Wrong kick vote punishment
I really don't play Crossfire anymore. When I do I play well, and as a result get kicked. I got Cf Br and few months ago but don't play it. I was reading the rules with the help of Google Translate. It turns out you could get banned for a wrong kick vote! I think this is great and something like this should be put in the game. There could be a new option to record the vote, like replay which you can only keep if you get kicked. You can send it to support and there is another option to find out who kicked you. If the kick was justifiable, you were cursing, hacking, idling, etc, you wont get a punishment. However, if it was random there will be a punishment. Here is the way I see the punishments should go.
1-5:NONE: reason may think you hacked we're not always right on these
6-10: Mute in game for 24h starts when you log on
11-20: Can't kick vote for 3 games each day on the fourth you may must be in the 3 games until end/5 mins
21-30 ban doesn't take away honorable solider (6h)
31+ Kick vote is taken away
Resets each month
Does anyone else think this is a good idea? A person who kicks for fun could easily get 10 reports if player used this. This might scared people into kicking hackers, idlers, etc.
Post your thoughts
P.S.:SORRY IF THIS IS BORING TO READ
1-5:NONE: reason may think you hacked we're not always right on these
6-10: Mute in game for 24h starts when you log on
11-20: Can't kick vote for 3 games each day on the fourth you may must be in the 3 games until end/5 mins
21-30 ban doesn't take away honorable solider (6h)
31+ Kick vote is taken away
Resets each month
Does anyone else think this is a good idea? A person who kicks for fun could easily get 10 reports if player used this. This might scared people into kicking hackers, idlers, etc.
Post your thoughts
P.S.:SORRY IF THIS IS BORING TO READ
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I think there should be punishments to to learn the community what is and isn't hack.
Maybe a GP decrease, EXP decrese or having kick vote privileges removed.GetBodiedCF wrote: »I got Cf Br and few months ago but don't play it. I was reading the rules with the help of Google Translate. It turns out you could get banned for a wrong kick vote!
Yes and they also ban people for kicking people for what type of gun they use.
I saw a GM reply to a thread where the thread started posted screen shots of ppl spamming "kick the kriss noob F11" in PT and the admin said he'll deal with the player and if there are any further problems to report them.
CF BR staff seem willing and able to make their version one of the best whilst this version gets neglected largely. -
Impossible to monitor. You can't look into a person's head and see if his motives for kicking you are pure, and not for some BS reason.
That is why any review would take place on a valid reason basis rather than "was his motives pure".
Myself I think starting with replay reports would be a good idea, start giving reporters feedback which educates them and warns the reporter about invalid reports and start temp banning constant false reporters.
Reports are supposedly reviewed and a decision is reached, therefore it wouldn't be that difficult to inform the user whether the report was valid or not. This would do two things; clear up the cry babies and teach them that even Z8 said they weren't hacking and also help in a way to keep the report system from being flooded by noobs hence freeing it up to do its job which improves the game for everyone. -
That is why any review would take place on a valid reason basis rather than "was his motives pure".
Myself I think starting with replay reports would be a good idea, start giving reporters feedback which educates them and warns the reporter about invalid reports and start temp banning constant false reporters.
Reports are supposedly reviewed and a decision is reached, therefore it wouldn't be that difficult to inform the user whether the report was valid or not. This would do two things; clear up the cry babies and teach them that even Z8 said they weren't hacking and also help in a way to keep the report system from being flooded by noobs hence freeing it up to do its job which improves the game for everyone.First, there would have to be a replay. The person kicked won't have access to that replay, and a person who kicks someone for the wrong reason is not going to send in a replay. Therefore, there is no replay that can be reviewed by support.
Second, because we are dealing with people here, noobs aside, mistakes are likely to be made. What may have seemed like hacking during the game, which was the cause of the kick, may no seem like hacking once the replay is reviewed by the player that did the kicking. Again, no replay will be send in to be reviewed by support.
Third, since noobs can't tell the difference between a good player and a hacker, because they lack the knowledge of what hacks do exactly and what to look for to spot a true hacker, false reports will be made, even though the motives of the kicker/reporter were indeed pure. Support can't just punish people for lacking the ability to spot real hacking.
