Help in BM sura

[SpitTanker]

Originally Posted by butters285

A. For huduni:

1. "Minimum level for pvp is 87"? LOL, so a BM must wait like an year to experience pvp?
2. "Bloodrage is not useful in pvp, and use bloodrage only to lure mobs"? Absolutely wrong! The fact that it has the lowest cooldown (just like you said), makes bloodrage very useful in pvp.
3. "Entangle hits more than bloodrage". Absolutely wrong! I can't show it using my character, because I have no point in entangle and bloodrage is way G.
So, take a look:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/89730d67319923

http://www.imagebam.com/image/09276867319936

I would advise you to learn a bit more about BM sura


B. For SpitFire:

1. "Shadow bolt is useful in pvp only if you want to kill a guy that is using pots". So, in a regular duel, when opponents are not using pots, bolt is useless, having the biggest damage, and bloodrage is good because it has 7 cooldown?

2. "Math says bloodrage is better" - If a skill hits "x" damage and another skill hits "x+1" damage, then the second skill is better. This is math. Duration (like cooldown in this case) is not math. Math is strictly about values (damage in this case). And I wasn't arguing with what skill is better in pvp. When I said "there is no difference between bolt and blood", I meant that both skills have the same importance for a bm, in both pvp/pvm.

Well, let me correct myself, this guy have to choose between bloodrage and bolt, he can't get them both (for now).
So i didn't mean shadow is useless xD
I mean is less useful than bloodrage in pvp, and more useful in war with pots.
About math bloodrage does half damage (truly it's a bit more than half, but let's say it makes half damage) than shadow bolt.
You want math lol? Let's calculate how much damage you can do in 40 seconds.
This may be the duration of a regular duel, 40 seconds of fighting without using potions.
In first second he may hit shadow bolt or bloodrage, making 2x or x damage.
After 7 seconds he hit another time bloodrage, so damage for now is 2x and 2x.
14th second: he hit another time bloodrage, damage is 2x and 3x
21th second, again bloodrage: 2x and 4x.
24th second:he hit shadow bolt (also execution time it's a big handicap, but let's overfly on it), so now it's 4x and 3x.
28th second: another time bloodrage:4x and 4x.
35th second: again bloodrage, 4x and 5x.
I could really go ahead, but i won't.Just see that you make more damage with shadow bolt only in short duels.Consider also the execution time, that is really long for bloodrage, and consider that bloodrage isn't like half bolt, it's a bit more, then i'd say that bloodrage is better.
My bm sura had : rod,bloodrage, shadow bolt then aphotic shield.
So i don't really dislike bolt, i didn't say it's useless (or maybe i said it but in a spell mistake), i just said that bloodrage is better.And yeah, a serious bm sura should have them both, but like we know not everyone is serious

[AzureusNW]

Your math is correct, and again, I wasn't arguing math. But at lower levels like in this case, math can be disrupted by faint so at the 17th second the BM could not be alive to experience what exactly happens at the 17th second, right? That's why I think math has nothing to do with skills.


And of course, I'm glad we are serious BMs hihi

[SpitTanker]

All what i say: shadow is longer in execution so you have more chance to be fainted when you execute it.
Btw ppl are free to choose, and preferably choose only which one to train first, cause surely they are both good skills

[Crono86]

1 big mistake:

Entangle is the second most powerfull skill of a bm sura. If u just look at the skills at level 1 u make a mistake. Even Whirlwind at level 1 hits more then slash but at p slash hits 8k ww 5k.

Entangle grows a lot while leveled if shadow bolt is 8k entangle is 6000 or so.

And no need to argue among wich is better for pvp between bolt and bloodrage. Both are a must if u want pvp

[SpitTanker]

I didn't know this about entangle.
So looking at the 12 secs cooldown maybe this be a good choice.

