Clarifying the Armor Situation
In today's match Roth accidentally wore his armor for the first two rounds, and we ended up losing the first round. The reason Roth streams is to promote the growth of our team and this community.
The final score ended up being 10 - 6 and if you want to calculate how many rounds are lost when we wear armor you could say the score would be 9 - 7 or 8 - 8.
I spoke with the guys from Youn9 and before consulting with an ESG admin they told us that they would not dispute and did not think it was a big conflict. We complimented each other on our performances and wished each other good luck in the playoffs.
I just want to clarify that we do not get special treatment from z8games, ESG, ESL and we are here to help the community. Instead of trying to pick up all our flaws and try and bring us down how about we come together and make Crossfire a better thing? Whats the point of being a hater when you can live life with a positive attitude?
The final score ended up being 10 - 6 and if you want to calculate how many rounds are lost when we wear armor you could say the score would be 9 - 7 or 8 - 8.
I spoke with the guys from Youn9 and before consulting with an ESG admin they told us that they would not dispute and did not think it was a big conflict. We complimented each other on our performances and wished each other good luck in the playoffs.
I just want to clarify that we do not get special treatment from z8games, ESG, ESL and we are here to help the community. Instead of trying to pick up all our flaws and try and bring us down how about we come together and make Crossfire a better thing? Whats the point of being a hater when you can live life with a positive attitude?
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Oh but with character mods not being allowed, aka shadows, You would forfeit every round.
I agree to an extent. It seems like teams sometimes rely on a team not disputing or getting a break from an admin, or stretching the rules. Any admin should take action on you for breaking the rules on stream as they did to my team in ESG Winter Series even though the match in question like yours was no disputed. Rules are rules regardless of if the other team doesn't care that you didn't follow them.
Just be careful when stretching the rules, I think you guys are a great team, but when I see things like this and that caliber1 DC overuse go without any action taken because "you would have won anyway", I have to say thats a bad admin. -
I appreciate the professionalism in addressing things. It's nice.
As I just told ERICK, I talked to Youn6 man, and they just were glad to play one of the best teams in the game. They don't care who wins.
What I care about is rectifying rules which need fixed, to better improve my (and others') experience with ESG.
On another note, the fact of the matter is that you do receive special treatment. And, that's okay. People are human. That said, I don't think you received special treatment in this situation, but I believe that the reasoning behind the decision-making process was flawed.
Does that make sense? -
Everyone relax...
"Seriously ESG this is just bull****"
Nothing has been final yet about anything..
The issues at hand will be discussed and proper action will be taken. Until then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrqjqyH4ex0
Overruled https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU -
ISnipeFast- wrote: »The reason Roth streams is to promote the growth of our team and this community.
If you want the community to grow you have to take responsibility on what happened, not just because they aren't going to dispute it's not a big deal. If you all lost because of that I bet you all would raise hell but seeing as you still of this point get the win. You'll just publicly apologize and feel there was no harm done. Just doesn't make sense to me, and you all knew there was rules broken that's why you told Roth to close his stream. If it wasn't streamed you wouldn't of even publicly apologized. -
If you want the community to grow you have to take responsibility on what happened, not just because they aren't going to dispute it's not a big deal. If you all lost because of that I bet you all would raise hell but seeing as you still of this point get the win. You'll just publicly apologize and feel there was no harm done. Just doesn't make sense to me, and you all knew there was rules broken that's why you told Roth to close his stream. If it wasn't streamed you wouldn't of even publicly apologized.
Great oberservation Pointdexter!
Stop trolling and stop the unnecessary remarks by randoms who have no say whatsoever regarding the thread by OP (with, might I add, no distinguishment from a fresh account).
If you're going to cry over spilled milk go cry to mother nature about the rain today and possibly have some more credibility.
We had good games against Aeonk (formerly known) and it was a great showcase of two good teams with very good knowledge to be gathered for further matches. No one asked anyone to act as the Devil's advocate so until then match us and find something else to cry about because quite frankly what's done is done and it is what it is.
Thread will be closed if this counter-logic continues.
P.S - What we did or didn't do doesn't affect other team's upcoming matches, go vent your frustration out on Tinder to randoms who probably won't give it up anyways.
P.P.S - Rules don't need to be 'fixed' when a couple people post malevolent things on a thread that was supposed to rectify the 'public affairs'. You sign up for a league and agree to the rules which clearly states admins can change the rules at any given time.
In conclusion,
People make mistakes and we feel it is in our best interests to post it for the community, ergo 'airing our dirty laundry'
MALTE -
You sign up for a league and agree to the rules which clearly states admins can change the rules at any given time.
MALTE
I think this rule is stupid. It should be "Admins can change a rule at any time, but before the rule is implemented all players and participants will have prior notification to prevent any sort of bias influence over a dispute. Furthermore if there is a disagreement over how to interpret a rule all admins should decide together the appropriate interpretation not just 1, to once again prevent bias to teams they may favor in a given situation."
