Dat dot theory

xfamOusx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xgB5oUPrk&feature=youtu.be - original webcam Watch here to see me put bandi in 1920x1080 at 100quality and 60fps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCe6mWFQVuE&feature=youtu.be - frame by frame vid, blanks out for like a min and a half. 2:55-4:23 buuut i'm not redoing this, waste of goddamn time yooooo, and you still get the message without that 1 1/2 min.
and after watching this, I don't even think I highlighted the reds at all in my vids lmao. it didn't change when I turned it off. Imagine how bright they would have been if I had've.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5FaxAcluGw&feature=youtu.be - original bandi.

Watch these first if you havent yet, especially 1 and 2.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlnZuwxP2Sc - Video explaining how the supposed "red dots" appeared. The scandalous "dot" at B bridge on BW is explained in here also. It's the goddamn stairs. idk what specific time and I'm not going to search for it.

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NomnScgSns - Video by Denxi showing that none of the "red dots" were near people. Plus, half the time there were either too many dots or not as many dots as there are people.

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCqWtdUL8bs Video showing my original footage of the rounds showing you all the sounds I heard, all the things I seen, and all the calls that were made.


To mods, since I'm not hac.kusating or showing any hac.ks, I hope this thread can stay up. Lock this thread so no dumbass comments can get it locked either ploxies.

Another edit about the ridiculousness of mav's video:
[22:01] FG | Jon: good video
[22:01] FG | Jon: if anyone doesnt believe it now, ill make a video to tell the people who still believe you cheat to drink bleach and they'll become superman
[00:51] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: **that pablo video was here**
[00:51] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: LMFAO
[00:51] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: pablo
[00:51] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: made that
[00:51] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: sayingi do that
[01:13] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: im gonna do a replica of the last video, but closer to my screen for these kids
[01:15] FG | Jon: as for the ha.ck pablo mentioned
[01:15] FG | Jon: the math fro mthe original video proves it wrong too
[01:15] FG | Jon: what's your fps ingame
[01:15] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: about 200 without bandi
[01:15] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: 170ish with
[01:15] FG | Jon: 200 frames / second
[01:15] FG | Jon: camera records at 30
[01:16] FG | Jon: recording 30 of 200
[01:16] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: meaning?
[01:16] FG | Jon: let me do the math
[01:16] FG | Jon: hold on lol
[01:16] FG | Jon: so its recording roughly
[01:16] FG | Jon: 1/6th of the original frames
[01:17] FG | Jon: 1/6th of 60 seconds is 10 seconds loss every minute
[01:18] FG | Jon: ok lkets just say
[01:18] FG | Jon: theres no camera at all
[01:18] FG | Jon: 200 frames per second
[01:18] FG | Jon: if you toggle on/off
[01:18] FG | Jon: its still hard to see at that rate
[01:18] FG | Jon: depending on how you fast you can see the minimap
[01:18] FG | Jon: even if you were looking at it
[01:19] FG | Jon: most of the times it appearewd is when you where shooting
[01:19] FG | Jon: so how can you shoot
[01:19] FG | Jon: make calls
[01:19] FG | Jon: and think strat
[01:19] FG | Jon: at the same exact time as toggling
[01:19] FG | Jon: and looking at your minimap
[01:19] FG | Jon: 200 down to 30 frames, so 170 fps loss and it only appears for ~3-5 frames
[01:19] FG | Jon: 200 > 30 > 3 frames
[01:20] FG | Jon: 3 divided by 60 = 0.05 seconds
[01:20] FG | Jon: 0.05 seconds = 50 milliseconds
[01:20] FG | Jon: so if you can see a red blip on a map
[01:20] FG | Jon: in 50 milliseconds
[01:20] FG | Jon: turn it off
[01:20] FG | Jon: react
[01:20] FG | Jon: and play
[01:20] FG | Jon: you are a ****ing GOD
[01:20] FG | Jon: and if you are a god
[01:20] FG | Jon: why do you need cheats
[01:20] FG | Jon: LOL
[01:22] FG | Jon: so to re-clarify
[01:22] FG | Jon: 30 frames per second downscaled from 200
[01:22] FG | Jon: 30 frames / second and the red dots appear for 4 frames
[01:22] FG | Jon: 4 divided by 30
[01:22] FG | Jon: = 0.13
[01:23] FG | Jon: 0.13 seocnds = 130 milliseconds
[01:23] FG | Jon: meaning it toggled on / off in 130 milliseconds
[01:23] FG | Jon: anyway
[01:23] FG | Jon: going ingame now
[01:23] FG | Jon: l8r
[01:26] twitch.tv/tdlxfam0usx: youre a ***ing baws

ALLAHDABEST

Dumbass comment numba 1

del1zor1g

inb4 d1ck rider head comes in

ADAMISGOD

you still cheat

sukoisbest

Just prove 'em wrong on LAN bro

Jaden72

omgitsSUKO wrote: »

Just prove 'em wrong on LAN bro

effing this ^ suko for president

pretoguy

omgitsSUKO wrote: »

Just prove 'em wrong on LAN bro

effing this ^ suko for president

del1zor1g

mirageoL wrote: »

you still cheat

if this is you landon, stfu and go suck more **** at cs go thanks bro

FG_Jon

Like I said, the simple math proves that it isn't possible to react in that amount of time.

