Where has the respect gone?
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ShowNoHope wrote: »I stopped reading at 'respect'...
Oh alright, I didn't really stop until I saw the wall-o-text, but I wanted to.
Having a hard time deciphering if you are saying you read it or didn't read it. However, if all you regard it as is a "wall-o-text" when I have broken it into concise paragraphs with meaningful content and questions, then I don't honestly know what to tell you. It was meant to be read and actually thought about. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.You have earned my complete respect
Please don't disappoint me and keep up the good posts
I appreciate that. I do not intend on disappointing anyone. I'm trying to be a good example, however effective or ineffective that is at this point for this community. The day I can't be myself in an online community is the day I quit for good. I want others to help me and I'm hoping starting it will get others to do just that. -
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I don't expect to see the community of this game evolving tbh. I'm quite annoyed with all the people shouting 'QQ' all the time myself, they should just keep their mouths shut if they don't have anything better to say.
I do understand certain trolls tho, it's not only those who show disrespect that should change, it's also the people complaining when they get trolled that should think before they post rubbish on these forums (in a few cases ofcourse). -
I have read your rant and disbelieve that will happen. There have been plenty of people that I have met that are not the nicest bunch but there have been a few good-minded bunch in the unpopular servers.
I'd be grateful if this were to happen, but It'd take a very long time before that happens, It's as much as asking someone from the 1800s to be respectful towards African-Americans, but It's not impossible; It may happen, but aside from that factor of a majority of people becoming more mature, what about the new people that will come?
There's probably a person joining as we speak, but what are the chances that the person who is joining would be nice in an FPS game specifically? FPS games are very likely to cause rages upon others. -
MisterDerp wrote: »I have read your rant and disbelieve that will happen. There have been plenty of people that I have met that are not the nicest bunch but there have been a few good-minded bunch in the unpopular servers.
I'd be grateful if this were to happen, but It'd take a very long time before that happens, It's as much as asking someone from the 1800s to be respectful towards African-Americans, but It's not impossible; It may happen, but aside from that factor of a majority of people becoming more mature, what about the new people that will come?
There's probably a person joining as we speak, but what are the chances that the person who is joining would be nice in an FPS game specifically? FPS games are very likely to cause rages upon others.
So he wants us to respect the people that will NEVER respect us correct? I can't really have a stable conversation with a foreigner w/o being insulted tbh. -
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MisterDerp wrote: »There's probably a person joining as we speak, but what are the chances that the person who is joining would be nice in an FPS game specifically? FPS games are very likely to cause rages upon others.
This is why it's so important to have people who set a good example. What would cause a new person to be mean to someone in an FPS game? He/she sees EVERYONE else doing it so that person deducts that it doesn't matter. If people would actively encourage respect and such, then new people would see this and understand that there is a standard in this community.
This is again also just half the battle. The management must also convey that rules are rules. We both need to set the standard for other people, including new people to follow. Sitting around saying it won't happen leads others to believe the same thing. I'm trying to do the opposite and convey that it CAN be done. I'm hoping eventually people will start believing me
haha. Maybe then, other users will follow suit and try and set that standard on a daily basis. Then more users will follow those users setting the standard and so on.
The chain effect. It works both ways. -
You make fun of me that I'm black xD Doesn't that count? lmao.
No, it does not count :X.This is why it's so important to have people who set a good example. What would cause a new person to be mean to someone in an FPS game? He/she sees EVERYONE else doing it so that person deducts that it doesn't matter. If people would actively encourage respect and such, then new people would see this and understand that there is a standard in this community.
This is again also just half the battle. The management must also convey that rules are rules. We both need to set the standard for other people, including new people to follow. Sitting around saying it won't happen leads others to believe the same thing. I'm trying to do the opposite and convey that it CAN be done. I'm hoping eventually people will start believing me haha. Maybe then, other users will follow suit and try and set that standard on a daily basis. Then more users will follow those users setting the standard and so on.
The chain effect. It works both ways.
CF playerbase is kinda big so you would need a big amount of people willing to monitor games for bad behaviour and promoting good behaviour. You could pick a group of people that behave good on forums and let them play role models ingame, giving them certain powers. -
This is why it's so important to have people who set a good example. What would cause a new person to be mean to someone in an FPS game? He/she sees EVERYONE else doing it so that person deducts that it doesn't matter. If people would actively encourage respect and such, then new people would see this and understand that there is a standard in this community.
