Controversy surrounding China CFS
Hey guys, it's their home country and they pretty much hosted this event obviously there is going to be some bias. Like in my post previously posted unless you have been there at international competition there just some things you wont understand. At WCG there were plenty of small things from other teams having to wear RAZER headphones and IG could wear their own from 10 referees spotting a team compared to 0 for China. I don't think it's an excuse to lose but indefinably a disadvantage even when it comes to computer support they will get it first.
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Its still just a game played for fun... This isn't going to lead anywhere carbon lost so let it be
If you read his post you would know he wasn't complaining about the bias...
Also, "it's just a game so you shouldn't complain about unfair decisions" is a terrible argument when it could cost a team $50,000 -
If you read his post you would know he wasn't complaining about the bias...
Also, "it's just a game so you shouldn't complain about unfair decisions" is a terrible argument when it could cost a team $50,000
So lets just turn back time and make it " fair" right? Oh wait....
It is what it is sadly. -
Its still just a game played for fun... This isn't going to lead anywhere carbon lost so let it be
I'm not sure what you mean "game played for fun." If we look at the bigger picture gaming is similar to sports which is similar to any sort of competition. To some people Crossfire can be considered a E-SPORT, and obviously it's fun to play but there is a whole side of competition and honor. I don't like how you address "It's just a game" makes me feel you are undermining E-SPORTS. I am not complaining but just stating how a bias is present and you should be aware before making judgement with no back. -
ISnipeFast- wrote: »teams having to wear RAZER headphones and IG could wear their own from 10 referees spotting a team compared to 0 for China. I don't think it's an excuse to lose but indefinably a disadvantage even when it comes to computer support they will get it first.
it doesn't matter what headphones you use. all of them can hear footsteps and gun switches and teammates voices. be happy they gave you any. a named brand, no less. so what's the problem?
it doesn't matter if there's 1 spotter or 200. if you're not cheating, you have nothing to worry about. so what's the problem?
computer support.. they get it first but you still get it. what's so hard to figure out that you can't do it yourself? every one uses those computers. they are tested.
what other non-factor excuses can you guys come up with? that the crowd is cheering for the other teams? awwww.
chinese are better than us. #dealwithit -
ISnipeFast- wrote: »I'm not sure what you mean "game played for fun." If we look at the bigger picture gaming is similar to sports which is similar to any sort of competition. To some people Crossfire can be considered a E-SPORT, and obviously it's fun to play but there is a whole side of competition and honor. I don't like how you address "It's just a game" makes me feel you are undermining E-SPORTS. I am not complaining but just stating how a bias is present and you should be aware before making judgement with no back.
I know what you mean man. But there isn't anything we can do about it now so its probably better not to bring up the topic especially with all the threads on CFS already going on. And I'm undermining E-Sports but I can call it what want right?
Anyway there may have been a biased but its so use lingering on it.
Asians whoop us lol #dealwithit -
Peter_North wrote: »it doesn't matter what headphones you use. all of them can hear footsteps and gun switches and teammates voices. be happy they gave you any. a named brand, no less. so what's the problem?
it doesn't matter if there's 1 spotter or 200. if you're not cheating, you have nothing to worry about. so what's the problem?
computer support.. they get it first but you still get it. what's so hard to figure out that you can't do it yourself? every one uses those computers. they are tested.
what other non-factor excuses can you guys come up with? that the crowd is cheering for the other teams? awwww.
chinese are better than us. #dealwithit
Not sure if you are trolling but headphones matter when you are given 30 dollar ones and there are practically several huge stages blasting with music and you can't hear a single thing not even the voices of your teammate. Also no, not everyone gets computer support. If time gets too tight they tell you to play with your computer problem or you will get disqualified happened to Hammertime and Carnage. Just the thought of having more spotters than the opposing side shows BIAS in itself. At WCG I needed to take the biggest poo of my life and they said we start now or it's DQ.
