VOTE KICK - Suggestion to implement Non-Kickable Room Host
My original idea consists of allowing only the very high ranked players ( Second Lieutenant or higher for example ) , the ability to be non kickable room hosts.
Number one, having a player with this high ranked account or higher is going to automatically deter 99% of those players from ever doing anything stupid or foolish, like hacking & glitching that would cause them to get suspended & eventually banned. A person with this high of a level player account isnt going to risk losing it using hacks & glitches, period...even if they werent an unkickable room host.
But especially a player with that privilege, would be under far more scrutiny from the other players who would be even more eager to quickly report them at the first sign of cheating...but again think about it...most people arent going to be stupid enough to lose their account being such a high level, so most players that join their room wouldnt even have to worry bout them cheating in the first place.
On to another foreseeable problem. Well what if that player is just being stupid & immature and not really doing anything that would result in a suspension or ban? Maybe theyre just being punks & not a player youd prefer to be stuck with? A.K.A., a bad room host. Very simple answer. Just like real life, you can normally pick & choose who you want to play with or hang out with. If you dont like said room host, then go find another unkickable room host to play with in his room. Or just go to a normal room where there isnt a room host with sufficient rank to be unkickable.
Bottom line here people, is again, just like real life, theres always gonna be idiots & punks & antagonistic little trolls you dont wanna deal with AND there is also going to be good, decent, down to earth, nice, cool people to play with too. And everyone else in between that you can still at least deal with & interact with & enjoy the game with.
Like I said, I been playing this game over 3 years now. I speak from personal in game experience & also from that of my real life experience. Yes Ive seen some rather idiotic & stupid players with a high level account, like second lieutenant or higher as Ive suggested. But Ive mainly observed that the majority of them are at least, decent people that just want to play fair & enjoy the game. And yes I have seen on very rare occasions, a high ranked player like that cheating or hacking or glitching...but it has been very seldom...chances are more likely that it was prolly someones account that got hacked or their friend or big brother at their house playing their account. In the end, I firmly believe this idea is completely feasible & realistic & will greatly help to solve a lot of the problems here with the current vote kick system.
And although not necessary, if you wanted to take this a step further, you could implement an end game vote screen that automatically pops up at the beginning of the last round, or even at the end game summary page where everyone else could vote on the room hosts overall performance & personal etiquette during the game. Something as simple as a thumbs up or a thumbs down. It would literally take about a second of a players time to click the correct corresponding icon. Then that record could be displayed as a permanent record viewable by other players at any time. This record would be accumulated & recorded into the players permanent account info from one game to the next, each time they were an unkickable room host. Basically would just help to keep less then scrupulous room hosts in check & let others know ahead of time if that room host if likely to be a good room host or not.
Another added benefit of all this would be just something cool for a low level player to strive for. Another added reason & motivation for a player to keep playing & advance his account. ( ;
There are some other good ideas out there that have been presented in the past but I think this one in itself is good enough & merits proper acknowledgment & consideration.
Any other thoughts or suggestions or possible flaws or even constructive criticisms, please post & lets continue to have a good constructive discussion on it & see where it might take us.
Number one, having a player with this high ranked account or higher is going to automatically deter 99% of those players from ever doing anything stupid or foolish, like hacking & glitching that would cause them to get suspended & eventually banned. A person with this high of a level player account isnt going to risk losing it using hacks & glitches, period...even if they werent an unkickable room host.
But especially a player with that privilege, would be under far more scrutiny from the other players who would be even more eager to quickly report them at the first sign of cheating...but again think about it...most people arent going to be stupid enough to lose their account being such a high level, so most players that join their room wouldnt even have to worry bout them cheating in the first place.
On to another foreseeable problem. Well what if that player is just being stupid & immature and not really doing anything that would result in a suspension or ban? Maybe theyre just being punks & not a player youd prefer to be stuck with? A.K.A., a bad room host. Very simple answer. Just like real life, you can normally pick & choose who you want to play with or hang out with. If you dont like said room host, then go find another unkickable room host to play with in his room. Or just go to a normal room where there isnt a room host with sufficient rank to be unkickable.