[AzureusNW]

Originally Posted by Crono86

1 big mistake:

Entangle is the second most powerfull skill of a bm sura. If u just look at the skills at level 1 u make a mistake. Even Whirlwind at level 1 hits more then slash but at p slash hits 8k ww 5k.

Entangle grows a lot while leveled if shadow bolt is 8k entangle is 6000 or so.

And no need to argue among wich is better for pvp between bolt and bloodrage. Both are a must if u want pvp

Chrono, once again you interfere in a matter that you have no idea about. Entangle is a very good skill but it will never hit more than bloodrage, and I think that level 1 on both skills proove it. What exactly is the mistake? You are giving an example of whirlwind, which is an arahan skill, compared with slash, which is a partisan skill. So your example is kind of... dumb. So tell me, is there any particular reason for entangle to enhance the damage while leveling, and for bloodrage or bolt to lower the damage ? I was talking about the damage difference between 2 skills of a same class. Can you post a screen which shows that entangle P hits more than bloodrage P ON THE SAME MOB, AND WITH NO GEAR CHANGE FROM YOU?

And, you are saying that entangle is the 2nd powerful skill of a bm sura. what would be the first?

My post included some screens. Where are yours?



SpitFire, of course the higher cooldown, the higher chance to faint, that's why I never argued math hihi

[Crono86]

Chrono, once again you interfere in a matter that you have no idea about.

Is not interfering, is a public forum so i can post my opinion, expecially if u say a crap and i dont lol

I will try to explain better:

your dumb way of think is totally wrong, those 2 skills "grow up" in different way. Entangle gains more dmg then bloodrage leveling (leveling the skill not the char. At level 1 entangle dmg sux at g1 is 1,5 stronger then bloodrage G1)

The 1 most powerfull skill is ofc shadow bolt, entangle is the second then bloodrage dark fire and rod.

Your screen is just ridiculus, u posted this 2 skills at level 1 thinking that their grown will be the same but its not.

If u trow this 2 skills on mobs, entangle not only does hit lot more then bloodrage, but it will have also splash effect, damaging all the surrounding mobs.

The reason why i dont post screen is

a) i dont have a sura with both this 2 skills at p level
b) i am tired of posting screens to show ppls the truth, ask in game 1 sura that has this 2 skills at p like abyss, or ask 2 different sura of same level.
c) There is no h in my name, try to be less rude maybe u will learn something new who knows
d)with the example of ww i wanted to say that ww and slash are same as entangle and bloodrage. At level 1 ww hits like 140-159, slash hits 119-130 (just an example but slash hits less then ww at level 1). When u get this 2 skills at p, WW stops at 3000 or so while slush goes for 5500 or more. Following ur logic a warrior that wants the highest skill between the 2 class should go for ww lol

[AzureusNW]

"ww and slash are the same as entangle and bloodrage" - chrono, go get some sleep, whirlwind ans slash are skills from different classes of warriors. entangle and bloodrage belong to the same race of sura. you have absolutely no idea about what you are talking about. if you want someone who will be totally sure of your crap, please make a bm sura, and "LEVEL THE SKILLS " of a bm sura. make sure that you can capture in a screenshot the "different raising of skills" of entangle and bloodrage. why don't you post an entangle skill critical that hits more than a bloodrage AT THE SAME LEVEL? or a critical coming from entangle, which may be at some point close to a regular bolt hit?


chrono, go get the bone boy, play crossfire

[huduni]

Crono86, i have both these 2 skills is P. And you are rigth these 2 skills not grow up same way. I post all skills of BM Sura...

Here is the pics:

[Crono86]

ok butter since u dont want to understand i ll make u lil nuby

a friend of mine sent me 2 ss of this 2 skills at p from another server

p entangle

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1060/entangle.png

p bloodrage

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6893/bloodrage.png

Now dont feel urself like a fool even if u r. Learn to test things before talk

Thanks for the bone but i dont need it anwyay i left near it a pair of glasses use it and learn