CHECK OUT our CARNAGE Vlogs I think we recorded several instance that the spotter ratio was either 0 to 5 or like 1 to 5. My last post I'm not complaining but stating a fact that there is a bias, not stating that China isn't better than us. -
Peter_North wrote: »it doesn't matter what headphones you use. all of them can hear footsteps and gun switches and teammates voices. be happy they gave you any. a named brand, no less. so what's the problem?
it doesn't matter if there's 1 spotter or 200. if you're not cheating, you have nothing to worry about. so what's the problem?
computer support.. they get it first but you still get it. what's so hard to figure out that you can't do it yourself? every one uses those computers. they are tested.
what other non-factor excuses can you guys come up with? that the crowd is cheering for the other teams? awwww.
chinese are better than us. #dealwithit
sorry but the OP originally stated that China had 0 refs spectating, that big is a problem. -
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ISnipeFast- wrote: »Just the thought of having more spotters than the opposing side shows BIAS in itself. At WCG I needed to take the biggest poo of my life and they said we start now or it's DQ.
CHECK OUT our CARNAGE Vlogs I think we recorded several instance that the spotter ratio was either 0 to 5 or like 1 to 5.
well that's WCG. it's long over.
in these cf stars, you can clearly see in the stream when carbon got destroyed in the first match that each side has 2 staff in each room.AwfulFallout wrote: »unless someone can prove me wrong, sure i'll call them cheaters
lol we are sad making excuses for ourselves. saidin and our community should be ashamed of everything that went down in cf stars. from sending cheating teams, to making excuses when we lose. -
Peter_North wrote: »well that's WCG. it's long over.
in these cf stars, you can clearly see in the stream when carbon got destroyed in the first match that each side has 2 staff in each room.
lol we are sad making excuses for ourselves. saidin and our community should be ashamed of everything that went down in cf stars. from sending cheating teams, to making excuses when we lose.
i am not making an excuse for their loss, i could care less about what happens with this game and i pretty much think every player on carbon is sub par compared to other teams that attended this tournament apart from gandhi, i am just stating that there is foul play involved with these leagues and past leagues and it shouldn't continue to go unnoticed, someone has to say something -
Having any differences between 2 teams is being bias. I would also know this due to the FG LAN. When we needed spotters, we had to make sure there was an even amount for both teams. If there was an issue with the PC's, we made sure both teams were being looked at(sometimes it didnt work out because of short staff).
Plus having to play out of your comfort zone does affect your game. Like have people watching you over your shoulder, extra noises, different PC's(might have an issue). All of those could possibly hurt you in the long run. This is due to the inexperience CFNA has with competitions. An easy way to fix this is to have more LAN's where the pressure is on them, so when the time comes for these larger events teams can be prepared.
BTW what was the outcome of Carbon vs Modern? -
LANJPurvis wrote: »Having any differences between 2 teams is being bias. I would also know this due to the FG LAN. When we needed spotters, we had to make sure there was an even amount for both teams. If there was an issue with the PC's, we made sure both teams were being looked at(sometimes it didnt work out because of short staff).
Plus having to play out of your comfort zone does affect your game. Like have people watching you over your shoulder, extra noises, different PC's(might have an issue). All of those could possibly hurt you in the long run. This is due to the inexperience CFNA has with competitions. An easy way to fix this is to have more LAN's where the pressure is on them, so when the time comes for these larger events teams can be prepared.
BTW what was the outcome of Carbon vs Modern?
Carbon lost, not sure of the score. -
Peter_North wrote: »lol we are sad making excuses for ourselves. saidin and our community should be ashamed of everything that went down in cf stars. from sending cheating teams, to making excuses when we lose.
I dont get how you can say we sent a cheating team when they did fine at the event. Famous did good as well its not like he bottomed every half, from what I saw he topped many halves. Most events like this are naturally biased to the home country, thats why I think the rotation of event locations for WCG / CFS should go through every participating country switching the host country each year to be fair instead of always having it in China. Its funny how when its not in China, America makes it to the finals =P -
Its still just a game played for fun... This isn't going to lead anywhere even if it may be a slight advantage. Carbon lost so let it be.Peter_North wrote: »it doesn't matter what headphones you use. all of them can hear footsteps and gun switches and teammates voices. be happy they gave you any. a named brand, no less. so what's the problem?
it doesn't matter if there's 1 spotter or 200. if you're not cheating, you have nothing to worry about. so what's the problem?
computer support.. they get it first but you still get it. what's so hard to figure out that you can't do it yourself? every one uses those computers. they are tested.
what other non-factor excuses can you guys come up with? that the crowd is cheering for the other teams? awwww.
chinese are better than us. #dealwithit
Both of you leave the competitive forums and never come back. You are both ******ed pubstars. -
In our 1st match against Philippines we were forced to start even though 3 people had no sound and or mic issues. It was me and Garrett talking to each other for the 1st half. We could have won the match otherwise.