I think having that rule changed to this, would make it more effective, and prevent admins more from seeming intentionally or unintentionally biased in a disputed situation, because when an admin uses the reasoning for a dispute call as simply "I can change the rules when I please" it seems like that admin is using their authority in a less than professional manner. So I would suggest ESG come up with a more solidified and clear way of handling rule interpretations and also getting rid of or re-wording the rule that is abused most often. -
Ellustrial wrote: »Your condescending hubris is astounding for someone so stupid.
Said by someone who constantly tries to use words he thinks will impress others.
You're probably one of the most condescending forumers, you should really get off your high horse. -
I think this rule is stupid. It should be "Admins can change a rule at any time, but before the rule is implemented all players and participants will have prior notification to prevent any sort of bias influence over a dispute. Furthermore if there is a disagreement over how to interpret a rule all admins should decide together the appropriate interpretation not just 1, to once again prevent bias to teams they may favor in a given situation."
Sometimes there needs to be an immediate, game time decision. All administrators are not always online to make such a decision together. Any league reserves the right to modify the rules as they deem necessary, for this very reason. ESEA does it. MLG even writes that administrators may "interpret" the rules in order to make these decisions.
We deducted the rounds as it was written in our rules. No bias influence was shown. I do agree that it is not the best way of tending to this situation and it will be rectified upon the next event. -
[MOD]Polleus wrote: »Sometimes there needs to be an immediate, game time decision. All administrators are not always online to make such a decision together. Any league reserves the right to modify the rules as they deem necessary, for this very reason. ESEA does it. MLG even writes that administrators may "interpret" the rules in order to make these decisions.
We deducted the rounds as it was written in our rules. No bias influence was shown. I do agree that it is not the best way of tending to this situation and it will be rectified upon the next event.
I have no issue with 1 person interpreting the rules (Unless its someone I believe consistently makes bad administrative decisions). I just think the rule in mention is very flawed and easy for an admin who might be very biased to abuse. I am not even saying that is the case for this situation, I just think this rule is very vague and leaves room for an admin to step in and abuse it, so it should be re-worded in a more reasonable matter such as the one I posted. That is because if you say "Any admin has the right to modify the rules at any time" one admin could make a very biased and unfair call within the confines of your rule set, which to me makes that rule poorly written. I had that same issue arises when admins under me in OCG were making bad interpretations because they could, because the rule set allowed them to, even if their call was not a very good interpretation. I am very critical about rule sets since I have had to write many before for OCG / CGL / CFCL / My own other events, and will be administrating and helping with NESL CF events. I hope you guys are very critical of your rule set before the CFS qualifiers, because the disputes will be high, and if your rule set has room for being abused / manipulated in any way by players or staff, I can tell it is very likely to happen. That being said, I do respect the effort you put into it Polleus, I just think your judgement calls / how you interpret a situation is not always the best response, either way though ESG as a whole has been mostly fair with their handling of disputes
Also for future references. You should ALWAYS deduct rounds at the half in question not after the game. That is because in a first to ten scenario you make it easier for the rule break to work in ACE's favor by giving them a winning half they wouldnt have otherwise had, by taking rounds off at end. The half would have been 4-5 for youngman instead of in ACE's favor, making the second half much different seeing as ACE had a round advantage and was able to leave as soon as they reached ten, whereas if it had been 4-5 youngman may have taken the map. We had this issue arise in OCG, and I made a similar call to what you did, but its actually a less fair call, but I do understand the other team not disputing is good reason to make the call you did. -
I have no issue with 1 person interpreting the rules (Unless its someone I believe consistently makes bad administrative decisions). I just think the rule in mention is very flawed and easy for an admin who might be very biased to abuse. I am not even saying that is the case for this situation, I just think this rule is very vague and leaves room for an admin to step in and abuse it, so it should be re-worded in a more reasonable matter such as the one I posted. That is because if you say "Any admin has the right to modify the rules at any time" one admin could make a very biased and unfair call within the confines of your rule set, which to me makes that rule poorly written. I had that same issue arises when admins under me in OCG were making bad interpretations because they could, because the rule set allowed them to, even if their call was not a very good interpretation. I am very critical about rule sets since I have had to write many before for OCG / CGL / CFCL / My own other events, and will be administrating and helping with NESL CF events. I hope you guys are very critical of your rule set before the CFS qualifiers, because the disputes will be high, and if your rule set has room for being abused / manipulated in any way by players or staff, I can tell it is very likely to happen. That being said, I do respect the effort you put into it Polleus, I just think your judgement calls / how you interpret a situation is not always the best response, either way though ESG as a whole has been mostly fair with their handling of disputes
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Acting as a smart ass won't get you anywhere in life bud, man up accept your teams actions were wrong and ask for the match to be replayed.Great oberservation Pointdexter!
