Thoughts on Carbon vs Socks
Total Frags of Carbon vs Socks (Up until the second best-of-three)
brando: 69
andre: 66
xfam0usx: 61
Nova: 60
bert: 58
In short,
You're an idiot if you think that xfam0usx choked the entire event / that he did bad relative to the other players the entire time.
However, the stats for the Grand Finals?
Nova: 64
Andre: 64
brando: 49
bert: 45
xfam0usx: 30
Also, you're an idiot if you think that Socks is the "obviously better team". They went to overtime on every map, and have literally alternated winning every tournament set they play.
Amazing matches, and I can't wait to see how Socks does. Go America!
brando: 69
andre: 66
xfam0usx: 61
Nova: 60
bert: 58
In short,
You're an idiot if you think that xfam0usx choked the entire event / that he did bad relative to the other players the entire time.
However, the stats for the Grand Finals?
Nova: 64
Andre: 64
brando: 49
bert: 45
xfam0usx: 30
Also, you're an idiot if you think that Socks is the "obviously better team". They went to overtime on every map, and have literally alternated winning every tournament set they play.
Amazing matches, and I can't wait to see how Socks does. Go America!
Comments
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Agree with this.
Famous didn't choke at all. He got 8 less frags than the top fragers overall.
And Chubrub, they're "obviously the better team" because, for golden round it could've gone either way. Yes, Socks did held down that A ramp amazingly. But like I said, it could've gone either way. If Carbon would've went B, it would've been gg. -
Ellustrial wrote: »
However, the stats for the Grand Finals?
Nova: 64
Andre: 64
brando: 49
bert: 45
xfam0usx: 30
enough said. that is the match that mattered. the first match didn't matter because both teams could afford a loss.
famous wasn't even half as good as the top 2 players. simply unacceptable. get off his D, delusional D-rider. -
Agree with this.
Famous didn't choke at all. He got 8 less frags than the top fragers overall.
And Chubrub, they're "obviously the better team" because, for golden round it could've gone either way. Yes, Socks did held down that A ramp amazingly. But like I said, it could've gone either way. If Carbon would've went B, it would've been gg.
any round could have gone either way, you people are so stupid it hurts when i read sh1t like this. -
Famous had 99 kills total so idk where you got your numbers but either way there was no significant difference in total kills for carbon afaik.
Also the number of frags per player is pretty irrelevant, I think Carbon had ~30 more kills than Socks yet lost by one round. -
I honestly don't understand this community. Like other folks said they ARE BOTH excellent teams worthy or representing the US. What so many people fail to understand is that the more "top teams" we get in North America to actually challenge the representing position, the better it makes North America as a whole.
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Peter_North wrote: »enough said. that is the match that mattered. the first match didn't matter because both teams could afford a loss.
famous wasn't even half as good as the top 2 players. simply unacceptable. get off his D, delusional D-rider.
By this logic we should only be looking at the golden round, since that's the only round that really mattered.
Ellu, you got stats? We need to determine who the worst players in CF are by looking at the stats of a single round between the two best teams in CF.US :P
Also, frag count apparently matters :O
Both teams did stupidly well, it's not even fair that a single round got to send one team over the other. It's just a blatantly baseless insult when you try to critique a player over something as small as his total frag count in one set. -
[MOD]Denxi wrote: »By this logic we should only be looking at the golden round, since that's the only round that really mattered.
ok, well he choked there too.Ellustrial wrote: »
However, the stats for the Grand Finals?
Nova: 64
Andre: 64
brando: 49
bert: 45
xfam0usx: 30
speaks for itself. and yes, frags are all that matters. if every one on a team frags, the other team loses. nuff said. -
Also the number of frags per player is pretty irrelevant, I think Carbon had ~30 more kills than Socks yet lost by one round.Peter_North wrote: »oand yes, frags are all that matters. if every one on a team frags, the other team loses. nuff said.
wat ? -
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AwfulFallout wrote: »frag count is not irrelevant, it can point to a lot of factors why a team lost, it just isn't the sole factor to a team losing however.
