Considering the Moderators of CF.
Let's be honest the MOD's are strongly protected by cross fire's rules and regulations. In general that would be the perfect thing to do but like Dr. phil says: "Every penny has 2 sides".
I have been watching the MOD's and i'm not impressed by the least.
Some MOD's tend to let everybody know(or seem to purposely awaken that assumption) that nothing can happen to them and NO I won't be calling names.
I think Saidin should rethink the rules and/or who he lets in the MOD team because I often see MOD's making derogatory remarks towards other forumers. There is also a MOD that was part of a thread that was full of those and still that MOD got his/her position as a MOD. I personally think that this gives the impression that MOD's are better than forumers and no one cares about MOD's breaking rules. It seems as if there is no MOD etiquette they abide .
At the end of the day we are all people,so why do they get such protection and why do they get to behave as if they would never get demoted?
Also when closing a thread often MOD's tend to leave a VERY provocative comment.
Which will make a lot of forumers create a 2nd thread even though it's against the rules.
eventually that thread will get closed and the MOD wins...
This is always the case even when the MOD was ALSO wrong in that case
As for my suggestion: Moderators should be less protected and be more exposed to the danger of being demoted.
There should be a sticky thread about the rules MOD's have to follow when dealing with the forumers.
for example: We are only allowed to PM Saidin or a MOD with problems or contacting support.
Which is destroying any possibility to practice pressure on a MOD or having a well mannered debate.
What usually happens is that a MOD just closes a thread and we just have to deal with it. They don't even have to explain it when it's not a logical decision.
Also when something happens between 2 forumers how come we are not allowed to know whether they are punished or not. It's all in secrecy which allows the forumers not to be ideal "watchdogs" they should be. I am NOT saying forumers should decide what should be but we should be able to express our feelings about certain things. Because of this vague system people will break the rules because they never notice when others get punished.
And others see MOD's do it or admit that MOD's do it too so why can't they break the rules too?( I don't endorse breaking the rules of cross fire)
This whole secrecy "between MOD and so assumed parties" is not working,it is a forum everyone can see what happens so everyone is involved in whatever matter by just reading a thread or witnessing something happen.
The professional MOD only comes out when critics have spoken their sharp opinions about certain actions. Recently I had to make a thread before disgusting posts got deleted or even censored. As I was simply trying to point out a MOD faulty decisions as a response my whole thread got cleaned of reactions and he did what he should have done from the start. The rules don't allow to even correct a MOD even if it's for the sake of the essential rules.
I am not saying I want to make the rules, I just want to let it be heard that not everyone follows the rules so something about the system is not effective. So can you please think about the positions MOD's have in this forum because in my eyes and many others it isn't the right spot for them.
This is not about MOD's conduct it's about a suggestion on MOD's in general& rules.
p.s. I kindly ask from the MOD's not to close this but please do remove inappropiate posts. I want to see what the community and Saidin has to say about this.
I have been watching the MOD's and i'm not impressed by the least.
Some MOD's tend to let everybody know(or seem to purposely awaken that assumption) that nothing can happen to them and NO I won't be calling names.
I think Saidin should rethink the rules and/or who he lets in the MOD team because I often see MOD's making derogatory remarks towards other forumers. There is also a MOD that was part of a thread that was full of those and still that MOD got his/her position as a MOD. I personally think that this gives the impression that MOD's are better than forumers and no one cares about MOD's breaking rules. It seems as if there is no MOD etiquette they abide .
At the end of the day we are all people,so why do they get such protection and why do they get to behave as if they would never get demoted?
Also when closing a thread often MOD's tend to leave a VERY provocative comment.
Which will make a lot of forumers create a 2nd thread even though it's against the rules.
eventually that thread will get closed and the MOD wins...
This is always the case even when the MOD was ALSO wrong in that case
As for my suggestion: Moderators should be less protected and be more exposed to the danger of being demoted.
There should be a sticky thread about the rules MOD's have to follow when dealing with the forumers.
for example: We are only allowed to PM Saidin or a MOD with problems or contacting support.
Which is destroying any possibility to practice pressure on a MOD or having a well mannered debate.
What usually happens is that a MOD just closes a thread and we just have to deal with it. They don't even have to explain it when it's not a logical decision.
Also when something happens between 2 forumers how come we are not allowed to know whether they are punished or not. It's all in secrecy which allows the forumers not to be ideal "watchdogs" they should be. I am NOT saying forumers should decide what should be but we should be able to express our feelings about certain things. Because of this vague system people will break the rules because they never notice when others get punished.
