Conclusion to Red Dot Theory, BIGGER issues
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HEADlovesu wrote: »Money doesn't grow on trees, and when the time comes and you're in a rush, you run to the nearest store and get what you can
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Doumatjee456 wrote: »Here 50 dollar for a decent webcam to record your crossfire games!
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he also doesnt have the money to keep buying things to show that hes legit. -
Long story short, the competitive scene for this game is absolute garbage. Reason being is that an online qualifier for an INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT GUARANTEED $5,000 had no anti-cheat program. Pathetic. Personally I believe xfamousx had done something illegal, based off his competitive history of not winning ANY IMPORTANT online tournaments since he's played this game. Not trying to bash him at all, but when a player that has accomplished nothing in this game wins a huge online tournament, he better have some credentials, instead of being infamous for cheating lol. Grats on the win though, I understand players can get better over time after practice.
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Long story short, the competitive scene for this game is absolute garbage. Reason being is that an online qualifier for an INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT GUARANTEED $5,000 had no anti-cheat program. Pathetic. Personally I believe xfamousx had done something illegal, based off his competitive history of not winning ANY IMPORTANT online tournaments since he's played this game. Not trying to bash him at all, but when a player that has accomplished nothing in this game wins a huge online tournament, he better have some credentials, instead of being infamous for cheating lol. Grats on the win though, I understand players can get better over time after practice.
The rest of his team has had past success in the competitive scene. Brando, Gandhi, and harvey have all been to lans before. It was a team effort, 1 person doesn't make his team. -
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Really quick giving my input...
Since Erick participated in the tournament himself, we did our best to keep him away from making decisions on CFGL to avoid a conflict of interest.
That led to me making the executive decisions but also consulting those who were around me. I was the "Head Admin" for CFGL. Saidin did have the final say though. I didn't do anything that wasn't approved by him first. Not to say I didn't have any say because Saidin did rely on us to make the tournament run as smooth as it did. Honestly, besides this whole famous red dot theory, that tournament went quite well. I didn't have any complaints and we did our best on the short amount of time that was given to us.
I do have to say that Jpurvis had NO say in xFamousx using webcam for recording. He was not approached by either Andre nor Famous and I'm not sure why he is making any statements to say otherwise. He was apart of the support team but mainly assisting with streaming. He also assisted in recording checks for the teams who were disputed. I just wanted to clear that up.
Now, those of you who want to contest that we weren't consistent with the rules, we were allowed to change them at any time. It says it in our rule set. At least the one we used for CFGL because it was CFL Rules. People were aware of Famous using webcam because he used it in CFL and we used CFL rules for CFGL.
I was approached by Ghandi (Andre) and famous about recording with webcam and I approved it. If somebody else wanted that option, they could of approached us and asked. We preferred bandicam but webcam was pretty much the same thing in our eyes. Both ways of recording have their flaws, but they get the job done. That was the best we could do.
Z8Games / G4Box / Smilegate isn't responsible for providing an anti cheat. That's a league's job. We as an organization that was asked to run the tournament failed to provide that. We didn't have the resources to do that at that time. We pushed for an anti cheat as much as we could but it just didn't work out. We had to work with what we have.
Overall, we definitely take this as a learning experience to provide the best services as a league and provide our partners, who were Z8Games at the time, with tournaments ran in high standards. We are working on an AC as we speak and do not plan to move forward until we do have one. -
I do have to say that Jpurvis had NO say in xFamousx using webcam for recording. He was not approached by either Andre nor Famous and I'm not sure why he is making any statements to say otherwise. He was apart of the support team but mainly assisting with streaming. He also assisted in recording checks for the teams who were disputed. I just wanted to clear that up.
Good point!
Something that i've noticed and needs to be addressed by both CFL Staff and z8 staff and no offense to the big homie Purvis, but he needs to be told that he is not STAFF for either of those.
It seems as he walks around thinking he is sorta apart of z8 or apart of CFL and he makes decisions and answers questions on the behalf of them.
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Really quick giving my input...
I was approached by Ghandi (Andre) and famous about recording with webcam and I approved it. If somebody else wanted that option, they could of approached us and asked. We preferred bandicam but webcam was pretty much the same thing in our eyes. Both ways of recording have their flaws, but they get the job done. That was the best we could do.
