Crossfire Pro League Poll / Ideas
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Hey guys, in an effort to bring something new and interesting to the competitive scene, I am thinking about starting an Invite Only pro league for CF NA and wanted to get some public opinion before I pursue anything further.
1 - Given the current number of active teams is 10-16 how many teams would you like to see invited to the Pro League? (I was thinking 4 for the first season)
2 - Would players justifiably pay league fees for a Pro League (If so how much per player would be an appropriate fee)
3 - How long should the season run for? (My thoughts are 8-12 weeks with a LAN finals every other season)
4 - How large should roster be? (My thoughts are 5 starters and 2 subs, with 1 change allowed every 4 weeks)
Do you guys like this exampled structure I have created for the opening season:
Season 1 CFNA Pro League
Stage 1 Qualifiers: Invite 4 existing top teams and take top 2 finalists from an EGL and WCGS bracket event generating 8 teams total.
Stage 2 Relegations: the 8 Selected teams would fight for 4 Pro spots in a 2 week league structured event. The lower 4 would be moved back to "Open" events
Stage 3 Pro League Regular Season: for 6 weeks teams would play 1 match a week vs another pro team until the seasons end.
Stage 4 Pro League Playoffs: At the end of the 6 weeks, teams would play in seeded single bracket based on their win loss record in the regular season. Prizes would go to the top 3 teams.
Stage 5 Move up / downs: At the end of each season after looking at the number of active teams, we will decide how many to allow in pro for the next season, and the top 3 would be guaranteed there spot for at least 1 more season. Meaning in Season 1 only 1 team would have to fight to remain pro for the next season.
Stage 6: Continue cycle until we reach a number of teams that would call for any other distinction other than Pro and Open.
Notes: yes this is somewhat similar to how the ESEA cycle functions just on a smaller scale for CF. I think this format though will provide players with more of goal oriented approach, now having to fight to be considered a Pro CFNA player, rather than just showing up, placing top 8 and saying you are pro.
This is a League I plan on starting to be a filler until CF ESPORTS comes in, and may continue it on depending on how the community receives, and I plan to use the existing events, as the "Open" events for now. Mainly just want to get some feedback before I get the ball rolling.
1 - Given the current number of active teams is 10-16 how many teams would you like to see invited to the Pro League? (I was thinking 4 for the first season)
2 - Would players justifiably pay league fees for a Pro League (If so how much per player would be an appropriate fee)
3 - How long should the season run for? (My thoughts are 8-12 weeks with a LAN finals every other season)
4 - How large should roster be? (My thoughts are 5 starters and 2 subs, with 1 change allowed every 4 weeks)
Do you guys like this exampled structure I have created for the opening season:
Season 1 CFNA Pro League
Stage 1 Qualifiers: Invite 4 existing top teams and take top 2 finalists from an EGL and WCGS bracket event generating 8 teams total.
Stage 2 Relegations: the 8 Selected teams would fight for 4 Pro spots in a 2 week league structured event. The lower 4 would be moved back to "Open" events
Stage 3 Pro League Regular Season: for 6 weeks teams would play 1 match a week vs another pro team until the seasons end.
Stage 4 Pro League Playoffs: At the end of the 6 weeks, teams would play in seeded single bracket based on their win loss record in the regular season. Prizes would go to the top 3 teams.
Stage 5 Move up / downs: At the end of each season after looking at the number of active teams, we will decide how many to allow in pro for the next season, and the top 3 would be guaranteed there spot for at least 1 more season. Meaning in Season 1 only 1 team would have to fight to remain pro for the next season.
Stage 6: Continue cycle until we reach a number of teams that would call for any other distinction other than Pro and Open.
Notes: yes this is somewhat similar to how the ESEA cycle functions just on a smaller scale for CF. I think this format though will provide players with more of goal oriented approach, now having to fight to be considered a Pro CFNA player, rather than just showing up, placing top 8 and saying you are pro.
This is a League I plan on starting to be a filler until CF ESPORTS comes in, and may continue it on depending on how the community receives, and I plan to use the existing events, as the "Open" events for now. Mainly just want to get some feedback before I get the ball rolling.
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Well as many as possible, isnt the goal of a pro league. Obviously everyone can fight to make it in, but there has to be a limit to who can actually be called pro. That way the title holds prestige and meaning, just as it does to play in for example a CSGO major.
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Sounds good and $5-10 per player seems fair. This would definitely interest top tier teams to be more active and give them something to play for, I hope to see this in action ASAP. This would also help the other leagues get more teams to participate to fight for the placement spots.