And others see MOD's do it or admit that MOD's do it too so why can't they break the rules too?( I don't endorse breaking the rules of cross fire)
This whole secrecy "between MOD and so assumed parties" is not working,it is a forum everyone can see what happens so everyone is involved in whatever matter by just reading a thread or witnessing something happen.
The professional MOD only comes out when critics have spoken their sharp opinions about certain actions. Recently I had to make a thread before disgusting posts got deleted or even censored. As I was simply trying to point out a MOD faulty decisions as a response my whole thread got cleaned of reactions and he did what he should have done from the start. The rules don't allow to even correct a MOD even if it's for the sake of the essential rules.
I am not saying I want to make the rules, I just want to let it be heard that not everyone follows the rules so something about the system is not effective. So can you please think about the positions MOD's have in this forum because in my eyes and many others it isn't the right spot for them.
This is not about MOD's conduct it's about a suggestion on MOD's in general& rules.
p.s. I kindly ask from the MOD's not to close this but please do remove inappropiate posts. I want to see what the community and Saidin has to say about this.
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[MOD]Andre wrote: »If you have a problem with any moderator you can PM Saidin and he'll sort it out facing the evidence.
As for the mod rules/conduct, we have such thing, otherwise our conduct would be a mess.
I already PM'd Saidin ,I also contacted support. I understand that it was intended to prevent messy situations but I still believe everything can handle small changes to get closer to a more balanced&perfect situation. -
Mods are people to. Theyll like to have fun but when it comes down to it they are as professional and abide by the MOD CoC as much as possible. Several Mod's have been dropped because they werent doing their Mod job properly on the forums.
No that doesn't count me before people start off on that... I was never dropped -
Giggletron wrote: »Mods are people to. Theyll like to have fun but when it comes down to it they are as professional and abide by the MOD CoC as much as possible. Several Mod's have been dropped because they werent doing their Mod job properly on the forums.
No that doesn't count me before people start off on that... I was never dropped
just when I was hoping we would have a thread with no off topic discussions.tastylime54g wrote: »Yes you were dropped.
That's what the thread about,how private everything is and also the attitude some MOD's have and other similar things.BeFasterKid wrote: »The action moderators do is a private matter. How can you judge the way MODs do their job in the first place?
I already filed a complaint but I am glad you noticed , proves that I am not crazy=pTalonblaze wrote: »There's also always support tickets as well.
Crossfire -> Complaints
Besides, more forumer's would abuse the knowledge of what a MOD can or cannot do with the MOD CoC visible.
But I've been noticing less polite responses from a few lately. -
That's what the thread about,how private everything is and also the attitude some MOD's have and other similar things.
Give me an example of MOD behaviour as it should be and as it is now. And tell me again how you are able to judge moderators from taking action to players who can't behave. It is private, so you can't know. -
I can judge them by the followed actions when people complain or make a statement. The process of doing the right changes quickly.BeFasterKid wrote: »Give me an example of MOD behaviour as it should be and as it is now. And tell me again how you are able to judge moderators from taking action to players who can't behave. It is private, so you can't know.ManNextDoor wrote: »For all you MOD haters, why don't you try being a good MOD. I think the MODs do a great job! Just not in the past few days.
I know,but I don't want to create the impression MODs are supposed to be perfect but there are simple things that just can't take place or non-MOD like. Just for the record I've been a MOD multiple times. -
doophwaiting wrote: »It really isn't hard at all.
I believe almost everyone here know when to close a topic, swearing is bad and stuff like that. Being MOD is easy and you will only receive credits if you're online and post much lovely post of how you love the community and blablabla.. -
just when I was hoping we would have a thread with no off topic discussions.
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That is unlikely to happen on any forums whatsoever. I could enforce the rules like mad and delete everything that is off-topic, but I tend to not be so strict. Though, if they continue, I'll gladly delete their posts.That's what the thread about,how private everything is and also the attitude some MOD's have and other similar things.
A lot of the things are private for a reason. If everyone knew when we gave users infractions or warnings, other users would create threads or PM us because of infractions/warnings that they think should not have been set. We already have a lot of people taking stuff like infractions and such in public already, and we do not need more. If someone got a problem with an infraction and/or warning that has been set, they should PM the Mod who set it.
This community also has a mood that tends to switch a lot. Sometimes the community is all good, but there are often times when the community goes down the drain. Like after the CCC tournament was finished, that proves how bad this community can be at times. (Even though this was not the whole community, it still is a nice example) So if we decided to let you guys see how many infractions and warnings we give, then we'd most likely see one thread at least about an infraction on a daily basis. Though, I might be wrong, but after what I've read, that is what I believe.
