Making better streams!
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famous pretty much hit it. Just advertise as much as possible, as early as possible.
Yap.
CFGL is being rushed, so obviously this isn't the best time to be racking up the stream views. However, once CFL Season 2 hits, hopefully Erick will be able to tighten up scheduling and be able to announce match streams ample time in advance.
Another thing that nobody has spoken of is making the pub community fans. I'd be willing to bet that if more people cared about the outcome of a match, you'd get more people watching said match. What would be interesting to see is whether or not teams (Specifically established teams, aka LifeLine, Carnage, Hammertime, etc.) can garner a larger fanbase just by dropping by the Barracks every so often to post.
Segregation of the competitive and pub communities is a double edged sword; it's needed in order for both communities to survive without wanting to tear the others' throat out, but at the end of the day we still rely on the pub community for things like fresh players or stream views/support. Something for an organization like CFL to try would be attempting to attract the interest of Clan Server teams. It would be interesting to see what kind of results would come from running both a casual and competitive league. Hell, it doesn't even have to involve making a casual based league, but I can't think of another example atm.
Something JPurvis said which kinda surprised me was the in-game billboards. Yeah, obviously we can't expect a map update every week, but for a major event like CFGL I would think it would have been easy and effective to swap out the billboard pics with some advertising. Something to think about :O
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Available time. They are a blast to watch but it took me two days after the carbon vs carnage match tto watch it. Mind you it was epic and worth the watch even with some of the annoying naration. "We're not lifeline" and "looks like another fg lan here" lmao.
Sorry I did not get to watch this one live either, idk more annoncements. Perhaps in game during the week would help *shrugs* -
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[MOD]Denxi wrote: »Yap.
CFGL is being rushed, so obviously this isn't the best time to be racking up the stream views. However, once CFL Season 2 hits, hopefully Erick will be able to tighten up scheduling and be able to announce match streams ample time in advance.
Another thing that nobody has spoken of is making the pub community fans. I'd be willing to bet that if more people cared about the outcome of a match, you'd get more people watching said match. What would be interesting to see is whether or not teams (Specifically established teams, aka LifeLine, Carnage, Hammertime, etc.) can garner a larger fanbase just by dropping by the Barracks every so often to post.
Segregation of the competitive and pub communities is a double edged sword; it's needed in order for both communities to survive without wanting to tear the others' throat out, but at the end of the day we still rely on the pub community for things like fresh players or stream views/support. Something for an organization like CFL to try would be attempting to attract the interest of Clan Server teams. It would be interesting to see what kind of results would come from running both a casual and competitive league. Hell, it doesn't even have to involve making a casual based league, but I can't think of another example atm.
Something JPurvis said which kinda surprised me was the in-game billboards. Yeah, obviously we can't expect a map update every week, but for a major event like CFGL I would think it would have been easy and effective to swap out the billboard pics with some advertising. Something to think about :O
Just keep in mind that more advertising can come from BOTH the official side or the community side of things.
We will have a Match of the week for sure, with other matches we will randomly choose to stream during that week.
We would like to have some sort of casual league. We are currently trying to figure out a way to draw in pub/clan server teams/clans.(We have gone over everything we believe could do this, we're thinking it through before we announce anything) -
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Segregation of the competitive and pub communities is a double edged sword; it's needed in order for both communities to survive without wanting to tear the others' throat out, but at the end of the day we still rely on the pub community for things like fresh players or stream views/support. Something for an organization like CFL to try would be attempting to attract the interest of Clan Server teams. It would be interesting to see what kind of results would come from running both a casual and competitive league. Hell, it doesn't even have to involve making a casual based league, but I can't think of another example atm.
Something JPurvis said which kinda surprised me was the in-game billboards. Yeah, obviously we can't expect a map update every week, but for a major event like CFGL I would think it would have been easy and effective to swap out the billboard pics with some advertising. Something to think about :O
I've been trying to get teams like Veracity, WAL, etc into more tourneys and leagues. From what I think, since they haven't been in the competitive scene it is a certain kind of "scare" for them to join tourneys then when they lose they are discouraged by the "ego-8" players. We play eachother in clan server all the time, we both win and lose matches against each other.