Stop trolling and stop the unnecessary remarks by randoms who have no say whatsoever regarding the thread by OP (with, might I add, no distinguishment from a fresh account).
If you're going to cry over spilled milk go cry to mother nature about the rain today and possibly have some more credibility.
We had good games against Aeonk (formerly known) and it was a great showcase of two good teams with very good knowledge to be gathered for further matches. No one asked anyone to act as the Devil's advocate so until then match us and find something else to cry about because quite frankly what's done is done and it is what it is.
Thread will be closed if this counter-logic continues.
P.S - What we did or didn't do doesn't affect other team's upcoming matches, go vent your frustration out on Tinder to randoms who probably won't give it up anyways.
P.P.S - Rules don't need to be 'fixed' when a couple people post malevolent things on a thread that was supposed to rectify the 'public affairs'. You sign up for a league and agree to the rules which clearly states admins can change the rules at any given time.
In conclusion,
People make mistakes and we feel it is in our best interests to post it for the community, ergo 'airing our dirty laundry'
MALTE -
Acting as a smart ass won't get you anywhere in life bud, man up accept your teams actions were wrong and ask for the match to be replayed.
I would agree with you if the other team had disputed, but since both teams talked and youngman accepted the score and did not ask to replay or dispute, I think Ace Gaming is right to move on. I would agree with you had ACE not been kind enough to talk with the other team regarding the rule breaks though. -
Acting as a smart ass won't get you anywhere in life bud, man up accept your teams actions were wrong and ask for the match to be replayed.
They aren't disputing.
The match meant very little, the other team is still in the tournament.
Damn, Kyle beat me to it - If they had disputed, and been denied by biased ESG admins, I would have agreed with you 100%.
But they didn't, the only people complaining are people who didn't even play. -
all rounds lost while using armor should still count. all rounds won should be either DQ'd or replayed.
clear cut favoritism shown by esg towards bigger named teams. it doesn't matter what the other team says.
all respect lost for ace gaming. bunch of armor noobs. -
I would agree with you if the other team had disputed, but since both teams talked and youngman accepted the score and did not ask to replay or dispute, I think Ace Gaming is right to move on. I would agree with you had ACE not been kind enough to talk with the other team regarding the rule breaks though.
It shouldn't matter if the other team disputed if there is video evidence out there for everyone to see. They want the community to grow, set an example don't try to act like smart asses over the internet. The community will never grow if rules don't apply. They broke the rules the least they can do is offer a rematch to the team. -
I would agree with you if the other team had disputed, but since both teams talked and youngman accepted the score and did not ask to replay or dispute, I think Ace Gaming is right to move on. I would agree with you had ACE not been kind enough to talk with the other team regarding the rule breaks though.
I think it's just a problem of... They won't even admit what they did and accept that it's wrong.
They're incredibly defensive of their integrity on CF, even though they make themselves look like ******bags by acting passive aggressive on the forums even though it's a tiny little error, where if they addressed it and apologized they'd be forgiven.
I swear, everyone on this game is so insecure of what other people think of them. Makes me sick how juvenile the community is. -
They aren't disputing.
The match meant very little, the other team is still in the tournament.
Damn, Kyle beat me to it - If they had disputed, and been denied by biased ESG admins, I would have agreed with you 100%.
But they didn't, the only people complaining are people who didn't even play.
The people complaining are the people noticing Ace Gaming gets treated better than everyone else, rules always get bent for them even dating back to the LifeLine days when LPK won to represent NA in WEM and there was strings pulled for LifeLine to go as well. -
I think it's just a problem of... They won't even admit what they did and accept that it's wrong.
They're incredibly defensive of their integrity on CF, even though they make themselves look like ******bags by acting passive aggressive on the forums even though it's a tiny little error, where if they addressed it and apologized they'd be forgiven.
I swear, everyone on this game is so insecure of what other people think of them. Makes me sick how juvenile the community is.
Its ok koto, I know I am bad and love valid criticisms. I just wish everyone was that way. I think CFNA players tend to think, because they are the decent at this version in scrims and sometime matches, at this point in time they don't have room to improve.
If players could be more critical of themselves, instead of being quick to make excuses, they could actual improve to the level of international top teams in the game. Until then, NA teams who go to international will continue to fall short of beating most teams at internationals. -
On the bright side, at least they didn't pay an admin $100 dollars to let them ghost.
Just goes to show just how ****ing disgusting this community can be. I mean ****ing last week someone made fun of a kids dead relatives. People pay off casters, can't even admit a fault if it jeopardizes their integrity on a video game.
YOU MADE A MISTAKE. APOLOGIZE, ASK TO SET YOUR WRONG DOING STRAIGHT (Replay the map.) THEN MOVE ON.
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