Apology - bertman
There's nothing to say that you guys already don't know. I'm obviously sorry on my behalf that I was involved and didn't say a thing about it. I agree all of the people involved to receive a ban for a however long from future or upcoming events. That's only fair. I can only confirm this happened once while I was in carbon. I have no idea if this was done in last year's Cf stars qualifiers or not. In all honesty, I was not going to let this happen again because it is just plain out wrong. Again, I'm sorry for my involvement and what happened in the wcg qualifier.
I am not planning to stick around and it's not because of this for whoever is wondering. It's a shame to leave on this kind of note, but I hope you all understand that I am truly sorry to my good friend mav (he can decide if he wants to remain friends), Socks, z8games/g4box, the community, and fans.
- bertman
I am not planning to stick around and it's not because of this for whoever is wondering. It's a shame to leave on this kind of note, but I hope you all understand that I am truly sorry to my good friend mav (he can decide if he wants to remain friends), Socks, z8games/g4box, the community, and fans.
- bertman
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bertman_1g wrote: »There's nothing to say that you guys already don't know. I'm obviously sorry on my behalf that I was involved and didn't say a thing about it. I agree all of the people involved to receive a ban for a however long from future or upcoming events. That's only fair. I can only confirm this happened once while I was in carbon. I have no idea if this was done in last year's Cf stars qualifiers or not. In all honesty, I was not going to let this happen again because it is just plain out wrong. Again, I'm sorry for my involvement and what happened in the wcg qualifier.
I am not planning to stick around and it's not because of this for whoever is wondering. It's a shame to leave on this kind of note, but I hope you all understand that I am truly sorry to my good friend mav (he can decide if he wants to remain friends), Socks, z8games/g4box, the community, and fans.
- bertman
ill always be your friend -
Don't worry bro. I already hated your guts before this. I can't possibly hate you more than I already did.bertman_1g wrote: »There's nothing to say that you guys already don't know. I'm obviously sorry on my behalf that I was involved and didn't say a thing about it. I agree all of the people involved to receive a ban for a however long from future or upcoming events. That's only fair. I can only confirm this happened once while I was in carbon. I have no idea if this was done in last year's Cf stars qualifiers or not. In all honesty, I was not going to let this happen again because it is just plain out wrong. Again, I'm sorry for my involvement and what happened in the wcg qualifier.
I am not planning to stick around and it's not because of this for whoever is wondering. It's a shame to leave on this kind of note, but I hope you all understand that I am truly sorry to my good friend mav (he can decide if he wants to remain friends), Socks, z8games/g4box, the community, and fans.
- bertman -
bertman_1g wrote: »There's nothing to say that you guys already don't know. I'm obviously sorry on my behalf that I was involved and didn't say a thing about it. I agree all of the people involved to receive a ban for a however long from future or upcoming events. That's only fair. I can only confirm this happened once while I was in carbon. I have no idea if this was done in last year's Cf stars qualifiers or not. In all honesty, I was not going to let this happen again because it is just plain out wrong. Again, I'm sorry for my involvement and what happened in the wcg qualifier.
I am not planning to stick around and it's not because of this for whoever is wondering. It's a shame to leave on this kind of note, but I hope you all understand that I am truly sorry to my good friend mav (he can decide if he wants to remain friends), Socks, z8games/g4box, the community, and fans.
- bertman
you're a fcking scumbag leave and dont come back
"good" players are getting away with cheating in every major event cf has ever had. and these same "good" players keep winning.
remember that. -
...This sort of thing happens in other tournaments too, i hope you and the crossfire community realize that. But for some reason, it is only looked upon when david tells the community himself. Detox got cheated out of OCG because of a corrupted admin too...Just saying, you should be like the only streamer. -
I should make a note that David only came out with it because we approached him the second we received the evidence and removed him from our staff immediately. He knew I would be making an official statement about it. I can't say whether he would or wouldn't have come out with the confession if such things had not happened. I'm just saying the timing of his confession is due to him being exposed and he decided to come out with it before we did.
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Giggletron wrote: »Am I the only one wondering if Carbon would have admitted it had they gotten away with it?