This is also a reason to why we don't allow signatures, because people will eventually post sigs that are not allowed, just as they post pictures. There was one time where the idea of removing avatars was thought of because of the community's hatred towards Brazillians.
So, there is a reason to why certan things are hidden and why certain things are not. We also do have rules/conducts that we follow. We don't moderate the forum blindly. -
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[MOD]Sebbern wrote: »Like after the CCC tournament was finished, that proves how bad this community can be at times. (Even though this was not the whole community, it still is a nice example)
Not a very good example. A beloved figure of the community was wrongfully banned. He can't even compete in WCG now, and his team had a good shot at winning. -
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I do understand but not everyone follows that guideline that essentially derived from the rules. Which disturbs order in the community and staff team as a whole. Besides I do understand that certain things have certain reasons but that doesn't mean that other small things should not be bothered with,because eventually every small thing will swell up into some thing humongous, thanks a lot for deleting the posts![MOD]Sebbern wrote: »That is unlikely to happen on any forums whatsoever. I could enforce the rules like mad and delete everything that is off-topic, but I tend to not be so strict. Though, if they continue, I'll gladly delete their posts.
A lot of the things are private for a reason. If everyone knew when we gave users infractions or warnings, other users would create threads or PM us because of infractions/warnings that they think should not have been set. We already have a lot of people taking stuff like infractions and such in public already, and we do not need more. If someone got a problem with an infraction and/or warning that has been set, they should PM the Mod who set it.
This community also has a mood that tends to switch a lot. Sometimes the community is all good, but there are often times when the community goes down the drain. Like after the CCC tournament was finished, that proves how bad this community can be at times. (Even though this was not the whole community, it still is a nice example) So if we decided to let you guys see how many infractions and warnings we give, then we'd most likely see one thread at least about an infraction on a daily basis. Though, I might be wrong, but after what I've read, that is what I believe.
This is also a reason to why we don't allow signatures, because people will eventually post sigs that are not allowed, just as they post pictures. There was one time where the idea of removing avatars was thought of because of the community's hatred towards Brazillians.
So, there is a reason to why certan things are hidden and why certain things are not. We also do have rules/conducts that we follow. We don't moderate the forum blindly.
Example are not the problem,Also if I talk about my proof here the discussion will most likely go off-topic. I got a note of all examples/proof(still gathering) in a file, when Saidin or support team or whatever wants to discuss this ill show it to them.BeFasterKid wrote: »Those are some fancy words you're using. too bad you're not coming with examples and decend arguments. -
Yes it is. otherwise you would've given some already.Example are not the problem,
It already is. And no, it wont. It will actually lead to some points.Also if I talk about my proof here the discussion will most likely go off-topic.
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If you want to discuss this with Saidin and not with us. Why did you bother to create this thread in the first place?I got a note of all examples/proof(still gathering) in a file, when Saidin or support team or whatever wants to discuss this ill show it to them. -
Example are not the problem,Also if I talk about my proof here the discussion will most likely go off-topic. I got a note of all examples/proof(still gathering) in a file, when Saidin or support team or whatever wants to discuss this ill show it to them.
Good way to get banned from the forums. You sure you want to risk your account? -
BeFasterKid wrote: »Yes it is. otherwise you would've given some already.
It already is. And no, it wont. It will actually lead to some points.
If you want to discuss this with Saidin and not with us. Why did you bother to create this thread in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Because it would go off topic and if I post my proof here it would be about a user or a MOD and that is against the rules ,eventually i'd get my thread closed. It's just this system not allowing me to do these things. See what I mean? it's all a risk. -
doophwaiting wrote: »Good way to get banned from the forums. You sure you want to risk your account?
of course not ! I thought I could share freely that I have proof for them? what is wrong about that? It is still debatable whether it was worthless proof or not. I don't see why I could get banned for saying that I can prove the things I've said and I thought that was the whole point of PMíng someone or contacting support... -
doophwaiting wrote: »Not a very good example. A beloved figure of the community was wrongfully banned. He can't even compete in WCG now, and his team had a good shot at winning.
The example wasnt that sheepbacon was banned. The example was how people flooded three sections of the forums posting pictures of sheeps and bacon.
@op: Anyway, the forums is not a proper place to even discuss these kinds of things, as posted by others a lot of times. If you got a problem with the Mods, the rules or how they enforce them, then contact Saidin or the support. No one here can do anything about it. There isn't really a reason to have a debate about how the Mods enforce the rules either, because a normal user got nothing to do about it. So I'll close the thread.
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