+
2. I have no clue about the account sharing because I never saw any evidence so I can't really say whether this is true or not.
3. Using vpn to get zp is bannable, people do get chargebacked for this. However, this needs evidence and to get evidence you need a report and obviously people aren't reporting themselves.
4. No clue about this one. No evidence seen so can't say.
5. No clue about this one. No evidence seen so can't say.
6. No clue about this one. No evidence seen so can't say.
However, these points still shouldn't make it allowed to use any hacks or third party programs. Maybe the people you mentioned got punished for their actions in some way. Who knows? Some rules might be taken with a bit of salt and might be flexible but some are just die hard rules (cheating and 3rd party programs for example) -
Shadow ,oh ok man.i write the last post for the guy who tagged me (snizzle ),because he used the terms as his main point and based his whole post on it by use this concept few times...and not for start off topic talk out of my post about random claims that may lead to thread closure of a great topic...anyways ,sorry for bothering.
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jeah.
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this guy is afk botting in ranked modes since 3 or 4 seasons. he made me loss a lot of games and earned a report ticket. his fc... spinbot is so clearly a third party programm. but still. 3 or 4 ranked seasons and like 5 / 6/ 7/ report tickets later, he still own HSR and didnt get any penalty. -
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1>> Zombie mode
I see there is no damge in that there is person or 2 bot in the room and the reason is that anyone can finish any zombie map 1 using special weapons except as we know the temple, titan, void and extra. but u know ppl like me and u We choise the team before Joined, and if we hade a bot, we can out and kick him and wait until the team is complete
2>> Mutante mode// F.F.A
Everyone knows bots
no damage because they gives us free kills
3>> S&D
we can kick them
4>> TDM
we can kick them
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