VOTE KICK - Suggestion to implement Non-Kickable Room Host
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TimStryker wrote: »I have the feeling some people arent fully reading through my suggestion here...There would in fact be very few hackers that are also Non Kickable Room Hosts. And why is that? Cuz there would be a high rank requirement to be a Non Kickable Room Host in the first place.....Second Lieutenant or higher is just a thought. Reason I suggest that rank is it takes a loooooong time & loooooots of game play to acquire that rank.
Number 1 - most noobs that are gonna use their account to hack on that account, arent going to make it to that high rank to begin with.
Number 2 - most people arent stupid & careless enough to risk losing their high ranked account by using hacks when they do finally get their account to that high level.
Number 3 - these players would be under far more scrutiny then anyone else, not only cuz of their high rank, but especially if they have a cool privilege like being a Non Kickable Room Host.
Guarantee you, players would be far more quick to report any high ranked player that is being a Non Kickable Room Host & also using hacks.
Bottom line, anyone stupid or careless enough to use their high ranked account to hack, wont be doing so for long. Theyll get a suspension & if they keep it up, they will lose their account altogether. They know this, thats why MOST players with a high rank account like Second Lieutenant or higher wont use hacks to begin with.
But the bottom bottom line is, most players, as in 90-95%+ with a high ranked account, like Second Lieutenant or higher, wont be using hacks with their account. Yes there are some here & there but it is verrry far & few in between. You just dont see very many high ranked accounts using hacks for the very reasons Ive pointed out. So it would be something like for every 100 games you play, you might see 5 room host hackers...& even that is over compensating, but just for the sake of the argument...those are still good odds. Realistically, you might be lucky to see only 2-3 players hacking total, out of 100 different high ranked room hosts that youd play with...
On another note though, I do also like the idea of a room host being able to chose whether or not to allow vote kick in their room. I think also having a high rank requirement for that option would be important though. But I think thats a very good idea too. ( :
I agree with that entirely, there are no logical arguments against it.
I even suggested adding a paid factor into this type of system to add an additional barrier to prevent abuse and to limit the numbers who have it.
The truth is though many will argue against any such idea even with the abuse factor being very small because it would affect them directly i.e not being able to do what they normally do = Abusing the kick vote function. -
I agree with that entirely, there are no logical arguments against it.
I even suggested adding a paid factor into this type of system to add an additional barrier to prevent abuse and to limit the numbers who have it.
The truth is though many will argue against any such idea even with the abuse factor being very small because it would affect them directly i.e not being able to do what they normally do = Abusing the kick vote function.
Ty, I feel the same way lol. There are no logical arguments against it that I can think of or that Ive yet to see. Thats why I simply dont agree with the assertion that - Oh noes hackers will ruin it, cuz that simply isnt logical & isnt the case. Anyone thats played this game long enough should know that. There just arnt that many players that will hack with such a high rank account. Thats why this seems like a pretty solid idea & a win win situation all around.
And I agree the payment option would definitely help narrow that field even greater. Im not sure if it would really be needed though. But maybe kinda like how you have to pay to get a clan & a clan logo, there could be an option for a one time investment of like 5,000 zp or something. I wouldnt want to pay much more then that though. And I worry that might be unfair towards some other legit players that usually dont have the $ for zp period. But definitely a noteworthy thought. ( ; And im sure that would help persuade z8 into taking this suggestion more seriously. $ does usually make the world go round.
Im also very much on board with the option for a room host to chose whether to have vote kick or not too. Thinks that also a great alternative idea. Just would want to see some kinda cap or requirement in place like a high level account so that not everyone can use it & potentially abuse it.
And yes, seems you & I agree. Amidst the good & decent players, CF is still plagued by a plethora of immature kids & "noobs" in general that are always going to sway the discussion & votes in the wrong direction, against the more rational & logical mindsets & thinking, that some of the more seasoned players here have & try to exercise.
Theres times I hope & think to myself that z8 has to be aware of this & hope that they, as adults, take this into consideration.......Im also hoping this suggestion isnt just being ignored completely as I think it definitely warrants some serious consideration by the powers that be. Also the option for an appropriate room host to choose whether to have vote kick in their room or not. Im on board with that as well. -
TimStryker wrote: »I have the feeling some people arent fully reading through my suggestion here...There would in fact be very few hackers that are also Non Kickable Room Hosts. And why is that? Cuz there would be a high rank requirement to be a Non Kickable Room Host in the first place.....Second Lieutenant or higher is just a thought. Reason I suggest that rank is it takes a loooooong time & loooooots of game play to acquire that rank.
Number 1 - most noobs that are gonna use their account to hack on that account, arent going to make it to that high rank to begin with.
