Dat dot theory
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Famous could've gotten away with cheating because of the bad quality.
1) Mavs video isn't "evidence"... lol
2) Even if people can cheat without the webcam recording it, they can't say "well if it's possible then he definitely did it". There's no actual proof showing he cheated so they will most likely be going to China.
I doubt famous will perform at LAN like he does online. -
Nothing that is brought to light will change anything regardless of which side you are providing evidence for. There is no way to prove without a doubt he is legit or cheating due the bad quality of the recording. The problem at hand is that the higher-ups are concluding that one side is right and will do anything to disprove evidence suggesting otherwise. I have my own opinion just like everyone else does, but LAN will tell.
No you're right, you just state your opinion in a hostile manner to others who don't side with you (not a shock, anyone who disagrees with you is disrespecting you apparently). But I digress, there is no solid evidence to even suggest that famous was cheating. The videos mav made were bogus obviously (I feel bad since he probably skipped school to make them) as his evidence was faulty and half the time when he was pointing at a supposed red dot there wasn't anything there, anyone who took that evidence as proof of famous cheating is an absolute moron.
edit: still waiting for the cops to show up at my door. -
Nothing that is brought to light will change anything regardless of which side you are providing evidence for. There is no way to prove without a doubt he is legit or cheating due the bad quality of the recording. The problem at hand is that the higher-ups are concluding that one side is right and will do anything to disprove evidence suggesting otherwise. I have my own opinion just like everyone else does, but LAN will tell.
When a person believes something, they exclude evidence to the contrary of their current belief system.
maveloff already believed that xFam0usx was a cheater. No neutral party looking at the videos can even see most of the red dots, and that is with maveloff using the red filter to enhance the colors. Those dots that can be seen are
a. attributed to motion blur,
b. attributed to preexisting red markings on the minimap,
c. and are nowhere in the vicinity of actual living players.
Furthermore, LAN events are often not indicative of a player's online, ping-based skill. For example, xFam0usx relies on his constant advantage of peeking (due to his ping). This will be virtually nonexistent at a LAN. With that said, several cheaters in the past have done extremely well at LAN events. Also with that said, several legitimate online players have done terribly at LAN events.
Regarding the "higher-ups"...they would not risk sending a cheater to an officially sanctioned event if there were even a shred of evidence against him. They would disqualify the team, and allow the second-place team to compete in their stead. Correcting a mistake does not look foolish; it looks professional and business-oriented. There is no "bias" that the "higher-ups" have, no subtle reason for discounting evidence for the contrary. -
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The quality will hide the actual dots, and a kill switch that can be turned on
We're revisiting this point because most people have missed the fact that this hack has a cross hair used at the center of the map for the ESP hack portion of it.
This is clearly shown on the Bandicam footage used in this "famouscheats" video.
I would like to compare that to video footage that is being used to support the red dot theory which will clearly show in that example there is no hack being used.
While it is very difficult to determine this from the actual web cam footage, we have shown here that this hack will show up in bandicam if it is used. And to further put to rest most of the footage that is being used to create a red dot theory is false accusation.
Compare the center of the maps.
The 2 on the left are ones using a hack. Both from the video posted by the person now banned, and our hack investigation team (using bandicam). Yes, the high quality photo clearly shows dots. However it also clearly shows the Crosshair for this particular hack.
The two on the right are taken legitimately. One from myself in another game earlier. And one from a "bust" video in which red dots are clearly being pointed out at the very time of that video, yet the chevron is clearly not shown to have a cross hair on it. Even in the blurryness. -
Saiden is a beast! Would have never noticed that and that's an extremely good point.[GM]Saidin wrote: »We're revisiting this point because most people have missed the fact that this hack has a cross hair used at the center of the map for the ESP hack portion of it.
This is clearly shown on the Bandicam footage used in this "famouscheats" video.
I would like to compare that to video footage that is being used to support the red dot theory which will clearly show in that example there is no hack being used.
While it is very difficult to determine this from the actual web cam footage, we have shown here that this hack will show up in bandicam if it is used. And to further put to rest most of the footage that is being used to create a red dot theory is false accusation.
Compare the center of the maps.
The 2 on the left are ones using a hack. Both from the video posted by the person now banned, and our hack investigation team (using bandicam). Yes, the high quality photo clearly shows dots. However it also clearly shows the Crosshair for this particular hack.
The two on the right are taken legitimately. One from myself in another game earlier. And one from a "bust" video in which red dots are clearly being pointed out at the very time of that video, yet the chevron is clearly not shown to have a cross hair on it. Even in the blurryness. -
Furthermore, LAN events are often not indicative of a player's online, ping-based skill. For example, xFam0usx relies on his constant advantage of peeking (due to his ping). This will be virtually nonexistent at a LAN. With that said, several cheaters in the past have done extremely well at LAN events. Also with that said, several legitimate online players have done terribly at LAN events.mmmmmmmZACH wrote: »When he does shlt at LAN which he will, Then we can all talk lol.
Refer to the quote above dumbass. -
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There's a lot of grey area in that screenshot.
For one, the red dots are much larger, also the chevron is still obscured. Either by other players or by the hack.
Also, if you have a particular hack that works why use it? Wouldn't the game be better off with you reporting it? -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »There's a lot of grey area in that screenshot.
For one, the red dots are much larger, also the chevron is still obscured. Either by other players or by the hack.
Also, if you have a particular hack that works why use it? Wouldn't the game be better off with you reporting it?
theres grey areas in like every aspect of this.