Bottom line here people, is again, just like real life, theres always gonna be idiots & punks & antagonistic little trolls you dont wanna deal with AND there is also going to be good, decent, down to earth, nice, cool people to play with too. And everyone else in between that you can still at least deal with & interact with & enjoy the game with.
Like I said, I been playing this game over 3 years now. I speak from personal in game experience & also from that of my real life experience. Yes Ive seen some rather idiotic & stupid players with a high level account, like second lieutenant or higher as Ive suggested. But Ive mainly observed that the majority of them are at least, decent people that just want to play fair & enjoy the game. And yes I have seen on very rare occasions, a high ranked player like that cheating or hacking or glitching...but it has been very seldom...chances are more likely that it was prolly someones account that got hacked or their friend or big brother at their house playing their account. In the end, I firmly believe this idea is completely feasible & realistic & will greatly help to solve a lot of the problems here with the current vote kick system.
And although not necessary, if you wanted to take this a step further, you could implement an end game vote screen that automatically pops up at the beginning of the last round, or even at the end game summary page where everyone else could vote on the room hosts overall performance & personal etiquette during the game. Something as simple as a thumbs up or a thumbs down. It would literally take about a second of a players time to click the correct corresponding icon. Then that record could be displayed as a permanent record viewable by other players at any time. This record would be accumulated & recorded into the players permanent account info from one game to the next, each time they were an unkickable room host. Basically would just help to keep less then scrupulous room hosts in check & let others know ahead of time if that room host if likely to be a good room host or not.
Another added benefit of all this would be just something cool for a low level player to strive for. Another added reason & motivation for a player to keep playing & advance his account. ( ;
There are some other good ideas out there that have been presented in the past but I think this one in itself is good enough & merits proper acknowledgment & consideration.
Any other thoughts or suggestions or possible flaws or even constructive criticisms, please post & lets continue to have a good constructive discussion on it & see where it might take us.
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Yeah, thanks for the link there. I was already aware of it. But just like all the other people posting on this issue, I dont care. What I do care about is the issue at hand. The reasons why so many people are posting on this issue to begin with.
Theres a huge problem here now that Vote Kick has been allowed on the other game modes. Those modes were the last sanctuary for the good, better & pro players to play without having to worry bout being unfairly kicked all the time. Now thats gone & understandably, its upsetting a lot of players.
Problem is, too many noobs abuse it & do not use it for the real & proper reasons it is supposed to be used & utilized. This is a solid stone cold hard fact. Ask any player with at least average to moderate to skilled to pro playing ability, whos been playing this game for even a short length of time. This is why so many people are posting bout it now.
No doubt, the Vote Kick was allowed due to the large majority of players voting for it. Along with the ongoing efforts of the CF staff to combat the hackers. But what is the end result? Too many noob players that play here that are unskilled & uninformed & ignorant. Also too many are childish & immature & petty & antagonistic & they get off using it to harass & get back at other players, in order to fulfill their own twisted selfish needs & desires.
These groups of players make up prolly about 4/5 of the people that voted for the Vote Kick to begin with......
Sure its good in some ways to have the option to vote kick. But the fact is, it is just faaar too often misused & abused & too many good legit players are suffering for it & arent able to enjoy the game as they used to cuz up to 50% of their game time is being ruined & negated, by being unjustly & unfairly kicked from the games that they were owning at. The added benefit of now being able to kick those hackers & laggers & glitchers & blockers in game, has come at too high of a price & its at the expense of any player thats good or even lucky enough to pull off a 3 kill combo. Or a dozen other bs reasons that players are getting unfairly kicked for, when they dont deserve it.
Thats why this suggestion is being made. To help compliment & add to & probably help alleviate the bs factor for some of the better & higher ranked players. -
Whoa, kudos to you for typing that.
