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Go tell people from other versions of cf that NA didn't have an AC for their qualifier and record their reaction.
I'll See what I can do.
Considering that there was no AC for something like 9 of the 11 countries competing I don't expect much of a "reaction" at all.
I should also note that we're definitely expecting more "hate" than usual. Carbon has advanced to the Quarters proving their skill level, which is only going to increase the jealousy and hate towards them. -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »I'll See what I can do.
Considering that there was no AC for something like 9 of the 11 countries competing I don't expect much of a "reaction" at all.
I should also note that we're definitely expecting more "hate" than usual. Carbon has advanced to the Quarters proving their skill level, which is only going to increase the jealousy and hate towards them.
Yeah, either an AC or a lan. derp. -
ISnipeFast- wrote: »Great to see the event going good, just make sure for the future events a proper LAN or AC is prepared that is all !
Either way Carbon would have taken it IMO, only team who could have taken them on LAN is maybe Hammertime (seeing as Kanata didn't exist during CFS quals). I think the main reason the top 4 couldn't have a LAN was because of time issues. I am sure next season will be more well prepared, but from what Saidin talked to me about at LAN it sort of got put on him to have a team ready for CFS with a short time frame. So in his defense I think he did the most he could do for the time he had to do it.
Best of luck to Carbon in the Semi-Finals and I look forward to seeing CFS happen again next year. -
If I'm correct Carbon will play @ 11pm EST?
Also LAN's are amazing at preparing teams for these larger events. You have more pressure and it really gets your blood rushing. When you are able to pull off an amazing play, you can feel the reaction from others at the same time.
Good luck to Carbon in the Quarter Finals and beyond -
Since we're getting ready for the finals this afternoon there is a moment to update everyone on the Modern vs Carbon match and what will prove to be one of the best matches no one saw in the tournament.
The day started out early, 9:30am here Carbon was on the back PC's setting their stuff up. They showed up first and were allowed to pick the set of PC's to play on, they chose the ones they played on last night.
Modern set up and the match was ready to go.
The first round of a best of 3 was on Mexico. The game was intense, myself and the rest of the attendees from NA as well as players from EU, BR and other non Chinese countries were rallying around Carbon. While Modern had picked up their crew of Chinese supporters.
Carbon stunned Modern by winning Mexico in a tight set of matches 10-7.
After that first round things got hairy. It started to turn into an east vs west shouting match after each round was won/lost. Then the Chinese officials started to ask NA people to move away from the NA side of the computers. IE to move away from watching it. Noticing that they weren't doing this for the Chinese side, we enforced the rules ourselves and had all the supporters on the other side move away until it was down to just the teams, the computers and the team "managers" (Myself and the Modern manager).
Tension was running incredibly high, any player caught talking after dying received warnings, the players were locked in their second map on Sub Base while the managers were trying to push crowds away and stop any 'funny business' from happening.
Modern went up on Sub Base 5-4 in the first half. In the second half the game was tied at 7-7 (3-2 for Carbon) when the drama hit.
Brando's mouse stopped working during the final firefight of the round. We all saw it happen, the round was stopped at that point to determine what to do.
The officials from China ruled that because he was using his own mouse, it was impossible to determine whether the freeze happened due to his own mouse, or the PC. The round would count and Brando was given the opportunity to change mice before resuming the game.
Meanwhile one of the players on Modern just "happened" to notice that his frame rate was lower than he expected. The ref changed out the entire computer for that player and both teams were given a 10 minute break.
Upon returning to their PC tensions were high, some players from other teams started to gather and both managers were taking control of the refs to make sure they cleared the area so no unfair advantages could be gained.
After the match resumed on Sub Base, Modern came back with renewed vigor. It went 1-1 before they broke through on the final game for a 10-8 victory. The match had to move to a third map. Which also, had been the only 3rd map of the day. The other quarter final matches all went 2-0.
On the 3rd map it was equally tough. In one match Harvey was killed leaving the only other opponent alive with only 1 hp. In the end though Modern took the match 10-5. There was no more gas left in the tank, Carbon put it out there and put themselves and ALL non Chinese versions of CrossFire on the map.
After the match, executives from both Tencent and Smilegate commented that the match between these two teams was the most intense they had seen. Being on the floor behind the guys, even I can tell you the tension was incredible.
We will be getting replays from that match to share with people however you will have to wait a little bit until the conclusion of the tournament and event before any of the promo materials are released.
I would like to note a few things here just from a brief glance at the forums and also from the experiences here.
1) The casting and cast quality is out of our hands. We fought for a raw footage link so that we could have our own casters do the matches, but it wasn't provided. We were told that an English cast was going to be set up, but we have obviously noted the quality issues.