Us in In Theory rarely play in echo-8 and the reason why I call it ego-8 is why. The ego's are so inflated they have to talk trash when they are winning (some is fine, but typically it is overboard) or when they are losing they will rejoin or bring in a 6th player (or have a nade speccer play a few rounds as a 6th person.) Even "respected" teams such as SprayOPS have done this to us. I'm not sure whether it is because we primarily play in clan server and we don't garner their respect or what. But when the score is 7-6 first half for us then 4-6 second half and we kill 5 people making the round 5-6 (tied and easily winnable) then a 6th player kills off the rest of the team ending the match.
Even in matches we're underestimated. In the predictions for Presidential Cup round 1 from what I remember every team picked NomNom to beat us. Most likely because not many have played us or seen us at our full potential. Then the match ends up being 18-3. Us being underestimated made us underestimate ourselves as well.
My point is, it is discouraging to come into a competitive community full of huge egos who endlessly trash talk and make for a "not so nice" community which scares the semi-competitive and non-competitive far away from putting any effort to even trying the competitive side out.
I left your billboard idea in the quotes because I liked it. Maybe a once a month patch updating the billboards on new leagues or community events would be amazing. -
_Imparavel_ wrote: »purvis, try putting that option on twitch where the viewer can switch between 240,480,720,1080p. And make the stream a bit less laggy since the last time it was a bit laggy.
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We have bunch of Brs in alpha which never go to the forums , there are also players in alpha that only pub so they dont really care about these kind of event lool , not to mentioned we only advertised these events in the competitive section only , go and advertised it in Barrack , but as I stated , people dont really care about these stuff since they only pub you know ?
I also agreed with the guy from In Theory , the ego part but still in presidential cup I the voting part , Nom Nom at least participate in tourny and leagues more than you guys , so it is obv ppl gonna vote for the team they know , it is not that they look down on you guys , it's because they havent seen u guys play. Those clans in alpha should try to participate in further events that the competitive community offers like draft, pug , scrims ,etc, dont mind the trash talk lol its common , ppl will still trash talk EVEN WHEN THEY ARE LOSING lool , it doesnt matter if they are winning or losing , its just a habbit haha so dont mind it u can just close regular chats and ignored them whatever. -
Is it just me, but I find that the competitive section hasn't been updated in a long time there's still info from when Lpk and LL went to wem. How about we give it a new look, so update it more frequently and advertise it.
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Does anyone remember the old Lifeline vs Trio cast? That drew in some views. I think this is primarily due to the fact that you used to find the good teams in the Clan Server. They were more established. Back in the day, I would play Trio/LifeLine/Throne/Whomever in the clan server and that caused a lot of players to aspire to progress in this game. Such as myself.
I remember when Erick simply wasn't good at this game, same with Jkeith(NOID). Things have changed dramatically. They were exposed to good players when they were of moderate skill levels and it allowed them to progress and reach they point they currently are at. The Clan server IS competitive to the average crossfire player. Perhaps the competitive community should take control of it again. I'm well aware of the flaws of the clan server, it's just a suggestion and perhaps a solution to the general population of decent crossfire players lack of interest/knowledge. We kind of dug our own graves on this one, boys. -
My point is, it is discouraging to come into a competitive community full of huge egos who endlessly trash talk and make for a "not so nice" community which scares the semi-competitive and non-competitive far away from putting any effort to even trying the competitive side out.
Oh yeah, I'm more than happy to admit this. Hell, that's the main basis of my post.I left your billboard idea in the quotes because I liked it. Maybe a once a month patch updating the billboards on new leagues or community events would be amazing.
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I just specified it :ODoes anyone remember the old Lifeline vs Trio cast? That drew in some views. I think this is primarily due to the fact that you used to find the good teams in the Clan Server. They were more established. Back in the day, I would play Trio/LifeLine/Throne/Whomever in the clan server and that caused a lot of players to aspire to progress in this game. Such as myself.
I remember when Erick simply wasn't good at this game, same with Jkeith(NOID). Things have changed dramatically. They were exposed to good players when they were of moderate skill levels and it allowed them to progress and reach they point they currently are at. The Clan server IS competitive to the average crossfire player. Perhaps the competitive community should take control of it again. I'm well aware of the flaws of the clan server, it's just a suggestion and perhaps a solution to the general population of decent crossfire players lack of interest/knowledge. We kind of dug our own graves on this one, boys.