This is again also just half the battle. The management must also convey that rules are rules. We both need to set the standard for other people, including new people to follow. Sitting around saying it won't happen leads others to believe the same thing. I'm trying to do the opposite and convey that it CAN be done. I'm hoping eventually people will start believing me haha. Maybe then, other users will follow suit and try and set that standard on a daily basis. Then more users will follow those users setting the standard and so on.
The chain effect. It works both ways.
Not necesarrily cause you can't set an example if you're being kicked, or they literally have no fcking idea of what you are saying due to the fact they don't speak english... -
FPS are for people who want to shoot people in the face. Competitive FPS is for considerably macho people who want to shoot people in the face. CF's competitive community has lots of young teenagers. Teenagers are mostly immature. Add immaturity+bravado+competition and this is what you get.
It'll never change. Get used to ignoring it, or get used to raging. -
Start rant:
Whether in-game or in the forums I have noticed that there is a lack of common respect for users/teams. Yes I know, old news is so exciting. Obvious is obvious, etc. etc. etc. But for real, why is there such a disregard for SIMPLE respect of each other? I honestly don't want to hear the, "this game is full of 12-15 year old people, there is no respect". I think I have met plenty of you that can hold a decent amount of respect for other users and you're not all 18. Some people blame the current state of this community on a particular race of people and their troubles. Sure, everyone has their part in this community so they are just as much a part of it as we are.
However, everyone is accountable for their actions. Even a 12-15 year old can decipher the difference between blatant disrespect and common courtesy. I can cite examples from public games in Echo 8. Just sit back and watch the conversations that go on in those rooms every once in a while. "You're bad. Get off" "QQ noob you need to learn to play" "Stop whining you baby. Get good" "You're bad. No, you're bad. I'm the best" There are others that I do not wish to get into, but you all can relate to what can and has been said in such games.
Is this what it has come down to? Arguing amongst each other in public games over who's bad? Over who's better? Over who's smarter? Over who's team can beat another team? Over who can insult someone better than the other person? What happened to common courtesy? Common respect amongst fellow players? Public games used to be about fun and enjoying yourself. Don't get on to me about a race ruining public games. It's not about that.
The forums are just as disrespectful or worse than in-game. Some people just simply have a blatant disrespect for the rules. Don't cite excuses that the Moderators don't enforce the rules. A community should be able to use common sense to know what is right and what is obviously wrong. Moderators shouldn't have to be closing/deleting threads 5,6,7,8 times a day. That's our fault. Even some of you who aren't 12 years old go around spouting off who's bad and who's an idiot and who's this and who's that, causing flame wars and unhealthy arguments.
This community should be about positive growth. Positive doesn't mean insulting someone for suggesting an idea, no matter how good or bad the idea. Encourage them to try again. Positive doesn't mean arguing over POINTLESS debates that do nothing to help this community. Try starting a discussion thread that will lead to healthy discussion about improving this community or ideas that are realistic. Positive doesn't mean starting 100 threads about the problems with this game. Believe me, the management is well aware of the problems without 100 threads to tell them. I'm sure they got it the first time.
Sure, you may say I expect too much of this community. That I give the potential of this community too much credit. Fine. Flame me. Insult me. Call my thread pointless. You will simply prove my points here today. This community won't grow without our help. The GM's and Moderators can't do it by themselves. Sure they can do a big part through enforcement, interaction, etc. but they can't do it alone. Try looking at your own actions on a day-to-day basis. Some of you simply don't care and I suppose this won't apply to you then. All I'm asking is to take a step back and realize that this game is not all about who can't play well or who can. Sure, there is a competitive side of the game and competition is always healthy. But, there should be a certain amount of respect given to each other that will promote growth and take steps forward not backward.
Your sarcastic comments and negativity, if any, will have no effect on me. So feel free to have at it. Like I said before, you will only prove my points here today about the lack of common respect between users in this community.
End rant.
The above takes place in reality as well. -
Not necesarrily cause you can't set an example if you're being kicked, or they literally have no fcking idea of what you are saying due to the fact they don't speak english...