When I saw the words "original ideas" this was me. ---> :rolleyes:
When I saw the words "high ranked" and "non kickable room hosts" this was me.
Then I realized, your idea is essentially combining two fairly well thought out ideas.
And I have to say, despite possible flaws, it's a fairly good idea that might be worth a shot. -
I think everyone in the game wants something done about it (save for hackers of course) but there have been many great ideas, including the ones you jsut posted, but its in the hands of z8 to come up with, hopefully, a fool proof system. Not gonna be easy... Legit players complain about being kicked so that would lead people to think the number of votes needed to be kicked should be bumped up but at the same time people complain that hackers never get enough votes to be kicked which shows the opposite...
What ever they do something tells me there is always someone who is not gonna be happy about how it is. -
GoPancakes wrote: »Whoa, kudos to you for typing that.
When I saw the words "original ideas" this was me. ---> :rolleyes:
When I saw the words "high ranked" and "non kickable room hosts" this was me.
Then I realized, your idea is essentially combining two fairly well thought out ideas.
And I have to say, despite possible flaws, it's a fairly good idea that might be worth a shot.
Lol. That was pretty funny. But thank you for your thoughts & support on that. And yeah, when people actually take the time to read & consider how both of those concepts come into play, it does seem like a fairly solid & good idea all around.Gh0st_Slay3r wrote: »What ever they do something tells me there is always someone who is not gonna be happy about how it is.
True, but I think this would be a very good step in the right direction, to still keep the Vote Kicks good qualities in place ( when its actually used fairly ) & at the same time give a lot of the good & legit players a fair break from getting unfairly kicked, simply cuz theyre too good or theyre dealing with immature little brats. -
It is a good idea, in fact anything to do with improving kick vote to stop kicks is.
This idea has two variables to decrease any problematic use of it and another could be added i.e a charge.
I'd pay $20 to stop getting kicked by noobs, then I would start playing regularly again. -
No, Im not saying remove kick vote for any servers. Do I wish MM & HM were left alone & Vote Kick wasnt added to them? Yes. But its been done, so for now, I think it best to focus on improving the current vote kick systems major flaw & itd be a lot simpler & easier to just consider my suggestion here to add Non Kickable Room Host option to compliment the existing Vote Kick system on all game modes.
Now whether that option in itself should be added to all servers...idk. I dont see why it shouldnt be added to all servers clear across the board, save for the Rookie Server & as long as the player meets the appropriate level requirement to be a Non Kickable Room Host. -
Those pros out there, could you please go easy on us noobs? Die once in a while so at least the noobs can feel like they are worth something.http://forum.z8games.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
I'm not the Aff kika racka kind of noob in case you're wondering.
The reason I think Z8 is not changing the kicking system is because it would be too difficult to manage. Also the none kickable people might abuse the power and do some nooby things that can't get them banned, like blocking in HM, team killing, insulting, lagging (sometimes used as a "bug"), or being idle. -
Those pros out there, could you please go easy on us noobs? Die once in a while so at least the noobs can feel like they are worth something.
I'm not the Aff kika racka kind of noob in case you're wondering.
The reason I think Z8 is not changing the kicking system is because it would be too difficult to mange. Also the none kickable people might abuse the power and do some nooby things that can't get them banned, like blocking in HM, team killing, insulting, lagging (sometimes used as a "bug"), or being idle.
Lol, just the fact that you were courteous with your post & the fact that you used the "P" word suggests youre prolly more mature then most the other noobs out there that arent & do misuse & abuse the vote kick system. That in itself makes me not even consider you a noob.
And as far as Non Kickable Room Hosts potentially abusing the system, Ive addressed that. I do believe most ( as in appx 70%+ ) of the Non Kickable Room Hosts you play with would be, at least, reasonable to play with & get along with & wouldnt do anything too annoying like blocking, glitching, undeserved insults, etc. Lagging isnt something I did think of to be honest. But I think that prob could still be fairly evened out as described below...