2) Tencent is the one footing the bill for this entire event, likely in the millions of dollars to have everything set up and paid for. Because of this it was held in the home country of China and the home of the most popular version of CF. This is why 6 teams from China were allowed to compete, and explains many of the bias we see in things like the casting.
This also explains why Chinese teams were being featured in casting more than other nations.
That being said though, the EU, Russian and NA teams all made it to the quarter finals and if there is one thing they can all take away from this is that they all showed that CF can be played at the best level outside of China. That moving forward, they cannot discount teams like Carbon or Ice9, and that they will have to accommodate the needs of these regions and players more!
Carbon may not have made the top 3, and that means they will have to get back into qualifying for the next one like every other team. But they certainly paved the way for any future team coming from NA to be treated with more respect. The match today vs Modern proved that the CF world needs to pay more attention to the competitive play in NA (and other places). It can only mean good things for competitive CF in the future.
We're a long way off from CF Stars season 2 and WCG, but keep your eyes open for how you can be involved and get qualified so you can be a part of these amazing events and travel all around the world to win cash and prizes! -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »Looks like it. Shirt's baby blue. I rock it with style boys, that's how it's done here in Shanghai.
This photo was a press opportunity, and a chance for the publishers and team managers to look at the venue the night before. We were scoping out where matches would be played and the computers etc.
Day 1 of the tournament has now wrapped up. We've got some pictures to put up, but won't get a chance to tonight. It's midnight and we're all wiped. Oh and by the way, Carbon advances to the quarters!
The best thing about a double elimination tournament is that you can always come back from 1 loss to keep going. That's exactly what Carbon did. Getting their tournament jitters out in an hour long delay during setup time due to a computer error on Andrej's PC coupled with an intense matchup vs one of the teams from China meant that the team was able to get themselves set and ready for the rest of the tournament.
Similar to the FG LAN in Toronto, there were setup issues throughout the day as teams all wanted to get their own equipment working. In addition to that, players found it more relaxing and easier to play on the back PC's (in the picture above) than on the main stage itself. The Chinese teams are used to that kind of focus, but the NA team lost their way in what ended up being a closer match than the score told on the main stage.
After a successful rebound in their second game Carbon was then put to the test as the tournament organizers released the team for the evening, told them to pack up and play their first match tomorrow morning. THEN called the entire team back to play their final match to determine who moves to the quarters vs another team from China.
A 5k from Andrej is about all you need to know from that! We were all exhausted and I don't think anyone got a video from it. But it will go down as one of the more epic moments in the history of the game. The entire side of the back PC's was divided between Carbon fans and HG Fans and after that 5k Carbon never looked back.
Carbon advances to the quarters. So for those who insist on trash talking, I say prove it on the battlefield in the next tournament, and understand that in a double-elimination tournament you're not out with the first loss.
So for those who have already lost faith, or perhaps they never had it in the first place, maybe competitive CF isn't the place for you. But for those who understand the intense action of a LAN and realize the heat all teams face when under pressure at this tournament, stick around because Carbon and the rest of the teams to make it to the Quarters face off their matches tomorrow. Something tells me, this isn't the last you've seen on the main stage from Carbon!
Good night from Shanghai! Results and more action will be posted tomorrow. Pictures and more will be posted later!
Go Carbon![GM]Saidin wrote: »Since we're getting ready for the finals this afternoon there is a moment to update everyone on the Modern vs Carbon match and what will prove to be one of the best matches no one saw in the tournament.
The day started out early, 9:30am here Carbon was on the back PC's setting their stuff up. They showed up first and were allowed to pick the set of PC's to play on, they chose the ones they played on last night.
Modern set up and the match was ready to go.
The first round of a best of 3 was on Mexico. The game was intense, myself and the rest of the attendees from NA as well as players from EU, BR and other non Chinese countries were rallying around Carbon. While Modern had picked up their crew of Chinese supporters.
Carbon stunned Modern by winning Mexico in a tight set of matches 10-7.
After that first round things got hairy. It started to turn into an east vs west shouting match after each round was won/lost. Then the Chinese officials started to ask NA people to move away from the NA side of the computers. IE to move away from watching it. Noticing that they weren't doing this for the Chinese side, we enforced the rules ourselves and had all the supporters on the other side move away until it was down to just the teams, the computers and the team "managers" (Myself and the Modern manager).
Tension was running incredibly high, any player caught talking after dying received warnings, the players were locked in their second map on Sub Base while the managers were trying to push crowds away and stop any 'funny business' from happening.