Number 2 - most people arent stupid & careless enough to risk losing their high ranked account by using hacks when they do finally get their account to that high level.
Number 3 - these players would be under far more scrutiny then anyone else, not only cuz of their high rank, but especially if they have a cool privilege like being a Non Kickable Room Host.
Guarantee you, players would be far more quick to report any high ranked player that is being a Non Kickable Room Host & also using hacks.
Bottom line, anyone stupid or careless enough to use their high ranked account to hack, wont be doing so for long. Theyll get a suspension & if they keep it up, they will lose their account altogether. They know this, thats why MOST players with a high rank account like Second Lieutenant or higher wont use hacks to begin with.
But the bottom bottom line is, most players, as in 90-95%+ with a high ranked account, like Second Lieutenant or higher, wont be using hacks with their account. Yes there are some here & there but it is verrry far & few in between. You just dont see very many high ranked accounts using hacks for the very reasons Ive pointed out. So it would be something like for every 100 games you play, you might see 5 room host hackers...& even that is over compensating, but just for the sake of the argument...those are still good odds. Realistically, you might be lucky to see only 2-3 players hacking total, out of 100 different high ranked room hosts that youd play with...
On another note though, I do also like the idea of a room host being able to chose whether or not to allow vote kick in their room. I think also having a high rank requirement for that option would be important though. But I think thats a very good idea too. ( :
How about the highest rank(s) in the room are able to kickvote only. Because in not every game are LT2. -
TimStryker wrote: »And I agree the payment option would definitely help narrow that field even greater. Im not sure if it would really be needed though. But maybe kinda like how you have to pay to get a clan & a clan logo, there could be an option for a one time investment of like 5,000 zp or something. I wouldnt want to pay much more then that though. And I worry that might be unfair towards some other legit players that usually dont have the $ for zp period. But definitely a noteworthy thought. ( ; And im sure that would help persuade z8 into taking this suggestion more seriously. $ does usually make the world go round.
Sure, I wouldn't pay much either at least non regularly, as it kinda sucks paying cash out to not be kicked for shooting people in a FPS.
Regarding the non zp buyers - Well they can benefit still by playing in rooms where the host is a friend/clan member or a player they respect. -
Sure, I wouldn't pay much either at least non regularly, as it kinda sucks paying cash out to not be kicked for shooting people in a FPS.
Regarding the non zp buyers - Well they can benefit still by playing in rooms where the host is a friend/clan member or a player they respect.
I have no friends who play regularly. My clan is dead. I don't buy a lot of ZP. I'm still a Master Sergeant after about a year of playing. I'm a legit player. There are many players in Crossfire like me, and I'm advocating for them. I hope you take us into consideration.
Many high ranking players do hack. They just hide it really well. I was only able to see them through replays and ghosting. I've seen lieutenants and above shoot gat gun instantly, spray with an AK with no reload, kill people with out moving their melee weapon, and they all claim it's skill and tell others to stop QQ. This is by no means rare. I see it every other day when playing in UK4, and who knows how many I've missed. If the replays are submitted, Z8 may not notice the hack or dismiss it as a bug. The influential forumers here are probably mostly very skillful pros, and feel obligated to protect your own kind.
In addition, high ranking players will kick anyone who is a threat to their KDR. They will also kick anyone who killed them out of embarrassment. Happened to me. It would be way too difficult for Z8 to manage every single one of them. -
CaLL2DeAtH wrote: »
my response is simply that the following quote is that threads title:Suggestion threads to remove the kick vote in MM/HM/HMX & FFA
this threads suggestion was simply on the entire vote kick system, not those games specifically. Loop-hole ^^ -
I have no friends who play regularly. My clan is dead. I don't buy a lot of ZP. I'm still a Master Sergeant after about a year of playing. I'm a legit player. There are many players in Crossfire like me, and I'm advocating for them. I hope you take us into consideration.
Even playing with respected players is an option.
Say for instance it's a GM game and idk Judgesim or many many other players are host, I doubt he's gonna kick everyone that kills him because he has better standards and I don't think knowing him or havinghim added will make any difference.Many high ranking players do hack. They just hide it really well. I was only able to see them through replays and ghosting. I've seen lieutenants and above shoot gat gun instantly, spray with an AK with no reload, kill people with out moving their melee weapon, and they all claim it's skill and tell others to stop QQ. This is by no means rare. I see it every other day when playing in UK4, and who knows how many I've missed. If the replays are submitted, Z8 may not notice the hack or dismiss it as a bug. The influential forumers here are probably mostly very skillful pros, and feel obligated to protect your own kind.