And finally, there is a reason why support doesn't reply back to hack reports. Reviewing over a million replays takes enough time as it is. If you also have to reply on each report, it will take twice as long. Furthermore, it doesn't do anyone any good. If a hacker does gets caught, and a noob gets word of it, he will start to gloat on the forum, which is an offense. If a player's name is cleared by support, the noob will just think what they always think. That the hacker is a ZP buyer, and that they are covering their paying customers.
There is no winning this. It's time consuming, and it leads to more problems than it solves. -
1) is kinda obvious frecklez (that is like saying you cant implement something because it isn't implemented yet:rolleyes:)
2) Sure false reports will still be made the point is to reduce them not eliminate them entirely - You do understand that total elimination is impossible to achieve?
3) Punishing noobs and false reporters is the only way to educate these people, unless you know of a better way.
4) Total idiocy, like they will personally write a replay:rolleyes: - All it takes is a very simple system using auto reply using a template, the reviewer clicks a "Hack" or "No hack" button and a reply is sent, could even be set to auto punish false reports too. -
Impossible to monitor. You can't look into a person's head and see if his motives for kicking you are pure, and not for some BS reason.
I know you can't look into someones head for the motive. This is why after you get kicked there could be a save kick replay button. This wont be like a regular replay, it will show chat, kicks, and other features to make it easier on gms. If you were cursing, idling, hacking, and whatever other reasons there are to kick and get kicked and report it you'll be punished. If you're playing without breaking any rules and get kicked you may report them and let the gms see if this kick is justifiable. The person kicked wont see it replay? Of course they will why wouldn't they? Like Chimpzz said "you cant implement something because it isn't implemented yet." To your second reason the punishments allow for mistakes, 5 in fact even if they have the time to go report you. You see how few people report hackers, how it wastes their time? Five strikes is enough! Third, the reason this will be put in is for noobs. Why would there be a reply? -
It would be a nice idea to at least keep the kills after you get kicked.
I mean, usually when I'm getting kicked I'm doing far better than my KDR.
It's already annoying I don't get the kills for doing i.e. daily for and could've done it 2 games but takes 5+ games because I get kicked the whole time. -
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What you are asking for requires an elaborate change to the current system. Changes that can't be tested any other way than through player usage. You can imagine that developers aren't too keen to make such changes, right?
And how many innocent victims of this new system would you consider an acceptable loss? -
What you are asking for requires an elaborate change to the current system. Changes that can't be tested any other way than through player usage. You can imagine that developers aren't too keen to make such changes, right?
What would exactly be elaborate? The OP says in in another version already and all Crossfire versions are made by one company Smilegate.
Even adding a system into reports wouldn't be that difficult and would be worth it even if it took a week to code rather than a day or two, as it would prevent false reports and free up the system to deal with hackers than affect everyone.And how many innocent victims of this new system would you consider an acceptable loss?
Well what do they lose according to this suggestion:
1-5:Nothing
6-10: Muted in game for a day to give them a break from the constant crying and finger ache that comes with such
11-20: Can't kick any more legits for 3 games per day
21-30 They lose their ribbon
31+ They can't kick at all since they don't know how to use it anyway.
And it the numbers stay on par with the amount of innocent players kicked per day then it's an "acceptable loss" esp when these said players deserve it. -
this system needs to be changed, but it's not worth for z8games. People still play and pay for it, doesn't matter how sh*tty it is. If they would change it they would work on something that doesn't makes any money for them.
Just look at all the changes that have been made in the last months. -
If it helps players why should it matter if it's hard to put in. If Z8games makes an effort to put it in OK if not whatever. Most of these suggestion really aren't put in the game. What about a loss? If you kick someone by mistake they wont always report you. A foreign player might not be able to understand how to report someone. If you do kick someone innocent and get reported see the first page. Any loss wouldn't be a big one I can't see people crying or complaining if they had 5 strikes and they get a mute. They can still play or wait it out.
but this will really grief the gms and mods who will see this replays because just a wrong kick o.O 
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