Modern went up on Sub Base 5-4 in the first half. In the second half the game was tied at 7-7 (3-2 for Carbon) when the drama hit.
Brando's mouse stopped working during the final firefight of the round. We all saw it happen, the round was stopped at that point to determine what to do.
The officials from China ruled that because he was using his own mouse, it was impossible to determine whether the freeze happened due to his own mouse, or the PC. The round would count and Brando was given the opportunity to change mice before resuming the game.
Meanwhile one of the players on Modern just "happened" to notice that his frame rate was lower than he expected. The ref changed out the entire computer for that player and both teams were given a 10 minute break.
Upon returning to their PC tensions were high, some players from other teams started to gather and both managers were taking control of the refs to make sure they cleared the area so no unfair advantages could be gained.
After the match resumed on Sub Base, Modern came back with renewed vigor. It went 1-1 before they broke through on the final game for a 10-8 victory. The match had to move to a third map. Which also, had been the only 3rd map of the day. The other quarter final matches all went 2-0.
On the 3rd map it was equally tough. In one match Harvey was killed leaving the only other opponent alive with only 1 hp. In the end though Modern took the match 10-5. There was no more gas left in the tank, Carbon put it out there and put themselves and ALL non Chinese versions of CrossFire on the map.
After the match, executives from both Tencent and Smilegate commented that the match between these two teams was the most intense they had seen. Being on the floor behind the guys, even I can tell you the tension was incredible.
We will be getting replays from that match to share with people however you will have to wait a little bit until the conclusion of the tournament and event before any of the promo materials are released.
I would like to note a few things here just from a brief glance at the forums and also from the experiences here.
1) The casting and cast quality is out of our hands. We fought for a raw footage link so that we could have our own casters do the matches, but it wasn't provided. We were told that an English cast was going to be set up, but we have obviously noted the quality issues.
2) Tencent is the one footing the bill for this entire event, likely in the millions of dollars to have everything set up and paid for. Because of this it was held in the home country of China and the home of the most popular version of CF. This is why 6 teams from China were allowed to compete, and explains many of the bias we see in things like the casting.
This also explains why Chinese teams were being featured in casting more than other nations.
That being said though, the EU, Russian and NA teams all made it to the quarter finals and if there is one thing they can all take away from this is that they all showed that CF can be played at the best level outside of China. That moving forward, they cannot discount teams like Carbon or Ice9, and that they will have to accommodate the needs of these regions and players more!
Carbon may not have made the top 3, and that means they will have to get back into qualifying for the next one like every other team. But they certainly paved the way for any future team coming from NA to be treated with more respect. The match today vs Modern proved that the CF world needs to pay more attention to the competitive play in NA (and other places). It can only mean good things for competitive CF in the future.
We're a long way off from CF Stars season 2 and WCG, but keep your eyes open for how you can be involved and get qualified so you can be a part of these amazing events and travel all around the world to win cash and prizes!
Just a general comment to Saidin and those who seem to have a problem with him.
I've never been so impressed with a GM/Game Owner (in other games) in my life. Saidin has really stepped it up a notch in terms of the competitive community. Sure I don't post here often, but I've been browsing this section since 09. He has introduced leagues and drafts, inspired the community to host their own, and has done his best to raise awareness and quality of NA CF competitive recently. CF competitive (NA) is seriously growing right now. If any of you take the time to read what he says he does a great job of presenting his case, views, decisions, and does his best to accommodate others.
I could go on, but I think this man doesn't get enough credit, particularly with the recent things he has done and accomplished. Maybe it's because I have 1 hand and I only type 50-60 wpm, but posting lengthy and informative posts takes time, effort, and thought. It is clearly evident in the few above.
Now I know my word doesn't carry much weight and many will accuse me of sucking up to the big guy, but I just honestly think its worth to thank those in charge. Sure we all have our issues (I've ranted about the server lag/hack tool on several occasions.), but I think we have to recognize all the things that have happened, instead of only focusing on the negative.
OT: Great job Carbon. Competing and challenging teams world wide is always something worth respecting. -
was thoroughly entertained reading this +1[GM]Saidin wrote: »Since we're getting ready for the finals this afternoon there is a moment to update everyone on the Modern vs Carbon match and what will prove to be one of the best matches no one saw in the tournament.
The day started out early, 9:30am here Carbon was on the back PC's setting their stuff up. They showed up first and were allowed to pick the set of PC's to play on, they chose the ones they played on last night.
Modern set up and the match was ready to go.
The first round of a best of 3 was on Mexico. The game was intense, myself and the rest of the attendees from NA as well as players from EU, BR and other non Chinese countries were rallying around Carbon. While Modern had picked up their crew of Chinese supporters.