Nevertheless, I've given him a few more tips/ideas to try and convince those of you who still believe he is indeed cheating. Seems many of you who do not understand the situation fully (the technicalities and whatnot) or aren't tech savvy stand by the claims even now while disregarding all facts/evidence probably because you do not understand them and simply find it easier to pick up a pitch fork and join the mob.

There will be a point where he'll just stop trying because no matter what, some of you will always think that he is cheating regardless of the mountains of evidence and logic against it provided by many people. (Denxi/[GM]Saidin/myself/Concept_/others.)

del1zor1g

FG_Jon wrote: »

Like I said, the simple math proves that it isn't possible to react in that amount of time.

Nevertheless, I've given him a few more tips/ideas to try and convince those of you who still believe he is indeed cheating. Seems many of you who do not understand the situation fully (the technicalities and whatnot) or aren't tech savvy stand by the claims even now while disregarding all facts/evidence probably because you do not understand them and simply find it easier to pick up a pitch fork and join the mob.

There will be a point where he'll just stop trying because no matter what, some of you will always think that he is cheating regardless of the mountains of evidence and logic against it provided by many people. (Denxi/[GM]Saidin/myself/Concept_/others.)

why is jon not mod yet

Envsnnn

We'll see how well you do at China.

ALxian

He doesn't cheat lol
n1ggsJUSTblow

Werdna88

Its like the people who hop in a game and put the ace up right away because the only hacks get ace... no matter what the same people do not follow logic or understand skill and will still think you hack.
But for the rest of us who made it out of grade 4 the vids are fun

on3ek

so the admins delete all the threads that involve this **** and when famous makes one they dont delete it....
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

aR_zona

QualEOMambo wrote: »

so the admins delete all the threads that involve this **** and when famous makes one they dont delete it....
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Because he's not breaking any rules...

Saidin

QualEOMambo wrote: »

so the admins delete all the threads that involve this **** and when famous makes one they dont delete it....
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Last I checked this was not a hackusation thread.

Last I checked there was plenty of quality discussion allowed for and against this issue in this thread:

http://forum.z8games.com/showthread.php?t=249001

Last I checked we made it abundantly clear that repetitive spam threads would be closed.

If everyone had contained their discussion in one thread that would likely have been only closed if it got out of hand, let alone be removed entirely.

The problem was, everyone doesn't understand that we all read the threads in their entirety. They are too used to the necessary need to be the first person to post something in a thread, and then care less for what kind of response that thread is going to make. And instead of responding within the thread, they are more likely to go make another one.

There are still plenty of appropriate threads to debate the subject with civility and logic. If your point is "there are red dots therefore the player must be hacking", then you have made your point known previously and it's unnecessary to post that same illogical argument over again without acknowledging the proof against it.

In addition, there is no need to swear.

HEADsucks

It amazes me how the leader of frost gaming is not convinced that he cheats while the top team of frost gaming believes he cheats. Come to think of it, both the fg teams believe he cheats...
#fg.carbon

Speak_Truth

Hop on xfre Head please.

S-N-I-P-E-S

If (which most likely will) famous gets carried every half I'm going laugh as long as I can and watch famous deteriorate from this community because of how much of a fake he is

drennnnnn

Sorry if this was already posted (?) didnt read op / and sorry delete if against rules.

but anyone check this out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4y28mDb1o

good parts at 2:40 and 350 - busts most of saidin's original post about
needing a ui for the cheat in game / colours normally being green

drennnnnn

CeeKayyy wrote: »

so he can see dots and we cant?

with the quality like that, we can not, but he can see them perfectly.
He also has a kill switch, for printscreens, or whatever else you wanna do with it,
along with a UI that runs in the background of crossfire.

Would be a key piece of evidence for saidin to hold on to, assuming he's still taking evidence in.

gandhiiiii

drennnnnn wrote: »

with the quality like that, we can not, but he can see them perfectly.
He also has a kill switch, for printscreens, or whatever else you wanna do with it,
along with a UI that runs in the background of crossfire.