After those actions, you can set an example by not treating them in the same manner as they treat you. That's thinking along the lines of "an eye for an eye". Don't stoop to their level. That is setting an example in itself. Also, you can set a great example here on the forums. This is not just about a particular race as I stated before. We have just as many English-speaking players on these forums that need just as much of an example. -
After those actions, you can set an example by not treating them in the same manner as they treat you. That's thinking along the lines of "an eye for an eye". Don't stoop to their level. That is setting an example in itself. Also, you can set a great example here on the forums. This is not just about a particular race as I stated before. We have just as many English-speaking players on these forums that need just as much of an example.
I set an example everytime I say nothing for being kicked...But doesn't it get to the point where your little apprentice isn't getting the message? -
Liqweedate wrote: »CF playerbase is kinda big so you would need a big amount of people willing to monitor games for bad behaviour and promoting good behaviour. You could pick a group of people that behave good on forums and let them play role models ingame, giving them certain powers.
You mean like Mods? Hah, they get kicked more often for just being Mods, and because most every randy you meet thinks they're impersonators. Although I commend your enthusiasm, that idea will not work as it has not to date. -
You mean like Mods? Hah, they get kicked more often for just being Mods, and because most every randy you meet thinks they're impersonators. Although I commend your enthusiasm, that idea will not work as it has not to date.
I disagree. If you get enough people to do it, I think it can HELP. To my knowledge, I have not seen a large contingent of people trying to take on such an endeavor. -
I disagree. If you get enough people to do it, I think it can HELP. To my knowledge, I have not seen a large contingent of people trying to take on such an endeavor.
No not large, but the fact that there are only a handful of these people makes it an almost insurmountable task. Yes everyone can change the world if they try, but for a community that is this muleheadedly stubborn already it will be rather hard. If there were more of them then they would stand a chance. -
No not large, but the fact that there are only a handful of these people makes it an almost insurmountable task. Yes everyone can change the world if they try, but for a community that is this muleheadedly stubborn already it will be rather hard. If there were more of them then they would stand a chance.
Which is what I'm trying to do
Trying to get more that want to change it all. I'm not one to easily give up, trust me. Even for an online community on a free to play game. I have a pet peeve about giving up 
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Which is what I'm trying to do Trying to get more that want to change it all. I'm not one to easily give up, trust me. Even for an online community on a free to play game. I have a pet peeve about giving up
Maybe you should talk to those new GMs, they seem to like holding matches in rooms with people invited from the forums. If you can meet like minded people there it will take much less time to build up a respectable base of players. -
Maybe you should talk to those new GMs, they seem to like holding matches in rooms with people invited from the forums. If you can meet like minded people there it will take much less time to build up a respectable base of players.
Good idea. I will do that when I am able to. Thanks. I will continue to do my part here as well and look forward to the days where it all changes. I am the most patient person you'll ever meet
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Good idea. I will do that when I am able to. Thanks. I will continue to do my part here as well and look forward to the days where it all changes. I am the most patient person you'll ever meet
Good to know, you're going to need it. This community was, IMO, never good.
True story: First every game I played was Mexico TD, played against a kid named _Naruto_ and he threatened to ban me for using cheats. Very first game ever. This was when CF was fresh out of beta. So to all those who think the community used to be good can chew on that. -
Good to know, you're going to need it. This community was, IMO, never good.
True story: First every game I played was Mexico TD, played against a kid named _Naruto_ and he threatened to ban me for using cheats. Very first game ever. This was when CF was fresh out of beta. So to all those who think the community used to be good can chew on that.
I agree with everyone that there will always the ones who will never abide by the rules and will forever be immature in game and on the forums. But I think with enough support, there CAN be a larger group that doesn't have to be that way. Where rules are followed, respect is given, and there can be a part of this game that is regarded as respectable. Sure, I have wishful thinking. But it can become a reality if kept at it long enough and with enough support.
Change is hard for any community. Change can be bad and change can be good. But there needs to be some change. So I will keep at it until that is made a reality. -
I agree with everyone that there will always the ones who will never abide by the rules and will forever be immature in game and on the forums. But I think with enough support, there CAN be a larger group that doesn't have to be that way. Where rules are followed, respect is given, and there can be a part of this game that is regarded as respectable. Sure, I have wishful thinking. But it can become a reality if kept at it long enough and with enough support.
Change is hard for any community. Change can be bad and change can be good. But there needs to be some change. So I will keep at it until that is made a reality.
Half your rants should be stickied in my opinion. Keep at em.
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