I don't see a migration to the clans server being a solution. IMO the fact that there's an established "Scrim Channel" you can go in, spam 5, and be almost certain that the other team will be respecting the standard rules is pretty awesome, and something that should be kept as a standard.
HOWEVER, the thing I said in my original post about established teams dropping by the barracks once in a while can be applied here pretty easily :O You can have a presence within the Clan Server without giving up Echo 8.
Now, whether or not teams will be willing to be a presence (and a POSITIVE one at that) is questionable. However there are other options that have already been touched upon, an example being CFL running (semi-)weapon-restricted league with Clan Server teams in mind. Really both of these things are just mediums for the bigger issue, that being providing some sort of
relatability between the two communities. Whether it be from casual players admiring competitive ones, or from simply establishing some form of standard ruleset in that community, the end goal is still the same, since they both provide easier access into the competitive community.
EDIT: I was thinking about comparisons to Soldier Front's old competitive community, which had divided the community in a similar fashion (CH13 teams and CH10 teams). I can actually remember the specific moment and shot when I got completely out-peeked by the opposing sniper and was like "holy jesus I wanna be able to do that." The reason that that stuck was specifically because how the opposing team reacted to completely destroying our team; no gloating, a yes to a rematch, and a couple words of encouragement in response to a compliment I gave said sniper. After that point, all the **** that the community could conjure up on the forums didn't matter. -
something that might also help if z8 would update the dam Competitive button next to clan. Maybe put stream links, ongoing tournaments, upcoming tournaments/drafts there. That might promote... Also alot of people would rather be playing than actually watching these live streams, yet I love watching streams; commentators are just awesome
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Honestly, this just sounds way more like you got smashed, and then butt hurt, and ran back to the clan server where you could 9-0 brs all day. So now your making excuses about why the clan server is "better"Us in In Theory rarely play in echo-8 and the reason why I call it ego-8 is why. The ego's are so inflated they have to talk trash when they are winning.
Then the match ends up being 18-3. Us being underestimated made us underestimate ourselves as well.
My point is, it is discouraging to come into a competitive community full of huge egos who endlessly trash talk and make for a "not so nice" community which scares the semi-competitive and non-competitive far away from putting any effort to even trying the competitive side out.The Clan server IS competitive to the average crossfire player. Perhaps the competitive community should take control of it again.
All respect (or the iota I had for you) is now gone. The clan server almost single handedly killed this game competitively, and it set it back by around 2 years. To state the just plain horrible idea of wanting to migrate the entire competitive community back to a broken, glitchy, awful br infested cheat zone, clan server is literally the most idiotic thing I have ever heard mentioned on these forums. Why would anyone ever think to migrate to the thing that almost killed competitive play in this game when it should be the exact opposite?
As for the stream issue, theres around 4 reasons of varying degrees.
#1 - The "promotions/announcements" for the streams is god awful. 3/4 of the time there mentioned around 2 hours before the start of the match, and if they do get actual week long announcements there usually cancelled or delayed for hours. It's really not that hard kids, get your **** together on this one.
#2 - Casting quality is usually also awful, not only is it plagued by delays or people having "real life" issues. We usually either end up with a streamer who is lagging and skipping every 5 seconds (no one wants to watch this) or casters with stutters, monotone voices, voices that only their mothers could love, or just plain stupidity when it comes to actual gameplay. So many casters have the problems of either literally just dictating the action such as "Player A kills player B and C" and thats all we ever hear from them. They don't talk about the game, things going in the community, or just some commentary for people to hear. Please watch a sports casting and just see how they talk, because they don't just sit there in silence until someone scores a basket. (People like david live/bruce should not be casting unless its a last resort, they are REALLY bad.)
#3 - This game simply does not have a big competitive following.