Someone points out one thing (ie; that new bust video ) you shut it down with another.
not sure what you mean by that last part; that was a picture from google.
and yes, obviously the game would be better off if reported, but why would someone report a cheat they're so using O_O -
theres grey areas in like every aspect of this.
Someone points out one thing (ie; that new bust video ) you shut it down with another.
not sure what you mean by that last part; that was a picture from google.
and yes, obviously the game would be better off if reported, but why would someone report a cheat they're so using O_O
A) that's what happens when you use a guilty before innocent attitude (not you directly, the royal "you")
Meant that this particular image is taken from a hack, which we are aware of, which still obscures the chevron. So this hack wasn't used either (in the cases where we can clearly see the chevron). Hope that makes sense. -
mmmmmmmZACH wrote: »I don't need to read a post to put out a opinion, Hes going to do horrible at lan.
I guess you're one of the people Jon was referring to, it's much easier to grab a pitchfork and join the mob rather than trying to comprehend things you don't understand. -
please stop ck you runescape nerd.I would like to open my response by saying; I think it is fishy that there are artifacts in his screen, explanation or not, just fishy.
You sound like a complete idiot.
Playing well online would just indicate a higher chance of playing well at LAN.
It's like writing a test, if you do all your homework and do well without problems, even being nervous on a test you will still perform. LAN is a test, online performance(homework) is not relevant, LAN performance(test) is whats relevant because when important events come around like CFGL LAN(exam) how you perform and the results out of that will stick with you for the rest of your career. If a player is really worried about being 'nervous at lan', than he shouldn't go and instead get some help- its playing a video-game.
Everybody at LAN will have 0 ping, its an entirely different game, but fair. Nobody sees you before you see them.
Even if xfam0usx did cheat, he's still going to china. Backing him up is much easier than going to smilegate and saying "hey we ran our cfgl tournament and a cheater won, and we just busted him 2 weeks after the fact, can we please send the runner-up?". What would they think of us? To conclude, whatever ones opinions is over this hot button issue, its not for debate. xfam0usx is going to china, there is little to no opposition, it is out of the communities grasp.
Just my 2 cents -
[GM]Saidin wrote: »A) that's what happens when you use a guilty before innocent attitude (not you directly, the royal "you") Meant that this particular image is taken from a hack, which we are aware of, which still obscures the chevron. So this hack wasn't used either (in the cases where we can clearly see the chevron). Hope that makes sense.
btw Saidin; there is a pretty popular hack site that was posted in a private CF facebook group earlier, the guy said he reported it but wanted a more 'popular?' play to relay the info to you.
can pm for the site. -
btw Saidin; there is a pretty popular hack site that was posting in a private CF facebook group earlier, the guy said he reported it but wanted a more 'popular?' play to relay the info to you.
can pm for the site.
You can also let a MOD know. -
Probably the most logical post I've read in this thread in relation to him playing online vs playing at LAN.When a person believes something, they exclude evidence to the contrary of their current belief system.
maveloff already believed that xFam0usx was a cheater. No neutral party looking at the videos can even see most of the red dots, and that is with maveloff using the red filter to enhance the colors. Those dots that can be seen are
a. attributed to motion blur,
b. attributed to preexisting red markings on the minimap,
c. and are nowhere in the vicinity of actual living players.
Furthermore, LAN events are often not indicative of a player's online, ping-based skill. For example, xFam0usx relies on his constant advantage of peeking (due to his ping). This will be virtually nonexistent at a LAN. With that said, several cheaters in the past have done extremely well at LAN events. Also with that said, several legitimate online players have done terribly at LAN events.
Regarding the "higher-ups"...they would not risk sending a cheater to an officially sanctioned event if there were even a shred of evidence against him. They would disqualify the team, and allow the second-place team to compete in their stead. Correcting a mistake does not look foolish; it looks professional and business-oriented. There is no "bias" that the "higher-ups" have, no subtle reason for discounting evidence for the contrary.
While your arguments and points does make a lot of sense, I think the outcome of how he does at LAN will not necessarily be determined by how he plays online. That is not to say that anything said was false. Indeed you can do very well online and do bad at LAN, or vice versa. Same idea as writing a test. You can do all your homework, study hard, and still derp at the test and your mind breaks down. Same at LAN. Anything can happen.I would like to open my response by saying; I think it is fishy that there are artifacts in his screen, explanation or not, just fishy.
You sound like a complete idiot.
Playing well online would just indicate a higher chance of playing well at LAN.
It's like writing a test, if you do all your homework and do well without problems, even being nervous on a test you will still perform. LAN is a test, online performance(homework) is not relevant, LAN performance(test) is whats relevant because when important events come around like CFGL LAN(exam) how you perform and the results out of that will stick with you for the rest of your career. If a player is really worried about being 'nervous at lan', than he shouldn't go and instead get some help- its playing a video-game.
Everybody at LAN will have 0 ping, its an entirely different game, but fair. Nobody sees you before you see them.
Even if xfam0usx did cheat, he's still going to china. Backing him up is much easier than going to smilegate and saying "hey we ran our cfgl tournament and a cheater won, and we just busted him 2 weeks after the fact, can we please send the runner-up?". What would they think of us? To conclude, whatever ones opinions is over this hot button issue, its not for debate. xfam0usx is going to china, there is little to no opposition, it is out of the communities grasp.
Just my 2 cents
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