Sure some do hack, many of those accounts are probably scammed but still the numbers are low and are out numbered by corporals 500-1.
And you do know you can spin the gattling in anticipation so you can fire it instantly when needed?In addition, high ranking players will kick anyone who is a threat to their KDR. They will also kick anyone who killed them out of embarrassment. Happened to me. It would be way too difficult for Z8 to manage every single one of them.
I've seen some high ranking players do this and even say "it's because you hack" and they really believe it so you are correct but these players are technically still noob and farmed their way up. I remember a few days ago killing a non moving ghost and this 1st LT swore I was hack (my team) openly kicked me then /w I was reported.
That type of thing is because he lacks experience of CF and only has EXP from farming. However I don't think it would be widespread and even less if you choose rooms wisely.
I mean I limit bein kicked by not joining rooms with clans on each side, BR/Turkish/Arab IGN's. -
I don't know many respected players. In fact I should say ANY, not MANY. Hehe.Even playing with respected players is an option.
Say for instance it's a GM game and idk Judgesim or many many other players are host, I doubt he's gonna kick everyone that kills him because he has better standards and I don't think knowing him or havinghim added will make any difference.
Maybe not 500 to one. And one of the reasons that is is a high ratio is because there are less LT+ player playing.Sure some do hack, many of those accounts are probably scammed but still the numbers are low and are out numbered by corporals 500-1.
And you do know you can spin the gattling in anticipation so you can fire it instantly when needed?
I do know, I do it my self if I pick up a gat gun in HM. What I meant was they would fire the gat gun instantly without the barrel turning.
Thank you recognizing that such players exist. We may differ in opinion on the number of them.I've seen some high ranking players do this and even say "it's because you hack" and they really believe it so you are correct but these players are technically still noob and farmed their way up. I remember a few days ago killing a non moving ghost and this 1st LT swore I was hack (my team) openly kicked me then /w I was reported.
That type of thing is because he lacks experience of CF and only has EXP from farming. However I don't think it would be widespread and even less if you choose rooms wisely.
I mean I limit bein kicked by not joining rooms with clans on each side, BR/Turkish/Arab IGN's.
I do not know how to chose rooms wisely. It's near impossible to tell who acts noobish in Alpha. -
To be honest I have no idea why people are worrying about 1 hacker abusing this proposed system. For 1 good reason.
1. X-Trap has been doing very very well, I have yet to see 1 hacker since I started playing cf again. (it's only been a few weeks, but I remember when there was a hacker in every other room back a while ago, and it was still more fun than getting kicked all the time.)
Q:So if there are no hackers, why do we have kick vote?
A:So sore losers can try to kick out legit players.
Q:How can we fix this?
A:We can use Tim's suggestion, people who trust that x-trap is doing just fine(like it is), and aren't paranoid about hackers can play in a room where ****ies don't kick players(kick vote is off). Those other people that are still paranoid about hackers, and still think x-crap (old term for x-trap when there were hackers in every other room) sucks can play in a room with kick vote and risk getting rage kicked. -
Q: If there are no hackers, why do we need a kick vote system?
A: First of all, we still have hackers. Second of all, there are reasons other than hacking that can get you kicked. Read the descriptions given when kick voting: hack, insulting, bug, idle, etc... And hey, so noobs who don't defuse the bomb can be kicked.
Q: How can we fix this?
A: We can't and we don't.
Damn, another logic-less person has joined us. -
Q: If there are no hackers, why do we need a kick vote system?
A: First of all, we still have hackers. Second of all, there are reasons other than hacking that can get you kicked. Read the descriptions given when kick voting: hack, insulting, bug, idle, etc... And hey, so noobs who don't defuse the bomb can be kicked.
Q: How can we fix this?
A: We can't and we don't.
Damn, another logic-less person has joined us.
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I honestly find the kick system to be fine. Sure, the occasional kick might ruin your day, but disabling the kick system or having a non-kickable host would only lead to more problems. Noobs wasting space, going 0-142241 wouldn't get kicked of they were host or the kicking in that room was disabled. Even now there are 2nd and 1st LTs out there that cry at everything that moves or kills them, flaming and insulting simply because they don't realize they don't know how to play. It's better to leave the system as it is, because giving them this power would only lead to abuse. -
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I honestly find the kick system to be fine. Sure, the occasional kick might ruin your day, but disabling the kick system or having a non-kickable host would only lead to more problems. Noobs wasting space, going 0-142241 wouldn't get kicked of they were host or the kicking in that room was disabled. Even now there are 2nd and 1st LTs out there that cry at everything that moves or kills them, flaming and insulting simply because they don't realize they don't know how to play. It's better to leave the system as it is, because giving them this power would only lead to abuse.