For the rest that do, thats where my other suggestions comes into play. A very simple end game vote for all the other players, that would literally take 1 second or less to click on a green thumbs up or a red thumbs down icon, for good or poor Room Host behavior & etiquette. This score would be tallied from game to game & kept visible for all other players to see, giving other players a pretty good idea if the the Non Kickable Room Host they were bout to play with is legit & fair to play with or not.
Players would vote positive or negative based on several factors. Was the Non Kickable Room Host fair & decent to everyone in game. Did they abuse their power by glitching, blocking, hacking, insulting or lagging? Also, a couple of these would result in some immediate game play reports & the room host would then be suspended or banned anyway. For the rest, yes there will always be punks, but thats what the end game vote would be for, to help keep them in check & give a heads up to everyone else before they even play with them.
So when you can see the Non Kickable Room Hosts record, if its bad youre gonna know to go elsewhere. And in all else, said player can just leave the Non Kickable Room Hosts room & find another to play with or just hook up with a regular hosts room at any time. -
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Also, another cool Idea I just thought of. There could also be a certain threshold tied in with the end game Non Kickable Room Host voting with an automated response. Say if a Non Kickable Room Host has 70% negative votes for a certain length of time straight ( 1 week for example ) then their Non Kickable Room Host privilege could be automatically put into a 1 weeks suspension status...or 1 month for the second occurrence, whatever. Could be taken as far as a perm ban of that privilege for consistent bad scores. This would especially encourage & help to keep Non Kickable Room Hosts in check & keep them on their best behavior consistently.
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Better yet, for this suggestion, the only people who can initiate a vote kick should be players who are 2nd Luitenant, or higher. More experienced players have a little bit more common sense than the lower ranked players (not much more though).
I COMPLETELY agree with that. I think thats an awesome idea; to have a minimum requirement rank to be allowed to even vote in the first place. Maybe not as high as second lieutenant though? But definitely the more experienced players do have more common sense on average & are usually a little more responsible & reasonable with their votes. Not always or not too much more like you said, but I do think that really would make a notable & decent difference for the better when it comes to our current Vote Kick system. -
I just thought of this:Bu11ish wrote:I also dislike being kicked so many damn times in game. The kick voting system needs some serious reform.
BUT... Lets think about this from a noob's point of view. The noobs are bad at the game and you are good. They think you are "bullying" them (I had that mentality for at least a month). They think that noobs should play with noobs and pro's should play with pros. From their perspective, it's only fair. They think if you are so pro, why are you farming kills off of defenseless beginners, why are you not playing other pros in pro servers? From to a certain extent semi-understandable rage, they kick you.
And also, saying "I DONT HAK YOU JUST SUCK" is not going to help you stay in the game.
May I remind all of us that we were all noobs once. -
I would love to see a change, but I trhink its unreasonable. I think the best way to combat hackers and minimise damage do players getting kicked is to have an in game report system. However, there are complications with that as it would lead to the flooding of reports to the GMs. Its a toughy, I'll tell you that.
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Guarantee you, you havent seen very many high ranked players, such as Second Lieutenant or higher for example, hacking. It just doesnt happen that often, & for good reasons. Im sure weve all seen the occasional high ranked account using hacks...but not enough to warrant discrediting my idea. Not talking Staff Sergeant rank, were talking Second Lieutenant or higher ranks...which is the main prerequisite for being able to be a Non Kickable Room Host to begin with.
And my suggestion has nothing to do with high ranked players kicking...if youre talking bout the other idea that was brought up bout the higher ranked players being the only ones able to use vote kick, trust me, thats a solid idea. Not saying as high as Second Leutenant...but somewhat of a high rank in order to kick would definitely help thin out the noobs abusing it...somewhat. -
I agree with Cooper. IF a h4cker occurs in the room, the responsibilty would be with the host. If this system gets implanted, then it shouldn't be known if kickvote is on or off. If you want to know if the room is with or without kickvote, you should /w the host of the room so you wont lose honor.