This right here is why you are having issues with running events. Malice pointed it out in his thread and I've seconded then point. You changed a rule. Bandicam's reduce ingame FPS/input/lag/pickyour poison, ergo are a handicap that is universally accepted by every player.
You cannot make an exception, and you made it. End of story. I don't think he cheated a single bit, but this was a terrible judgement call. If you want to make ANY rule change, it must be agreed upon by all parties involved with the event. No offer was extended to any other team to use a webcam.Now, those of you who want to contest that we weren't consistent with the rules, we were allowed to change them at any time.
Yes rules can be changed. BEFORE events or before matches start, clearly posted on a forum or a website with all members properly informed. This is not a crutch to allow you to make a last minute call or decision without communicating with everyone. Each event has a specific set of rules to each event, regardless of the last. Quoting what was or what was not allowed before is irrelevant. -
We are not obligated to consult other parties which I assume you mean other teams before we can make the change. It wasn't announced (which what we should of done) but we have the final say on the rule set. If we wanted the input of others, we would have asked but we aren't obligated to ask anybody if they are okay with us changing our rule set.
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We are not obligated to consult other parties which I assume you mean other teams before we can make the change. It wasn't announced (which what we should of done) but we have the final say on the rule set. If we wanted the input of others, we would have asked but we aren't obligated to ask anybody if they are okay with us changing our rule set.
You don't need to ask. You need to NOTIFY us that the rules are being changed for whatever reason. When people dispute telling the admins of a tournament to check for the players' bandicams, you're pretty much lying considering that not everyone is technically "bandicamming". -
You don't need to ask. You need to NOTIFY us that the rules are being changed for whatever reason. When people dispute telling the admins of a tournament to check for the players' bandicams, you're pretty much lying considering that not everyone is technically "bandicamming".
like for realllllllll
"using something different in place of bandicam is BASICALLY LYING"
d00d
you need to likeeee
not go for technicalities. its embarassing
tournament admins and stuff have the power of arbitration, they dont NEED to do anything
like really
just admit that the other teams got outplayed and drop the issue
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So what are you suggesting then? I've already stated that was the mistake I made. It should of been announced but it wasn't. I didn't lie to anybody. Are you suggesting that not being able to use a webcam affected your team or other teams game play? If this was a real issue for people, it should of been brought up when it was time to play. If using bandicam wasn't ideal for people, I would of been expected to been approach, as Famous and Andre did, to request a different recording device.You don't need to ask. You need to NOTIFY us that the rules are being changed for whatever reason. When people dispute telling the admins of a tournament to check for the players' bandicams, you're pretty much lying considering that not everyone is technically "bandicamming".
We use the word "Bandicam" but would it of mattered to you if it was fraps? Probably not since they do the same thing. It also wouldn't of mattered to us as long as you were recording the game. Being more specific in our rule set is something we will focus on but like I have stated already, we will not be using bandicam anymore for CFL. This is a learning process for CFL & other organizations / leagues that come in. I take what I take from what happened and moved on. I do respect your opinion and appreciate the feedback from everybody.
"A league created by the players, for the players" is something we really want others to recognize. We aren't here trying to profit out of any of this but to do it out of our own time to help build the community. We are doing our best to make CFL the ideal league for everybody. This is part of the process in my eyes and this is what is going to help CFL grow as a league. -
Ellustrial wrote: »like for realllllllll
"using something different in place of bandicam is BASICALLY LYING"
d00d
you need to likeeee
not go for technicalities. its embarassing
tournament admins and stuff have the power of arbitration, they dont NEED to do anything
like really
just admit that the other teams got outplayed and drop the issue
d00d
Who are you? Just curious, I'm trying to state an idea I'm not using it as an argument.So what are you suggesting then? I've already stated that was the mistake I made. It should of been announced but it wasn't. I didn't lie to anybody. Are you suggesting that not being able to use a webcam affected your team or other teams game play? If this was a real issue for people, it should of been brought up when it was time to play. If using bandicam wasn't ideal for people, I would of been expected to been approach, as Famous and Andre did, to request a different recording device.