Carbon stunned Modern by winning Mexico in a tight set of matches 10-7.
After that first round things got hairy. It started to turn into an east vs west shouting match after each round was won/lost. Then the Chinese officials started to ask NA people to move away from the NA side of the computers. IE to move away from watching it. Noticing that they weren't doing this for the Chinese side, we enforced the rules ourselves and had all the supporters on the other side move away until it was down to just the teams, the computers and the team "managers" (Myself and the Modern manager).
Tension was running incredibly high, any player caught talking after dying received warnings, the players were locked in their second map on Sub Base while the managers were trying to push crowds away and stop any 'funny business' from happening.
Modern went up on Sub Base 5-4 in the first half. In the second half the game was tied at 7-7 (3-2 for Carbon) when the drama hit.
Brando's mouse stopped working during the final firefight of the round. We all saw it happen, the round was stopped at that point to determine what to do.
The officials from China ruled that because he was using his own mouse, it was impossible to determine whether the freeze happened due to his own mouse, or the PC. The round would count and Brando was given the opportunity to change mice before resuming the game.
Meanwhile one of the players on Modern just "happened" to notice that his frame rate was lower than he expected. The ref changed out the entire computer for that player and both teams were given a 10 minute break.
Upon returning to their PC tensions were high, some players from other teams started to gather and both managers were taking control of the refs to make sure they cleared the area so no unfair advantages could be gained.
After the match resumed on Sub Base, Modern came back with renewed vigor. It went 1-1 before they broke through on the final game for a 10-8 victory. The match had to move to a third map. Which also, had been the only 3rd map of the day. The other quarter final matches all went 2-0.
On the 3rd map it was equally tough. In one match Harvey was killed leaving the only other opponent alive with only 1 hp. In the end though Modern took the match 10-5. There was no more gas left in the tank, Carbon put it out there and put themselves and ALL non Chinese versions of CrossFire on the map.
After the match, executives from both Tencent and Smilegate commented that the match between these two teams was the most intense they had seen. Being on the floor behind the guys, even I can tell you the tension was incredible.
We will be getting replays from that match to share with people however you will have to wait a little bit until the conclusion of the tournament and event before any of the promo materials are released.
I would like to note a few things here just from a brief glance at the forums and also from the experiences here.
1) The casting and cast quality is out of our hands. We fought for a raw footage link so that we could have our own casters do the matches, but it wasn't provided. We were told that an English cast was going to be set up, but we have obviously noted the quality issues.
2) Tencent is the one footing the bill for this entire event, likely in the millions of dollars to have everything set up and paid for. Because of this it was held in the home country of China and the home of the most popular version of CF. This is why 6 teams from China were allowed to compete, and explains many of the bias we see in things like the casting.
This also explains why Chinese teams were being featured in casting more than other nations.
That being said though, the EU, Russian and NA teams all made it to the quarter finals and if there is one thing they can all take away from this is that they all showed that CF can be played at the best level outside of China. That moving forward, they cannot discount teams like Carbon or Ice9, and that they will have to accommodate the needs of these regions and players more!
Carbon may not have made the top 3, and that means they will have to get back into qualifying for the next one like every other team. But they certainly paved the way for any future team coming from NA to be treated with more respect. The match today vs Modern proved that the CF world needs to pay more attention to the competitive play in NA (and other places). It can only mean good things for competitive CF in the future.
We're a long way off from CF Stars season 2 and WCG, but keep your eyes open for how you can be involved and get qualified so you can be a part of these amazing events and travel all around the world to win cash and prizes! -
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Good fight Carbon!
When will the UK have the chance to fight in WCG and CF Stars?
When our competitive scene grows more, the community scrims in UK 3-8 but it needs to grow and become more active. Eventually something will be done I hope. New teams will form when competition is announced. -
Just a general comment to Saidin and those who seem to have a problem with him.
I've never been so impressed with a GM/Game Owner (in other games) in my life. Saidin has really stepped it up a notch in terms of the competitive community. Sure I don't post here often, but I've been browsing this section since 09. He has introduced leagues and drafts, inspired the community to host their own, and has done his best to raise awareness and quality of NA CF competitive recently. CF competitive (NA) is seriously growing right now. If any of you take the time to read what he says he does a great job of presenting his case, views, decisions, and does his best to accommodate others.
I could go on, but I think this man doesn't get enough credit, particularly with the recent things he has done and accomplished. Maybe it's because I have 1 hand and I only type 50-60 wpm, but posting lengthy and informative posts takes time, effort, and thought. It is clearly evident in the few above.