#4 - fps streams are truly boring to watch. Unlike LoL or starcraft, there isn't constant head to head fighting with some teams sitting back and doing exactly zero things until 40 seconds left in the round, it really creates a boring atmosphere to watch, even cs, with it's much faster gameplay has this problem. The 2nd part to this is that fpses are more complex when it comes to the strategys and much more dynamic then the LoL gameplay. In league even a simple silver player can understand the strategy during casts and why one team is doing what they are doing at the moment, where as in Cf the average player has no idea what a choke point or hold spot is. We need casters are intelligent and know about the games strategys to explain to the viewers on what is actually happening during the game so that the viewer has an incentive to actually watch said cast. -
Honestly, this just sounds way more like you got smashed, and then butt hurt, and ran back to the clan server where you could 9-0 brs all day. So now your making excuses about why the clan server is "better"
He isn't saying the clan server is better. His post is there only to point out the generally negative stigma towards the clan server, that being that everybody sucks and isn't worth the time. He's just using his one match's result as an example of said stigma. -
ego-8 is right.
There are clan war server teams that can roll most e8 teams.
Detox. Trix, and Trio come to mind.
Detox doesn't scrim.
Trio is not a clan war team.
Maybe you should actually try playing in e8 before you start judging. I used to have the same mentality until I decided to actually try it. Most people aren't that egotistic and let their game play do the talking.something that might also help if z8 would update the dam Competitive button next to clan. Maybe put stream links, ongoing tournaments, upcoming tournaments/drafts there. That might promote... Also alot of people would rather be playing than actually watching these live streams, yet I love watching streams; commentators are just awesome
This is a great suggestion. Be great to see this implemented. -
All respect (or the iota I had for you) is now gone. The clan server almost single handedly killed this game competitively, and it set it back by around 2 years. To state the just plain horrible idea of wanting to migrate the entire competitive community back to a broken, glitchy, awful br infested cheat zone, clan server is literally the most idiotic thing I have ever heard mentioned on these forums. Why would anyone ever think to migrate to the thing that almost killed competitive play in this game when it should be the exact opposite?
I really don't care if you respect me or not. I'm not suggesting a full on merge but hopping on for fun once and awhile wouldn't cause any harm. There's teams that are ALMOST at the skill level required but lacking by the practice against good players. They could just as easily hop over to Echo 8 but that would require them to be treated half decently and people actually willing to play them. Is there a solution? Hell if I know. Also, reread what you have just typed and tell me you sound like a functional young adult? You sound like a tool. Sorry to step up to the pulpit but you see how Denxi replies to a post and see how you do? There's a large difference in maturity. I'm a 21 year old man, last thing I need is to read some nerd which is not respected in this community bad mouthing me for no reason. Learn to conduct yourself beta before stepping to a fresh out of jail, alpha male. -
I like the name lulzwutI really don't care if you respect me or not. I'm not suggesting a full on merge but hopping on for fun once and awhile wouldn't cause any harm. There's teams that are ALMOST at the skill level required but lacking by the practice against good players. They could just as easily hop over to Echo 8 but that would require them to be treated half decently and people actually willing to play them. Is there a solution? Hell if I know. Also, reread what you have just typed and tell me you sound like a functional young adult? You sound like a tool. Sorry to step up to the pulpit but you see how Denxi replies to a post and see how you do? There's a large difference in maturity. I'm a 21 year old man, last thing I need is to read some nerd which is not respected in this community bad mouthing me for no reason. Learn to conduct yourself beta before stepping to a fresh out of jail, alpha male.
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seems my post about how bad this game is disappeared thanks to denxi
This game has awful registry, interp, anti-cheat, and the servers are setup horrible; not to mention this community is full of awful players playing the only game they will ever be good at. -
SketchTape wrote: »seems my post about how bad this game is disappeared thanks to denxi
This game has awful registry, interp, anti-cheat, and the servers are setup horrible; not to mention this community is full of awful players playing the only game they will ever be good at.
Welcome to the #1 MMOFPS game in the world. -
You remind me of a woman. You just nag and nag and don't know when to shut up. I could tolerate it more if you had a sleek sexy body and a nice voice to tell me not to pee on the toilet seat but that's not the case. I'm engaged. Get off my tail. I didn't say "take over". I said enlighten the uneducated. You wouldn't pay to see a band you didn't know, you might not watch a team you don't know.
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"The Clan server IS competitive to the average crossfire player. Perhaps the competitive community should take control of it again."
What?!?!?!?
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