It's not that frags are irrelevant, it's that frag count isn't very important. You need to actually go over the replay and see the impact that each player had, whether it was through frags or other means.
When I play CF, if I'm doing my job properly, I'll be bottoming. Does that mean I did poorly? No. The actions I performed won us rounds/the game. It's important to look at what the player actually did, rather than just say "30 frags? what a baddy!" Those 30 frags ALL could have been crucial to winning the game.
It should also be mentioned that no one has gone over what Socks did RIGHT to win, the focus has been on what was "wrong" with Carbon. -
Peter_North wrote: »this is why none of you will ever win anything. you just don't understand the game.
Then explain. It's a waste of everybody's time (including your own) to just say "you're all wrong, hah" and not bother telling us WHY. To everybody else, you just look like you're being a ****, and from you end up accomplishing nothing. -
Peter_North wrote: »this is why none of you will ever win anything. you just don't understand the game.
Say a team is on Mexico right, GR plays 2 mid shadow, 1 quad, 1 A, 1 water right. The BL team gets a pick off water, the water player will more than likely say 1 water and if the BL player is pushing or not so the person from quad comes to water and has 1 other person in shadow mid play back of quad box. By the time it takes for the 2 players on GR to rotate positions, BL could have already pushed into A site and picked the player off so it's down to 3v5 in favor of BL. They get the bomb down and it blows up with maybe 1-2 players on GR remaining, in that case it doesn't matter the frag count, the BL team played smart and hit their shots and took the W. Now am I saying this is always the case, of course not, more than likely the 1-2 players on GR would have pushed in trying to defuse the bomb, majority of the time it is frags that determine who wins. -
Being the last one alive in a 1v1 and winning the round can do it. May not frag every round but getting the frag when it matter does.
I pub in E8 last night, I didn't do too well by going negitive but my team still won. I sometimes was the last one alive and won the round by killing the 1 or 2 players. If I didn't do that then I would have lost that round and costing us the game win.
Look at what is happening from all angles instead of signaling one out. -
Ellustrial wrote: »Total Frags of Carbon vs Socks (Up until the second best-of-three)
brando: 69
andre: 66
xfam0usx: 61
Nova: 60
bert: 58
In short,
You're an idiot if you think that xfam0usx choked the entire event / that he did bad relative to the other players the entire time.
However, the stats for the Grand Finals?
Nova: 64
Andre: 64
brando: 49
bert: 45
xfam0usx: 30
Also, you're an idiot if you think that Socks is the "obviously better team". They went to overtime on every map, and have literally alternated winning every tournament set they play.
Amazing matches, and I can't wait to see how Socks does. Go America!
it's time to hop off his d1ck -
[MOD]Denxi wrote: »It's not that frags are irrelevant, it's that frag count isn't very important. You need to actually go over the replay and see the impact that each player had, whether it was through frags or other means.
When I play CF, if I'm doing my job properly, I'll be bottoming. Does that mean I did poorly? No. The actions I performed won us rounds/the game. It's important to look at what the player actually did, rather than just say "30 frags? what a baddy!" Those 30 frags ALL could have been crucial to winning the game.
It should also be mentioned that no one has gone over what Socks did RIGHT to win, the focus has been on what was "wrong" with Carbon.
yes but there are two ways to win in S&D, eliminate all opposing players or destroy the objective. frag count is directly related to eliminating the opposing players which is directly related to winning. i am not saying you should draw a conclusion directly from frag count, but it does have a direct correlation to the outcome of a match, and to ignore that would be a mistake, especially when you consider where the person with the lowest frag count is playing, i do agree with you that you can have a low frag count and still do good for your team, but to completely disregard frag count is wrong and saying it is irrelevant. but again this would have to be determined by watching the replay like you mentioned. -
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