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Active teams (10-16) are you only talking about NA teams?
1: Change "Invite League" to Invite Leagues - 1 for NA and UK and you have my support
2: Players probably would pay, but it would have to be quite cheap to start off with, $2-5 per player but not 100% sure. At least until your organisation, and the competitive scene pick up a bit. ESEA charge like $9 a month I think. I think for a "Professional league" it makes sense to have a fee.
3: Ok the 8-12 weeks is good but the prizepool will be too small for that length of time, especially when lans are involved. Just something to think about, but something the NA side might just have to deal with (need to be sponsored by z8games) To be honest I don't think you guys should even be thinking about lans at this stage of competitive (since this version has nothing at this present time)
4: 7 players, 5 starters and 2 subs, 1 change allowed every 2 weeks to start off with - my opinion.
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Good ideas. Although this is the excuse they need to do no work and let you do it for them. Although I'm sure no one cares as long as we have change and a good prizepool for one (myself included) This needs to be a combined effort. I wish the MODS would have a direct line to the GMS, have these discussions with them, and actually get listened to; as you have experience, knowledge and good suggestions. At the end of the day, if smilegate deliver what was promised, competitions for the NA and UK servers, with good prizepools and different divisions, then I have no complaints. Sometimes I wish we could just wait and let them deliver, or let things die and not drag out further if Z8games are too slow to take action.
There's 2 sides to a coin:
on 1 side we want Z8games to deliver what they've promised
but on the other side maybe we should do it ourselves as a community because when have they proved what they can do. The best we've had is ESG and that was run by MODS like yourself who were paid by them to run things.
They've claimed they have "plans" so I'm interested.
You have plans for lans though (which is great for NA) and I'm pretty sure you want to do this under ANIXIA and for NA only.
I know that no one gives two shts about the UK but that doesn't mean I won't speak my mind. Everyone just wants things to improve (just irritates me that the community has to take charge of things), you have the option of doing this for the UK as well through your own organisation. As you already know the location, timezone and ping is an issue and it's better to have things separate for UK and NA. It will be interesting to see how things work out, with ANIXIA and Z8games (what you both bring to the table and your relationship with them)
Hopefully we see changes in competitive on this version as a whole.
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Im actually am thinking of doing divisions for NA / UK / EU / ES / AL (BR) all run the same way with a regional pro finals lan as well. NA is just a starting point.
Fair enough, I understand how NA is 1st priority and the starting point. I just hope that UK is 2nd priority at least out of all the versions SG West now own. Brazil, Espanol and Europe are already ahead of the NA version. I hope this version is catered to first, NA servers and UK soon after.
There are issues though, like how UK is separated from EU due to this version. If the UK was to have lans, it would only makes sense if the majority of the players per team had to be from the UK, not other EU countries. Maybe a better option would be to just allow UK in the EU lans... (that you eventually run) but then again we're not allowed on that version (and excluded from ESL over there) wish Z8 didn't have to make things to complicated. -
JoshBritish wrote: »Fair enough, I understand how NA is 1st priority and the starting point. I just hope that UK is 2nd priority at least out of all the versions SG West now own. Brazil, Espanol and Europe are already ahead of the NA version. I hope this version is catered to first, NA servers and UK soon after.
My main concern is that having UK open and Pro isnt viable unless their is at least 12 teams. Which idk if there is? I could be wrong though, to be fair you follow UK CF more than I. -
There could be 12 teams, if they had the reason to play. There are 'retired' or 'inactive' teams that would play if they had the incentive (like always) The problem is that most the teams are European, it's a complicated situation but EU players able to play here but UK players aren't allowed on CF EU, it's just mind blowing. I'm putting lans out of my mind as they're something for the far future for the UK, as we're split from the rest of Europe due to z8games. The funny thing is that CF EU is getting EU lans this year but I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to get involved
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Imo 50$ a team registration fee. with first place getting all the money
Carbon: $50 dollars/team x 8 teams = $400 - $100 (to DavidLive) -$50 (entry) -$50 (doop) = $200 profit/tournament.
Doop: -$10 (entry) +$50 (tutor) = $40
Everyone other team: -$50(entry) + $0 = -$50
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lol, not to be pessimistic but it's true that Carbon would take all the money that people pay to enter if only 1st place gets prizes. There should obviously be prizes for Finalists (1st and 2nd) and the 3rd place match. might play for fun and practise with my UK team sometimes.
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