People are praising them for admitting it but they were caught and are trying some damage control to save themselves.
who is praising them? The only way something like this would have been admitted(without being caught) is if there was an internal team conflict -
throneofGod wrote: »who is praising them? The only way something like this would have been admitted(without being caught) is if there was an internal team conflict
This includes the people that agree with what they donePRiMESQDfan wrote: »If you guys had the option to send your best friend and his teammates to china to represent the game that both of you cherish so much about, wouldn't you have done the same? And lets be real $100 just to ghost is more money in your pocket. David could have been a bigger scumbag and done it for free but the fact that he didn't fall into temptation like that and had andrej pay up for something huge was justified.
/Rant
#Pribon
#Pr[!]mstinct
#PRIMETIME
#primepLaythroneofGod wrote: »What David should have done: Not accept the bribe
What I would have done: Accepted bribe and if Socks lost I would make an announcement similar to what David has done(only earlier and proof with recording of the bribe, etc). Win-win
Kind of sad though0z0mulsion wrote: »Unreal
For David to come out and make a personal apology is really telling of his character. He made a huge mistake but I have a lot of respect for him because of his honesty and conscience. The fact of how rare it is to see somebody come out and let everyone know of his/her failings makes this even more astounding. I can only wish the best for him. People make mistakes.I don't think there's much for them to say. They did what almost any of us would have done, tried to find an easy way to win. David did what almost any of us would have done, found an easy way to make quick cash. IMO if you can cheat and get away with it, you're a genius, however if you cheat and get caught, you're an idiot. Sure it wasn't the right thing to do, but it worked didn't it? They got their trip paid for didn't they? Sucks that someone had to come along and very luckily stumble upon the conversation whilst recording everything. Tbh we should be thanking them because it is now highly doubtful that anyone will try to ghost while casting.
Exactly. They got what they wanted... Why admit it? None of them would until they had been caught and now are trying to cover themselves by admitting what everyone knows saying how shamed they are... if they were that shamed they wouldnt have done it in the first place. -
Giggletron wrote: »This includes the people that agree with what they done
Exactly. They got what they wanted... Why admit it? None of them would until they had been caught and now are trying to cover themselves by admitting what everyone knows saying how shamed they are... if they were that shamed they wouldnt have done it in the first place.
prime isn't praising anyone and neither am i lol. You quoted me and i'm speaking on behalf of what I would have done if i was placed into the situation david was... nevertheless it was a joke. 0z isn't thinking and logic is just biased -
throneofGod wrote: »prime isn't praising anyone and neither am i lol. You quoted me and i'm speaking on behalf of what I would have done if i was placed into the situation david was... nevertheless it was a joke. 0z isn't thinking and logic is just biased
Therefore agreeing with what they did.
Why are you making excuses for everyone? -
Giggletron wrote: »Therefore agreeing with what they did.
Why are you making excuses for everyone?
"people are praising them..." 2 people out of the entire community(not including the team under question) are ok with the matter. There will always be at the very least a minority that agrees with someone... it's negligible
I'm putting things into perspective. I'm not making excuses for anyone.
Your initial question was stupid to begin with but i thought you would have realized that by now; guess not... -
throneofGod wrote: »"people are praising them..." 2 people out of the entire community(not including the team under question) are ok with the matter. There will always be at the very least a minority that agrees with someone... it's negligible
I'm putting things into perspective. I'm not making excuses for anyone.
Your initial question was stupid to begin with but i thought you would have realized that by now; guess not...
How exactly was it stupid? They wouldnt have admitted it had they got away with it.this is the cf competitive forum, i think you're lost
Youre actually a pretty good spokeperson for the competitive community.
And you all wonder why it wont grow? -
Giggletron wrote: »Am I the only one wondering if Carbon would have admitted it had they gotten away with it?
People are praising them for admitting it but they were caught and are trying some damage control to save themselves.
People don't know the difference between shame and guilt. David and Bert ostensibly feel the former. The rest of Carbon feel neither, as far as I can tell. -
Giggletron wrote: »How exactly was it stupid? They wouldnt have admitted it had they got away with it.
Youre actually a pretty good spokeperson for the competitive community.
And you all wonder why it wont grow?
"Am I the only one wondering if Carbon would have admitted it had they gotten away with it?"-Giggletron
Why are you asking a question that you already know the answer to. Or did i answer it for you? Regardless it was stupid
Ck basically told you to get lost but i'm assuming you didn't comprehend that either
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