Mic issues on lan aren't a huge deal, however sound is so.... Most events like this are naturally biased to the home country, thats why I think the rotation of event locations for WCG / CFS should go through every participating country switching the host country each year to be fair instead of always having it in China. Its funny how when its not in China, America makes it to the finals =P
Wcg for Crossfire has never not been in china. You have once again proven your stupidity to me. -
All wcg's with crossfire were in china.
Ever since wcg has had crossfire its really gone downhill, so its basically been stuck in china.
WCG 2011 was in Busan, South Korea and FGHammertime took 2nd place. Way to pay attention and prove how much you really know.
http://www.wcg.com/renew/history/wcg2011/wcg2011_overview.asp
Link to WCG so you can see that WCG has only been in China for 2012 and 2013 for Crossfire.
International Events for Crossfire have gone:
2010 - WEM - China
2011 - WCG - Busan, South Korea
2012 - WCG - Kushan City, China
2013 - CFS - Shanghai, China
2013 - WCG - Kushan City, China
WCG has been in: Korea, USA, Germany, italy, Singapore, and China
So going by there record of events one of the next 2 years will be in Europe or USA -
Peter_North wrote: »lol we are sad making excuses for ourselves. saidin and our community should be ashamed of everything that went down in cf stars. from sending cheating teams, to making excuses when we lose.
Saidin and other people have simply stated the obvious. The atmosphere was biased. That's not an excuse that was fact. It was expected when the competition was located in China. It's going to be naturally biased towards the teams of that home nation. No one has actually said, "Carbon would have gone all the way if it wasn't for...." People are just stating what's really already been said.
They shouldn't be ashamed of anything. If anyone should be ashamed, it's you. Your attitude is poor. If you're so worked up about what happened and how it happened, then leave. You and your attitude won't be missed. I bet if the team that you wanted to go was in China instead, you would be the one trying to defend them and why they lost. So don't be so critical just because the team that went is not the team you favor. That's hypocritical at best and makes your statements just about worthless. -
haha i wish i could show the other countries these threads.
they would see the mods and GMs QQing about how unfair it was as if the referees were playing the match and not carbon.
jimmies are getting rustled big time.
waaa the refs were biased waaa.
if this community could play CF with their tears, they'd be the champion of the world. -
So going by there record of events one of the next 2 years will be in Europe or USA
Correction: WCG was in Europe and USA when cs 1.6 was the title game. WCG has now been bought by a Chineese company who is planning to keep it in Asia. Wcg will never come back to the USA or Europe. Way to pay attention. Im sorry you no nothing outside of cf. -
Peter_North wrote: »haha i wish i could show the other countries these threads.
they would see the mods and GMs QQing about how unfair it was as if the referees were playing the match and not carbon.
jimmies are getting rustled big time.
waaa the refs were biased waaa.
if this community could play CF with their tears, they'd be the champion of the world.
i never understand the point of trolling
which is what this bad player is doing
lol nt Carbon
but yeah bias is frustrating
in every sport
gotta learn to deal with it tho
d00ds -
Peter_North wrote: »well that's WCG. it's long over.
in these cf stars, you can clearly see in the stream when carbon got destroyed in the first match that each side has 2 staff in each room.
lol we are sad making excuses for ourselves. saidin and our community should be ashamed of everything that went down in cf stars. from sending cheating teams, to making excuses when we lose.
These last few days, all you post is dumb remarks and you post as though you were there. This is why people like you will never truly be that high up in the competitive scene. All you do is try to make NA look as bad as possible, don't even put the word "we" in your sentences anymore, "we" don't want you part of the NA group, you can leave. The community's attitude truly has gotten better, but there are still those idiots that will never change. -
When we talk about bias we're talking about home field advantage.
The broadcasters (in Chinese) were favoring the Chinese teams, when up against other teams for obvious reasons. They are casting their home team.
When Tencent foots the bill for a competitive event and hosts it in China, there is going to be more Chinese teams available to attend. That's their right as the home state and as hosts of the event.
There were some subtle communication things that are fairly obvious when you think about it logically. Someone speaking Chinese is going to have a much easier time communicating an issue or delay or match than someone who doesn't. However Tencent provided each team with a translator, our team's translator was very good. She was able to communicate very clearly all our issues.