Were not talking bout the "occasional kick" though. Im talking bout at least 50% or more of ones game time being ruined by owning & doing overly good in comparison to the larger majority of the other players in the room, therefore they are rage or jealous kicked. Myself & many other players have experienced this first hand; constantly. Im not talking bout the average player who might get kicked less then 10-20% of the time. Even though that in itself, still sucks & Im still sure bothers & annoys & frustrates most of those people too.
And the problem here is.....what leads to threads like this being made to begin with is....there is already major abuse going on every single day on every single server on every single game in CF. Its called the VOTE KICK SYSTEM. It is not ok as it is. Not so much because the system itself is flawed, but because a significantly large % of people behind it using it are flawed, as are their reasons for kicking people that truly dont deserve it. Its almost a paradox. In a way the system itself is not flawed, but the people using it are, which in turn does kinda make the system flawed...except its not, etc, etc. Which is why I purpose to amend the current system with my idea. So those that are adversely affected by it, can at least see the light at the end of the tunnel & with enough effort & time, will have this saving grace to look forward to.
People wont change & likely the average player base here wont change. That is why I suggest the ability to become a Non Kickable Room Host, once the proper rank is earned. And to address the issues of any of these room hosts potentially abusing their privilege...
That is why I point out the most important fact that - MOST of these high ranked players DO NOT HACK. Therefore that will seldom be an issue. If you question this, go back & reread my previous posts on why this is so. The logic is sound & statistically & realistically undeniable. Just cuz you have seen some Second Lts or higher using hacks...or think you may have seen, does not speak for the vast majority of those high ranked players, for the irrefutable reasons Ive already pointed out.
For the rest of it, that is why I suggest a simple & quick voting system at the end of the game, that everyone can use to vote on the Non Kickable Room Hosts overall performance. Players can take 1 second to click on a green thumbs up icon for a good room host. And they can click on the red thumbs down icon for a bad host.
The exact stats would have to be balanced properly of course, with many different variables considered... But just off the top of my head, something like 70% red thumbs down icon averaged out over a weeks time or something, then the unkickable room hosts gets their privileges suspended for a week. Next occurrence is a month, then indefinitely. This would effectively weed out the excessive laggers, the loud mouth punks, the blockers from being Non Kickable Room Hosts. In short, the exact type of players that most people reading this would want to avoid playing with.
This would then leave the majority of the rest of the Non Kickable Room Hosts from that player pool base, on average, safe & reliable to play with. For those in between that arent, they will come & go; - (see the Room Host Vote system previously mentioned.) Players can either vote them with a red thumbs down after the game, and/or leave their room & find another one to play with. This cycle will continue in an infinite manner & mostly self supporting loop, thereby ensuring that a continuous majority of Non Kickable Room Hosts you play with will most likely be, non problematic...as long as that vote system is balanced properly.
For the rest of the previous posts. It can be summed up quite simply. Chimpzz, I thank you for your continued support & words of wisdom.
And for anyone that says they dont know any respectable players. Trust me, they are there & chances are you have played with them. They can be hard to spot sometimes amidst the crowd of noobs, but they are there. They are usually the quiet, reserved ones, with the higher ranks & the higher score. Or, they are the ones that are outgoing & social & all over the chat screen, but not unduly antagonistic or insulting towards others & are just having a fun time. If you want to find these people, look for them, conduct yourself in the same manner & likely you will find each other. That is how I have collected my list of friends & clan mates. And if you have friends & clan mates that are no longer active, find new ones. Its not too hard as long as you posses & exercise the same good qualities as the players you wish to play with. -
Read the first sentence and decided you typed too much. But its not like higher ranks don't hack. Sure they are less likely too, but they do sometimes. I've seen Major hackers on more than one occasion. And once I even saw a Colonel shooting through walls OHKing. Pretty sad.
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Alternatively, reduce the amount of kick vote attempts you can throw up from 2 to 1. If you try to kick someone 1 time and it fails, youre done. No more "hehhehheh ajajajajajjaajajaja next round i kika him again ajajajajajaajja f11 f11 f11 f11"
And make sure kicks are recorded per game.
So if Billy kicks someone 1-2 times then even if he leaves he cannot rejoin and kick again and remains limited.
Just like how if you get kicked from a room you cannot re-enter even if you relog. -
And make sure kicks are recorded per game.
So if Billy kicks someone 1-2 times then even if he leaves he cannot rejoin and kick again and remains limited.
Just like how if you get kicked from a room you cannot re-enter even if you relog.
Makes perfect sense. Seems so simple & logical, youd assume this would be a no brainer & a given & immediately implemented...
One would assume that anyway...
***cough cough***
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