Now give me a medal. -
NanoCooper wrote: »
The idea shouldn't be a Non-Kickable host, because imagine he is a Hacker...
The solution should be :
Vote Kick : YES/NO
The Host chooses when he sets the room, to put the Vote Kick or not.
Would be best.
Then the nabs can have the game their way and others can still play in peace and safety. -
I have the feeling some people arent fully reading through my suggestion here...There would in fact be very few hackers that are also Non Kickable Room Hosts. And why is that? Cuz there would be a high rank requirement to be a Non Kickable Room Host in the first place.....Second Lieutenant or higher is just a thought. Reason I suggest that rank is it takes a loooooong time & loooooots of game play to acquire that rank.
Number 1 - most noobs that are gonna use their account to hack on that account, arent going to make it to that high rank to begin with.
Number 2 - most people arent stupid & careless enough to risk losing their high ranked account by using hacks when they do finally get their account to that high level.
Number 3 - these players would be under far more scrutiny then anyone else, not only cuz of their high rank, but especially if they have a cool privilege like being a Non Kickable Room Host.
Guarantee you, players would be far more quick to report any high ranked player that is being a Non Kickable Room Host & also using hacks.
Bottom line, anyone stupid or careless enough to use their high ranked account to hack, wont be doing so for long. Theyll get a suspension & if they keep it up, they will lose their account altogether. They know this, thats why MOST players with a high rank account like Second Lieutenant or higher wont use hacks to begin with.
But the bottom bottom line is, most players, as in 90-95%+ with a high ranked account, like Second Lieutenant or higher, wont be using hacks with their account. Yes there are some here & there but it is verrry far & few in between. You just dont see very many high ranked accounts using hacks for the very reasons Ive pointed out. So it would be something like for every 100 games you play, you might see 5 room host hackers...& even that is over compensating, but just for the sake of the argument...those are still good odds. Realistically, you might be lucky to see only 2-3 players hacking total, out of 100 different high ranked room hosts that youd play with...
On another note though, I do also like the idea of a room host being able to chose whether or not to allow vote kick in their room. I think also having a high rank requirement for that option would be important though. But I think thats a very good idea too. ( : -
I think people are seeing what you're saying, but disagreeing. You should have expected criticism, this this being a tough topic to talk about, as the vote kick system is perfectly fine as to what state it is in now.That's right, I don't agree with some details of his suggestion, that's why I have suggested some details.
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Nah, im perfectly fine with constructive criticism & even outright disagreement with the idea itself. But I want to see good reasons behind thinking its a bad idea. I just happen not to agree with the reasoning behind saying its not a good idea, cuz there may be a few out of every hundred players that would still hack. There just wouldnt be enough high ranked accounts that would abuse the Non Kickable Room Host privilege by hacking, to make it a bad idea.
Thats the whole reasoning behind having a high level account being the only ones able to have that ability. That will greatly deter anyone from using hacks to an almost non existent & non problematic level. I would safely wager no more then 2-3 people out of every 100 would be stupid enough to use hacks on a Second Lieutenant or higher account.
And yeah there will still be some punks & those that still play unfairly here and there & you wouldnt want to play with, but that too can be addressed with the simple Room Host Vote system I suggest. -
NanoCooper wrote: »That's right, I don't agree with some details of his suggestion, that's why I have suggested some details.
Yeah, & what you dont agree with is you believe hackers could abuse it. But like I say, there really wouldnt be very many Non Kickable Room Hosts hacking to really even matter or cause any probs. I honestly think its more then safe & fair to say, statistically, that 90-95% of the players at least, would not be using hacks on their Second Lieutenant or higher account. You just dont see that many high ranked accounts using hacks.
I do btw think your idea is a good one & solid. And if nothing else, Id be happy with your suggestion being implemented too, just would want some kind of high rank requirement in order to make rooms where one could decide whether to have vote kick or not, otherwise itd just be a chaotic mess out there in CF server land. ( :
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