Competition must continue, so things like a broken mouse or a game delay while they fix computers is going to be inevitable. The intensity was heightened because each team was making sure the rules were enforced fairly for both sides. Because the Chinese teams were able to communicate easier (see above) it wasn't an issue for them, for us we had to use a translator and make sure that our issues were heard and understood.
As far as the competition goes, it is most certainly not an excuse for team performance. Carbon did the best they can, and under the immense pressure and against better teams with the home field advantage talked about above, it was an up hill battle for them.
The major thing that we can take away from this is that Carbon and the teams from EU and Russia were able to show Tencent, Smilegate and the people watching in China that the rest of the world can step up to any team from China and beat them. Considering half the Chinese teams didn't make it to day 2, to say they were disappointed is an understatement.
Tencent executives and the Smilegate team were impressed by the skill level and intensity and were very much a part of the tension that was going on while Carbon went toe-to-toe with Modern. Them, the managers of the other teams, the other teams, the people watching etc all contributed to what was a VERY intense match for everyone involved.
In the end, I think that Carbon has paved the way for more respect in future international competitions and that groups like Smilegate, WCG, Tencent and more need to be more accomodating for English speaking teams (non Chinese speaking), players from outside of China and to expect top-level competition from these guys at every event.
That alone was a victory in my eyes. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »When we talk about bias we're talking about home field advantage.
The broadcasters (in Chinese) were favoring the Chinese teams, when up against other teams for obvious reasons. They are casting their home team.
When Tencent foots the bill for a competitive event and hosts it in China, there is going to be more Chinese teams available to attend. That's their right as the home state and as hosts of the event.
There were some subtle communication things that are fairly obvious when you think about it logically. Someone speaking Chinese is going to have a much easier time communicating an issue or delay or match than someone who doesn't. However Tencent provided each team with a translator, our team's translator was very good. She was able to communicate very clearly all our issues.
Competition must continue, so things like a broken mouse or a game delay while they fix computers is going to be inevitable. The intensity was heightened because each team was making sure the rules were enforced fairly for both sides. Because the Chinese teams were able to communicate easier (see above) it wasn't an issue for them, for us we had to use a translator and make sure that our issues were heard and understood.
As far as the competition goes, it is most certainly not an excuse for team performance. Carbon did the best they can, and under the immense pressure and against better teams with the home field advantage talked about above, it was an up hill battle for them.
The major thing that we can take away from this is that Carbon and the teams from EU and Russia were able to show Tencent, Smilegate and the people watching in China that the rest of the world can step up to any team from China and beat them. Considering half the Chinese teams didn't make it to day 2, to say they were disappointed is an understatement.
Tencent executives and the Smilegate team were impressed by the skill level and intensity and were very much a part of the tension that was going on while Carbon went toe-to-toe with Modern. Them, the managers of the other teams, the other teams, the people watching etc all contributed to what was a VERY intense match for everyone involved.
In the end, I think that Carbon has paved the way for more respect in future international competitions and that groups like Smilegate, WCG, Tencent and more need to be more accomodating for English speaking teams (non Chinese speaking), players from outside of China and to expect top-level competition from these guys at every event.
That alone was a victory in my eyes.
i like that +1. China at last wcg said that the top 6 chinese teams were more competitive then the rest of the world. Guess cf Stars was proving grounds -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »The major thing that we can take away from this is that Carbon and the teams from EU and Russia were able to show Tencent, Smilegate and the people watching in China that the rest of the world can step up to any team from China and beat them. Considering half the Chinese teams didn't make it to day 2, to say they were disappointed is an understatement.
Tencent executives and the Smilegate team were impressed by the skill level and intensity and were very much a part of the tension that was going on while Carbon went toe-to-toe with Modern.
In the end, I think that Carbon has paved the way for more respect in future international competitions and that groups like Smilegate, WCG, Tencent and more need to be more accomodating for English speaking teams (non Chinese speaking), players from outside of China and to expect top-level competition from these guys at every event.
That alone was a victory in my eyes.
The parts that I highlighted is what I'm proud of any competitive team. They may have not won, or even place in the top 3, but they did use their presence to further help the CF competitive scene... hopefully including this version
Now a good question to Saidin would be: What sort of ideas do you or Smilegate have in mind to bring forth to our version to further enhance the competitive scene here?
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