Would be a key piece of evidence for saidin to hold on to, assuming he's still taking evidence in.

what would that evidence suggest? He didn't even use bandicam, he recorded live.

Saidin

drennnnnn wrote: »

Sorry if this was already posted (?) didnt read op / and sorry delete if against rules.

but anyone check this out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU4y28mDb1o

good parts at 2:40 and 350 - busts most of saidin's original post about
needing a ui for the cheat in game / colours normally being green

How so?

In order for him to activate that hack at 2:40 he has to use the hack UI. Turning it off and on requires this function. Or to change the size of the dots in real time, as was hypothesized in the accusation video.

And the hack changes the colors of both friend and enemy at the same time. (in which we could have seen with other colors than white).

And the hack doesn't limit the dots to the actual radar. Which we would have seen with dots outside the radar screen.

And yes, that video has been shown, and the user has been subsequently banned for using a hack in game. Demonstration or not.


Also, notice that the dots in some cases aren't actually accurate to the player positions. It's a large pixel put over time. So when scaled the position becomes inaccurate.

on3ek

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

How so?

In order for him to activate that hack at 2:40 he has to use the hack UI.

And the hack changes the colors of both friend and enemy at the same time. (which we would have seen with other colors than white).

And the hack doesn't limit the dots to the actual radar. Which we would have seen with dots outside the radar screen.

And yes, that video has been shown, and the user has been subsequently banned for using a hack in game. Demonstration or not.


Also, notice that the dots in some cases aren't actually accurate to the player positions. It's a large pixel put over time. So when scaled the position becomes inaccurate.

you cannot pick sides like you are doing it.
and clearly you in famous side

at 3:07 he clearly states that theres a kill switch that'll turn on and off the cheat without exposing the menu

and if you look at the menu you can change your teammates colours or leave it at default

drennnnnn

[GM]Saidin wrote: »

How so?

In order for him to activate that hack at 2:40 he has to use the hack UI.

And the hack changes the colors of both friend and enemy at the same time. (which we would have seen with other colors than white).

And the hack doesn't limit the dots to the actual radar. Which we would have seen with dots outside the radar screen.

And yes, that video has been shown, and the user has been subsequently banned for using a hack in game. Demonstration or not.

What........?
You turn the hack on, and go. It will hide in the background for the rest of the game.
The quality will hide the actual dots, and a kill switch that can be turned on and off the entire game, elimating the need to actually alt tab to change anything.

not 100% on keeping them in the radar or not, because its different circumstances,
that being a pub with like 16 people in. and also able to change settings to everything lol

Saidin

drennnnnn wrote: »

What........?
You turn the hack on, and go. It will hide in the background for the rest of the game.

Sorry I misunderstood.

It still doesn't stop the fact that the hack is not designed to keep the 'dots' within radar range.

It also doesn't explain why some dots would appear and some wouldn't. This hack keeps the dots, no matter the size uniform. So if he's made them small enough, then we would see all the players. And not just the 1 or 2 he happened to kill.

In addition to that, how would it explain that the dots don't line up with the actual player positions in game when compared to the stream footage?

Andre_j

drennnnnn wrote: »

What........?
You turn the hack on, and go. It will hide in the background for the rest of the game.
The quality will hide the actual dots, and a kill switch that can be turned on and off the entire game, elimating the need to actually alt tab to change anything.

not 100% on keeping them in the radar or not, because its different circumstances,
that being a pub with like 16 people in. and also able to change settings to everything lol

Bottum line - 1.) famous didn't use bandi so it wouldn't matter. 2.) the dots expose all players 3.) the timing of the apparent "toggles" in mav's videos are way to fast for someone to recognize normal. FG JON did the math on it on some other thread.

chrisss_tyb

Sort of funny that that video is exactly the hack that I said it could've been when this whole hackusation issue started.

on3ek

Andre_j wrote: »

2.) the dots expose all players

if you look at the menu you can change your teammates colours or leave it at default

drennnnnn

I'm just trying to point out a new piece of information.
It was first stated; colours are green/yello with a UI
and now we see there are custom colours and NO UI. Theres kill switches, different settings for the radar, ect.

BlitzedmaN

drennnnnn wrote: »

I'm just trying to point out a new piece of information.
It was first stated; colours are green/yello with a UI
and now we see there are custom colours and NO UI. Theres kill switches, different settings for the radar, ect.

Nothing that is brought to light will change anything regardless of which side you are providing evidence for. There is no way to prove without a doubt he is legit or cheating due the bad quality of the recording. The problem at hand is that the higher-ups are concluding that one side is right and will do anything to disprove evidence suggesting otherwise. I have my own opinion just like everyone else does, but LAN will tell.