We use the word "Bandicam" but would it of mattered to you if it was fraps? Probably not since they do the same thing. It also wouldn't of mattered to us as long as you were recording the game. Being more specific in our rule set is something we will focus on but like I have stated already, we will not be using bandicam anymore for CFL. This is a learning process for CFL & other organizations / leagues that come in. I take what I take from what happened and moved on. I do respect your opinion and appreciate the feedback from everybody.
"A league created by the players, for the players" is something we really want others to recognize. We aren't here trying to profit out of any of this but to do it out of our own time to help build the community. We are doing our best to make CFL the ideal league for everybody. This is part of the process in my eyes and this is what is going to help CFL grow as a league.
Not trying to criticize here if that's what you think I'm doing. It's just a lesson for the future that rules are rules, just like the law is the law. You break em, and you pay for the consequences. No other explanation needed. -
Overall, we definitely take this as a learning experience to provide the best services as a league and provide our partners, who were Z8Games at the time, with tournaments ran in high standards. We are working on an AC as we speak and do not plan to move forward until we do have one.
an at least 5000$ learning experience. -
So what are you suggesting then? I've already stated that was the mistake I made. It should of been announced but it wasn't. I didn't lie to anybody. Are you suggesting that not being able to use a webcam affected your team or other teams game play? If this was a real issue for people, it should of been brought up when it was time to play.
no no no no no
no
You messed up. It's cool. Were all here to work together, trust me on this one. We are all spending time and money we don't have to try to make this work. In saying this, stop throwing excuses left and right for a mistake. End of story you do not change a rule and not tell anyone. There is no grey area in this.
Sometimes it's better to fess up and don't give an excuse.
Example: I should not have thrown a hissy fit at alvin before lan. I was a butt. I apologied, gave him a hug and a gift at lan. End of story. I had no reason to do what I did regardless of the circumstances.We are not obligated to consult other parties which I assume you mean other teams before we can make the change. It wasn't announced (which what we should of done) but we have the final say on the rule set. If we wanted the input of others, we would have asked but we aren't obligated to ask anybody if they are okay with us changing our rule set.
Obligated? No. However being a community run entity, you should rely on your community for input on changes. When we made major decisions at lan, a full discussion was had with our staff leaders, and both teams were directly informed of ruling and reasons for them before continuing (Such as a disconnect, round loss, weapon use, ect ect ect) and were allowed to voice their input and opinions on ruling before they were made. We also announced any major changes well in advance if we were required to do as as issues arose during the tournament. -
lol I cannot believe people are still going on about famous.. I've been gone about a year or so and prior to that he was dating a good friend of mine. And I've played against/along side the kid numerous times and everyone in that old circle of players has had gobs of proof that the poor kid has been chamming for years.. Some things never change I suppose..
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I'm going to close this up for now. Not because the discussion has gone downhill but because the points have been made.
At this point the conversation looks like this:There are flaws to the system.While I certainly appreciate the points, bringing the same point up multiple times within this thread does nothing but continue to feel like an attack on the system.
Flaws were admitted to, apologized for and addressed.
But there are flaws in the system which lead to this controversy.
Those flaws were admitted to, apologized for and addressed.
But those flaws led to the red dot theory and the problems with the tournament.
Those flaws were admitted to, apologized for and addressed.
etc.
Please try not to blame the CFL for this. If anything Z8Games and myself will take the full blame. I had the ultimate say on how the finals were conducted, it is my fault the grey area was created. That being said, had another team won I'm sure we wouldn't be talking about this.
The facts remain at this- A player was allowed to use a webcam to record the match
- *I* Had the final say on this and allowed that to happen without realizing the consequences
- I've apologized for that and explained the reasons for allowing it in the first place, and talked about how this was a learning experience
- I've taken the time to discuss the serious accusations that were made against this player and pointed out the flaws in the hackusation argument
- After our investigation we found no reason to exercise the power we had to dq Carbon from representing CF NA at the CF Stars tournament
- I've personally talked to the people involved, including Purvis about actions and conduct relating to this matter
- We're scheduling further discussion with the CFL in order to improve on the future events. With WCG coming up and possibly more tournaments and lans we need to ensure Anti Cheats are used and that there is black-and-white enforcement of any particular rule set
Thanks for the reply, but there were still flaws that were your fault.
Which ultimately doesn't do anything but loop us around to the beginning and open this discussion up for additional flaming, trolling or arguing.
So with that we'll put this one to rest.
This discussion has been closed.
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