Now I know my word doesn't carry much weight and many will accuse me of sucking up to the big guy, but I just honestly think its worth to thank those in charge. Sure we all have our issues (I've ranted about the server lag/hack tool on several occasions.), but I think we have to recognize all the things that have happened, instead of only focusing on the negative.
OT: Great job Carbon. Competing and challenging teams world wide is always something worth respecting.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
We continue to do our best to help grow and maintain a healthy community. I think the CF Stars international tournaments are going to help even more. And the respect Carbon earned will open the doorway for our version to be involved as much as possible! -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »Thanks for the vote of confidence.
We continue to do our best to help grow and maintain a healthy community. I think the CF Stars international tournaments are going to help even more. And the respect Carbon earned will open the doorway for our version to be involved as much as possible!
This has gained respect for carbon to be honest.
Great job man!
Was some good streams though the comp is over!
Better luck next time! -
That's what you say after every international event.
Thats because its true. The more teams from USA and North America that do not do terrible at international events, the more invites we will get because they will see us as a version worth competing against. -
Thats because its true. The more teams from USA and North America that do not do terrible at international events, the more invites we will get because they will see us as a version worth competing against.
The last time a team was invited to an event was 2010 with LifeLine. -
kingdooper wrote: »The last time a team was invited to an event was 2010 with LifeLine.
Not entirely sure where you're getting your information.
Both Hammertime and Carnage competed at WCG 2012?
I'm also curious to what is false about saying that the competitive nature and showing of each previous event has opened up doors for future events.
Considering in the last couple of years we've now had regular qualifiers for WCG for both USA and CAN, we've had a LAN party, we've had increased leagues and more competition and now CFCN, Tencent and Smilegate are intending on having a Season 2 for CFS, and maybe more in either case our version will somehow be involved.
So yes, Carbon has paved the way, like many teams from our version in the past, for more opportunities for competitive play in our version and in international competition.
The trolling attitude from a few people in this thread and various others around the competitive forums is no longer appreciated. Your posts are not adding anything to any discussion positive or negative, you're just posting for the sake of hearing (or seeing) your own voice. If we see that the trolls continue to act this way then we'll just remove you from the competitions. We're here for your benefit, if you don't see it that way then so be it. You can step aside and let the people who want to compete do so. -
Invited as in didn't win a qualification tournament.[GM]Saidin wrote: »Not entirely sure where you're getting your information.
Both Hammertime and Carnage competed at WCG 2012?
I'm also curious to what is false about saying that the competitive nature and showing of each previous event has opened up doors for future events.
Considering in the last couple of years we've now had regular qualifiers for WCG for both USA and CAN, we've had a LAN party, we've had increased leagues and more competition and now CFCN, Tencent and Smilegate are intending on having a Season 2 for CFS, and maybe more in either case our version will somehow be involved.
So yes, Carbon has paved the way, like many teams from our version in the past, for more opportunities for competitive play in our version and in international competition.
The trolling attitude from a few people in this thread and various others around the competitive forums is no longer appreciated. Your posts are not adding anything to any discussion positive or negative, you're just posting for the sake of hearing (or seeing) your own voice. If we see that the trolls continue to act this way then we'll just remove you from the competitions. We're here for your benefit, if you don't see it that way then so be it. You can step aside and let the people who want to compete do so.
Outside of LifeLine @ WEM, no NA team has actually been "invited" to play in a tournament.
In a lot of tournaments known teams are outright invited and don't have to go through any sort of qualifier. -
kingdooper wrote: »Invited as in didn't win a qualification tournament.
Outside of LifeLine @ WEM, no NA team has actually been "invited" to play in a tournament.
In a lot of tournaments known teams are outright invited and don't have to go through any sort of qualifier.
At least there are qualifiers for those events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t6hgggxEZQ -
kingdooper wrote: »In a lot of tournaments known teams are outright invited and don't have to go through any sort of qualifier.
My apologies for misreading the fine print on that.
Considering the roster changes both Lifeline and Hammertime have gone through in a span of days or months following some of those tournaments it's very unfortunate.
In fact, originally when we were given notice of this event (CFS) the only event we were going to do was an invite only tournament to qualify. But after going through the names and rosters of clans it was clear none of what we wanted to invite was actually around in some sort of form we could use.
Like name changes, CFNA players and clans have a lot of issues with staying with one name or one group. The constant in-fighting and drama makes it very difficult for us, as a company, to find a group of people and promote them specifically.
Yes, that means a group of people has to stay together for more than 3 months, because events for the most part aren't coming every week. But how difficult is it to stay together as a group for 3 months? Or even keep the same name??
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